DCOrange Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, noacls said: Got ya did not see upthread. What I'm saying is he is slow and cant jump. His speed score is literally one of the best in this WR class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, DCOrange said: His speed score is literally one of the best in this WR class. The 4.56 or the fake 4.43 that was reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, whorlnut said: It’s beyond hilarious how much people dislike Higgins. His numbers didn’t blow anyone away but they didn’t send up red flags either. His claim to fame is his play on the field and actually catching the ball. It really is. I think there is a hell of a lot of groupthink going on here. That said @thebandit27 doesn't much like Higgins either and I respect his view on prospects as much as anyone on the board. I don't see it like he does though. I think Higgins is a good prospect and I think he has a chance to be a very good NFL player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Production doesn't matter. Combine numbers do. Right. Probably why they drafted Zay Jones. All about that college production. Best indicator. Probably also why all those hawaii QBs that broke all those passing records had such epic careers in the NFL. All about that (((college))) production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, noacls said: Yeah, he's almost as fast as the Bills middle linebacker. ? Since when is 4.45 range run slow for a WR? 20 minutes ago, noacls said: Do some research, it's called google. Jerry Rice did not run a 4.73. Go look at his numbers when he played TOP programs. Got shut down for most part. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-hopkins?id=2540165 What’s your opinion of DeAndre Hopkins? Seems like he’s an Elite WR to me. RAN A 4.57 40 YARD DASH. But please keep telling us how Higgins is too slow who is significantly faster than one of the 2 best WRs in football. Maybe you’re blind and don’t think Hopkins is a good WR. So here’s another one... How do you feel about Micheal Thomas? RAN A 4.57 40 YARD DASH. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/michael-thomas?id=2555347 Anyone saying Higgins is slow or not fast enough, whose has significantly faster 40 time than the best WRs in football Hopkins and Thomas, should probably not evaluate WRs. If you don’t like Higgins for other reasons, fine, but he’s MORE than fast enough to be an Elite WR at the next level. Doesn’t mean he will be, it means SPEED IS NOT AN ISSUE for Higgins and everyone needs to move on to discussing something OTHER THAN “is he fast enough”. Edited March 14, 2020 by Alphadawg7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Right. Probably why they drafted Zay Jones. All about that college production. Best indicator. Probably also why all those hawaii QBs that broke all those passing records had such epic careers in the NFL. All about that (((college))) production. How many players who weren't productive in college, are productive in the NFL? Honest question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Since when is 4.43 slow for a WR? http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-hopkins?id=2540165 What’s your opinion of DeAndre Hopkins? Seems like he’s an Elite WR to me. RAN A 4.57 40 YARD DASH. But please keep telling us how Higgins is too slow who is significantly faster than one of the 2 best WRs in football. Maybe you’re blind and don’t think Hopkins is a good WR. So here’s another one... How do you feel about Micheal Thomas? RAN A 4.57 40 YARD DASH. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/michael-thomas?id=2555347 Anyone saying Higgins is slow or not fast enough, whose has significantly faster 40 time than the best WRs in football Hopkins and Thomas, should probably not evaluate WRs. If you don’t like Higgins for other reasons, fine, but he’s MORE than fast enough to be an Elite WR at the next level. Doesn’t mean he will be, it means SPEED IS NOT AN ISSUE for Higgins and everyone needs to move on to discussing something OTHER THAN “is he fast enough”. Because he did not run a 4.43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, noacls said: Because he did not run a 4.43 No he ran a 4.58. And the two examples of two of the best 3 or 4 receivers in the NFL that were quoted to you ran 4.57. Maybe that 0.01 is all the difference but I am sceptical. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, noacls said: The 4.56 or the fake 4.43 that was reported i will say, if Tee did run that fake 4.43 (which he didn’t) I’d be impressed. But he didn’t, he didn’t run on the same track that all the other guys did, and he still ran slow. dude people are just obsessed with getting a big guy, that’s all it is (remember the Duke Williams obsession?) Who cares if he can’t get open in the NFL? He can catch “jump balls!” As if building a modern NFL passing offense should be predicated on throwing into coverage and hoping big, slow Tee can out rebound the cornerback and the safety. Not quite how I saw KC do it, but let these guys have their fun. Edited March 14, 2020 by JoPoy88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: i will say, if Tee did run that fake 4.43 (which he didn’t) I’d be impressed. But he didn’t, he didn’t run on the same track that all the other guy did, and he still ran slow. dude people are just obsessed with getting a big guy, that’s all it is (remember the Duke Williams obsession?) Who cares if he can’t get open in the NFL? He can catch “jump balls!” As if building a modern NFL passing offense should be predicated on throwing into coverage and hoping big, slow Tee can out rebound the cornerback and the safety. Not quite how I saw KC do it, but let these guys have their fun. Great take JP. Higgins will not be physical mismatch in NFL. Also if 4.43 was legit he would not be there at 22 Edited March 14, 2020 by noacls 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Why are people convinced the 4.43 was fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: i will say, if Tee did run that fake 4.43 (which he didn’t) I’d be impressed. But he didn’t, he didn’t run on the same track that all the other guy did, and he still ran slow. dude people are just obsessed with getting a big guy, that’s all it is (remember the Duke Williams obsession?) Who cares if he can’t get open in the NFL? He can catch “jump balls!” As if building a modern NFL passing offense should be predicated on throwing into coverage and hoping big, slow Tee can out rebound the cornerback and the safety. Not quite how I saw KC do it, but let these guys have their fun. It has nothing to do with size for me. I hate the "we must get a big guy" thing. It has to do with me genuinely believing that when all things are considered he is the best of the 2nd tier wideouts in this class. I don't have a bias towards size guys or speed guys or anything else. Just take the best guy has always been my mantra when it comes to receivers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, arcane said: Why are people convinced the 4.43 was fake? Scouts and media people are saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, noacls said: Because he did not run a 4.43 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No he ran a 4.58. And the two examples of two of the best 3 or 4 receivers in the NFL that were quoted to you ran 4.57. Maybe that 0.01 is all the difference but I am sceptical. 5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: i will say, if Tee did run that fake 4.43 (which he didn’t) I’d be impressed. But he didn’t, he didn’t run on the same track that all the other guy did, and he still ran slow. dude people are just obsessed with getting a big guy, that’s all it is (remember the Duke Williams obsession?) Who cares if he can’t get open in the NFL? He can catch “jump balls!” As if building a modern NFL passing offense should be predicated on throwing into coverage and hoping big, slow Tee can out rebound the cornerback and the safety. Not quite how I saw KC do it, but let these guys have their fun. Was not aware the other time was dismissed or not confirmed or what not and amended my previous post, but the point still stands. I mean even his worst time he ran the same time essentially as the two best WRs in the NFL in Hopkins and Thomas. SPEED IS NOT AN ISSUE. Move on from speed concerns. Edited March 14, 2020 by Alphadawg7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Was not aware the other time was dismissed or not confirmed or what not and amended my previous post, but the point still stands. I mean even his worst time he ran the same time essentially as the two best WRs in the NFL in Hopkins and Thomas. SPEED IS NOT AN ISSUE. Move on from speed concerns. Hopkins and Thomas are good points to make. I just dont beleive Higgins has the physicality of those 2. Thomas also has Drew Brees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, noacls said: Hopkins and Thomas are good points to make. I just dont beleive Higgins has the physicality of those 2. Thomas also has Drew Brees Hopkins is not physical. He’s smooth. Thomas has definitely got some physical aspects of his game. But Higgins is great at high pointing himself. He’s made a lot of contested catches. All I’m saying is that people can criticize whatever they want about him, but it’s factually incorrect to say he’s not fast enough for the NFL. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, whorlnut said: It’s beyond hilarious how much people dislike Higgins. His numbers didn’t blow anyone away but they didn’t send up red flags either. His claim to fame is his play on the field and actually catching the ball. Agree, Catching the damn ball is first and foremost the #1 trait you look for in a receiver, (SM said this as well at the combine) With our teams drop rate the last two seasons one would think that would be everyone’s first concern with receiver acquisitions. Jmo. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Hopkins is not physical. He’s smooth. Thomas has definitely got some physical aspects of his game. But Higgins is great at high pointing himself. He’s made a lot of contested catches. All I’m saying is that people can criticize whatever they want about him, but it’s factually incorrect to say he’s not fast enough for the NFL. The element of Hopkins game that is elite more than anything else is his body positioning. His ability to get his body into a position where it makes it exceptionally hard for the defender to make a play without drawing a flag is incredible. Higgins isn't at that level yet but he has some similar qualities in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It has nothing to do with size for me. I hate the "we must get a big guy" thing. It has to do with me genuinely believing that when all things are considered he is the best of the 2nd tier wideouts in this class. I don't have a bias towards size guys or speed guys or anything else. Just take the best guy has always been my mantra when it comes to receivers. exactly. if people think higgins is going to be the best guy there whenever they pick then fine. I am sick of the jump ball, contested catch talk, as if that’s sustainable. How about just continue to get fast guys that can run great routes or even not-so-fast-but-smart guys that know how to get open? Sort of like the guys they’ve already brought in? Personally I don’t want Josh Allen of all people throwing into tight coverage; I don’t care if he’s throwing to a 7 foot tall tee higgins. I don’t have that kind of trust in him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The element of Hopkins game that is elite more than anything else is his body positioning. His ability to get his body into a position where it makes it exceptionally hard for the defender to make a play without drawing a flag is incredible. Higgins isn't at that level yet but he has some similar qualities in that regard. The thing that blows me away about Higgins is how his hands just seem to absorb the ball. It’s so smooth and effortless. With the velocity that Allen puts on the ball, I think this is a trait that could really stand out for Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The element of Hopkins game that is elite more than anything else is his body positioning. His ability to get his body into a position where it makes it exceptionally hard for the defender to make a play without drawing a flag is incredible. Higgins isn't at that level yet but he has some similar qualities in that regard. Totally agree, which is why I said he is smooth. He’s excellent route runner and using body position rather than physicality. Higgins reminds me of Hopkins and think that’s who he best compares to at the next level in terms of type/style of play. Of course doesn’t mean he will be as good as Hopkins, just saying when people look for a top NFL comparison, it’s who he reminds me of. Honestly do not understand the hate for Higgins. Truthfully, of all the guys expected to go in first 2 rounds, there isn’t a WR the Bills could take in that range where I’d be upset. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: exactly. if people think higgins is going to be the best guy there whenever they pick then fine. I am sick of the jump ball, contested catch talk, as if that’s sustainable. How about just continue to get fast guys that can run great routes or even not-so-fast-but-smart guys that know how to get open? Sort of like the guys they’ve already brought in? Personally I don’t want Josh Allen of all people throwing into tight coverage; I don’t care if he’s throwing to a 7 foot tall tee higgins. I don’t have that kind of trust in him yet. I don't think Higgins will be the best guy there at #22. But he is likely to be the best receiver there in my view. It is why I favour a trade up if one of the top 3 falls into that 15 or 16 range and wouldn't hate a small trade back from #22 if that is not possible and they are determined to go receiver at that pick. I equally won't be an angry table pounder if they stay at #22 and take a defensive player if that guy is in the BPA discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Higgins will be the best guy there at #22. But he is likely to be the best receiver there in my view. It is why I favour a trade up if one of the top 3 falls into that 15 or 16 range and wouldn't hate a small trade back from #22 if that is not possible and they are determined to go receiver at that pick. I equally won't be an angry table pounder if they stay at #22 and take a defensive player if that guy is in the BPA discussion. ...GB, is there any validity to the original thread about him choosing not to participate because "he was tired"?......if so, why when he is faced with being on the biggest financial stage in his life?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Higgins will be the best guy there at #22. But he is likely to be the best receiver there in my view. It is why I favour a trade up if one of the top 3 falls into that 15 or 16 range and wouldn't hate a small trade back from #22 if that is not possible and they are determined to go receiver at that pick. I equally won't be an angry table pounder if they stay at #22 and take a defensive player if that guy is in the BPA discussion. yes if jeudy and ruggs are gone (most likely) and they dont want to take an edge or OT there at 22 i’d much rather trade back and get another pick and reagor or mims (or even higgins! if they trade way back) as opposed to taking higgins flat at 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...GB, is there any validity to the original thread about him choosing not to participate because "he was tired"?......if so, why when he is faced with being on the biggest financial stage in his life?..... I don't have any concerns about him not running at the combine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Higgins stats per game when quality of player picks up in playoffs: 4 games 3.5 catches per game 55.65 yards per game .5 TD per game Yeah production, those stats scream stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...GB, is there any validity to the original thread about him choosing not to participate because "he was tired"?......if so, why when he is faced with being on the biggest financial stage in his life?..... Not answering for Gunner, just want to throw in that I also heard he didn’t do the combine because of “the long clemson season.” Sounds like tired to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't have any concerns about him not running at the combine. ...but the "tired" alleged quote sure as hell generated plenty of "no thanks...he's soft" responses here....... 4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Not answering for Gunner, just want to throw in that I also heard he didn’t do the combine because of “the long clemson season.” Sounds like tired to me. ....if, IF so, that's a Plexico Burris "shoot yourself in the foot" gem when on the potential stage to earn MILLIONS............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Hopkins is not physical. He’s smooth. Thomas has definitely got some physical aspects of his game. But Higgins is great at high pointing himself. He’s made a lot of contested catches. All I’m saying is that people can criticize whatever they want about him, but it’s factually incorrect to say he’s not fast enough for the NFL. Thomas became much more physical in the nfl than he was in college. Guess who? Weaknesses Struggles with footwork out of press release spending excessive time trying to fake and shake cornerbacks. Still figuring out this whole "route running" thing. Needs to improve playing through contact and adjusting routes appropriately. Still thinking rather than just playing. Will have to work back to the throw more often on NFL level. Won't win over quarterbacks with inability to rescue the off-target throws. Plays with passive field demeanor against aggressive cornerbacks. Won't go looking for work as run blocker if he doesn't have to. Doesn't appear to offer special teams value. 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...GB, is there any validity to the original thread about him choosing not to participate because "he was tired"?......if so, why when he is faced with being on the biggest financial stage in his life?..... Maybe that wasn’t his priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Thomas became much more physical in the nfl than he was in college. Guess who? Weaknesses Struggles with footwork out of press release spending excessive time trying to fake and shake cornerbacks. Still figuring out this whole "route running" thing. Needs to improve playing through contact and adjusting routes appropriately. Still thinking rather than just playing. Will have to work back to the throw more often on NFL level. Won't win over quarterbacks with inability to rescue the off-target throws. Plays with passive field demeanor against aggressive cornerbacks. Won't go looking for work as run blocker if he doesn't have to. Doesn't appear to offer special teams value. Maybe that wasn’t his priority. ....good point bud....money "isn't the ONLY thing"............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Higgins will be the best guy there at #22. But he is likely to be the best receiver there in my view. It is why I favour a trade up if one of the top 3 falls into that 15 or 16 range and wouldn't hate a small trade back from #22 if that is not possible and they are determined to go receiver at that pick. I equally won't be an angry table pounder if they stay at #22 and take a defensive player if that guy is in the BPA discussion. This is my exact stance too. I think Beane is hitting phones hard if Lamb of Juedy hits Falcons pick. And in a copy cat league where Tyreek Hill is an elite player on current SB winning team, I think it’s quite possible Ruggs is one of the first 2 WRs taken. And if so there is a reasonable possibility that one of Lamb or Juedy could reach Falcons pick at 16 in that case. I can’t see all 3 top 3 WRs coming off the board in first 15 picks. It’s possible, but I don’t think very likely as I expect some of the tackles and over reaching on QBs to help push at least one to 16. But even so, I would expect some competition for that pick or one in that range to go get the WR still there. Like Eagles for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, noacls said: The 4.56 or the fake 4.43 that was reported The 4.54 was the official time according to Clemson which places him like 6th in this draft class in terms of speed score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is my exact stance too. I think Beane is hitting phones hard if Lamb of Juedy hits Falcons pick. And in a copy cat league where Tyreek Hill is an elite player on current SB winning team, I think it’s quite possible Ruggs is one of the first 2 WRs taken. And if so there is a reasonable possibility that one of Lamb or Juedy could reach Falcons pick at 16 in that case. I can’t see all 3 top 3 WRs coming off the board in first 15 picks. It’s possible, but I don’t think very likely as I expect some of the tackles and over reaching on QBs to help push at least one to 16. But even so, I would expect some competition for that pick or one in that range to go get the WR still there. Like Eagles for instance. I fear that all 3 will be gone by the Falcons. I think 3 QBs, 4 OTs, 3 WRs, 2 DTs, 1 EDGE, 1 Linebacker and 1 corner is my prediction for the first 15 picks. If one of those falls I think it will either be one of the DTs or one of the OTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Im not a fan of Higgins. Im not a scout though. Height, weight, speed there are better prospects imo. Route running there are better prospects. In terms of production there are more prolific wrs. I dont see him as a day 1 player, but him paired with another wr isnt a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, DCOrange said: The 4.54 was the official time according to Clemson which places him like 6th in this draft class in terms of speed score. Sixth? Rk Year Player Pos Age AV School College Height Wt 40YD▲ Vertical BenchReps Broad Jump 3Cone Shuttle Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 1 2020 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama College Stats 5-11 188 4.27 42.0 131 2 2020 Quez Watkins WR Southern Miss College Stats 6-0 185 4.35 36.5 125 7.28 4.36 3 2020 Denzel Mims WR Baylor College Stats 6-3 207 4.38 38.5 16 131 6.66 4.43 4 2020 Darnell Mooney WR Tulane College Stats 5-10 176 4.38 37.0 9 124 5 2020 Devin Duvernay WR Texas College Stats 5-10 200 4.39 35.5 123 7.13 4.20 6 2020 Antonio Gibson WR Memphis College Stats 6-0 228 4.39 35.0 16 118 7 2020 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame College Stats 6-4 238 4.42 40.5 19 126 8 2020 John Hightower WR Boise St. College Stats 6-1 189 4.43 38.5 122 7.07 4.21 9 2020 Justin Jefferson WR LSU College Stats 6-1 202 4.43 37.5 126 10 2020 Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island 6-2 198 4.45 36.0 121 7.28 4.62 11 2020 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama College Stats 6-1 193 4.45 35.0 120 4.53 12 2020 Jeff Thomas WR Miami College Stats 5-9 170 4.45 36.5 125 13 2020 Tyrie Cleveland WR Florida College Stats 6-2 209 4.46 39.5 13 126 14 2020 Freddie Swain WR Florida College Stats 6-0 197 4.46 36.5 16 124 7.05 4.26 15 2020 Stephen Guidry WR Mississippi St. College Stats 6-3 201 4.47 34.0 125 7.31 4.46 16 2020 Jalen Reagor WR TCU College Stats 5-11 206 4.47 42.0 17 138 7.31 4.46 17 2020 Joe Reed WR Virginia College Stats 6-0 224 4.47 38.0 21 123 18 2020 K.J. Osborn WR Miami College Stats 5-11 203 4.48 37.5 18 123 7.00 4.35 19 2020 Dezmon Patmon WR Washington St. College Stats 6-4 225 4.48 36.0 15 132 7.28 4.38 20 2020 Donovan Peoples-Jones WR Michigan College Stats 6-2 212 4.48 44.5 139 21 2020 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State College Stats 6-0 205 4.50 40.0 11 128 22 2020 Trishton Jackson WR Syracuse College Stats 6-1 197 4.50 36.0 117 23 2020 CeeDee Lamb WR Oklahoma College Stats 6-2 198 4.50 34.5 11 124 24 2020 Kendrick Rogers WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-4 208 4.51 35.5 17 124 7.13 4.48 25 2020 Michael Pittman WR USC College Stats 6-4 223 4.52 36.5 13 121 6.96 4.14 26 2020 Gabriel Davis WR UCF College Stats 6-2 216 4.54 35.0 14 124 7.08 4.59 27 2020 Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-1 201 4.54 35.5 28 2020 Marquez Callaway WR Tennessee College Stats 6-1 205 4.55 38.0 126 29 2020 Aaron Parker WR Rhode Island 6-2 209 4.57 26.5 12 112 6.94 4.23 30 2020 Chris Finke WR Notre Dame College Stats 5-9 186 4.57 40.0 7 31 2020 Kalija Lipscomb WR Vanderbilt College Stats 6-0 207 4.57 32.0 16 127 32 2020 Juwan Johnson WR Oregon College Stats 6-4 230 4.58 33.0 14 124 6.94 4.37 33 2020 Laviska Shenault Jr. WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 227 4.58 17 34 2020 Aaron Fuller WR Washington College Stats 5-11 188 4.59 34.0 118 7.14 35 2020 Austin Mack WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-1 208 4.59 31.5 117 4.42 36 2020 Ben Victor WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-4 198 4.60 35.0 9 128 7.10 37 2020 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty College Stats 6-4 223 4.60 36.0 22 127 7.33 4.55 38 2020 K.J. Hill WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-0 196 4.60 32.5 17 114 39 2020 Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon St. College Stats 6-4 210 4.61 36.5 9 124 7.01 4.12 40 2020 Omar Bayless WR Arkansas State College Stats 6-1 212 4.62 36.0 11 123 7.35 4.50 41 2020 Malcolm Perry WR Navy College Stats 5-9 186 4.63 36.0 10 122 7.12 4.31 42 2020 Tony Brown WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 198 4.65 33.5 14 119 7.21 4.27 43 2020 Cody White WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-3 217 4.66 35.5 120 7.19 4.52 44 2020 Jauan Jennings WR Tennessee College Stats 6-3 215 4.72 29.0 119 45 2020 Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin College Stats 6-1 202 4.73 38.5 23 124 7.20 4.33 46 2020 Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky College Stats 5-11 204 13 47 2020 Lawrence Cager WR Georgia College Stats 6-5 220 48 2020 Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina College Stats 6-3 212 49 2020 KJ Hamler WR Penn St. College Stats 5-9 178 15 50 2020 Tee Higgins WR Clemson College Stats 6-4 216 51 2020 Van Jefferson WR Florida College Stats 6-1 200 52 2020 Collin Johnson WR Texas College Stats 6-6 222 17 53 2020 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota College Stats 6-1 206 54 2020 James Proche WR SMU College Stats 5-11 201 34.5 20 7.27 4.40 55 2020 Darrell Stewart WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-0 212 35.0 15 117 If you utilize material unique to a Sports Reference site for a tweet, an article, or for research for a broadcast or podcast, please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lurker said: Sixth? Rk Year Player Pos Age AV School College Height Wt 40YD▲ Vertical BenchReps Broad Jump 3Cone Shuttle Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 1 2020 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama College Stats 5-11 188 4.27 42.0 131 2 2020 Quez Watkins WR Southern Miss College Stats 6-0 185 4.35 36.5 125 7.28 4.36 3 2020 Denzel Mims WR Baylor College Stats 6-3 207 4.38 38.5 16 131 6.66 4.43 4 2020 Darnell Mooney WR Tulane College Stats 5-10 176 4.38 37.0 9 124 5 2020 Devin Duvernay WR Texas College Stats 5-10 200 4.39 35.5 123 7.13 4.20 6 2020 Antonio Gibson WR Memphis College Stats 6-0 228 4.39 35.0 16 118 7 2020 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame College Stats 6-4 238 4.42 40.5 19 126 8 2020 John Hightower WR Boise St. College Stats 6-1 189 4.43 38.5 122 7.07 4.21 9 2020 Justin Jefferson WR LSU College Stats 6-1 202 4.43 37.5 126 10 2020 Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island 6-2 198 4.45 36.0 121 7.28 4.62 11 2020 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama College Stats 6-1 193 4.45 35.0 120 4.53 12 2020 Jeff Thomas WR Miami College Stats 5-9 170 4.45 36.5 125 13 2020 Tyrie Cleveland WR Florida College Stats 6-2 209 4.46 39.5 13 126 14 2020 Freddie Swain WR Florida College Stats 6-0 197 4.46 36.5 16 124 7.05 4.26 15 2020 Stephen Guidry WR Mississippi St. College Stats 6-3 201 4.47 34.0 125 7.31 4.46 16 2020 Jalen Reagor WR TCU College Stats 5-11 206 4.47 42.0 17 138 7.31 4.46 17 2020 Joe Reed WR Virginia College Stats 6-0 224 4.47 38.0 21 123 18 2020 K.J. Osborn WR Miami College Stats 5-11 203 4.48 37.5 18 123 7.00 4.35 19 2020 Dezmon Patmon WR Washington St. College Stats 6-4 225 4.48 36.0 15 132 7.28 4.38 20 2020 Donovan Peoples-Jones WR Michigan College Stats 6-2 212 4.48 44.5 139 21 2020 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State College Stats 6-0 205 4.50 40.0 11 128 22 2020 Trishton Jackson WR Syracuse College Stats 6-1 197 4.50 36.0 117 23 2020 CeeDee Lamb WR Oklahoma College Stats 6-2 198 4.50 34.5 11 124 24 2020 Kendrick Rogers WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-4 208 4.51 35.5 17 124 7.13 4.48 25 2020 Michael Pittman WR USC College Stats 6-4 223 4.52 36.5 13 121 6.96 4.14 26 2020 Gabriel Davis WR UCF College Stats 6-2 216 4.54 35.0 14 124 7.08 4.59 27 2020 Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-1 201 4.54 35.5 28 2020 Marquez Callaway WR Tennessee College Stats 6-1 205 4.55 38.0 126 29 2020 Aaron Parker WR Rhode Island 6-2 209 4.57 26.5 12 112 6.94 4.23 30 2020 Chris Finke WR Notre Dame College Stats 5-9 186 4.57 40.0 7 31 2020 Kalija Lipscomb WR Vanderbilt College Stats 6-0 207 4.57 32.0 16 127 32 2020 Juwan Johnson WR Oregon College Stats 6-4 230 4.58 33.0 14 124 6.94 4.37 33 2020 Laviska Shenault Jr. WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 227 4.58 17 34 2020 Aaron Fuller WR Washington College Stats 5-11 188 4.59 34.0 118 7.14 35 2020 Austin Mack WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-1 208 4.59 31.5 117 4.42 36 2020 Ben Victor WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-4 198 4.60 35.0 9 128 7.10 37 2020 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty College Stats 6-4 223 4.60 36.0 22 127 7.33 4.55 38 2020 K.J. Hill WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-0 196 4.60 32.5 17 114 39 2020 Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon St. College Stats 6-4 210 4.61 36.5 9 124 7.01 4.12 40 2020 Omar Bayless WR Arkansas State College Stats 6-1 212 4.62 36.0 11 123 7.35 4.50 41 2020 Malcolm Perry WR Navy College Stats 5-9 186 4.63 36.0 10 122 7.12 4.31 42 2020 Tony Brown WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 198 4.65 33.5 14 119 7.21 4.27 43 2020 Cody White WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-3 217 4.66 35.5 120 7.19 4.52 44 2020 Jauan Jennings WR Tennessee College Stats 6-3 215 4.72 29.0 119 45 2020 Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin College Stats 6-1 202 4.73 38.5 23 124 7.20 4.33 46 2020 Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky College Stats 5-11 204 13 47 2020 Lawrence Cager WR Georgia College Stats 6-5 220 48 2020 Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina College Stats 6-3 212 49 2020 KJ Hamler WR Penn St. College Stats 5-9 178 15 50 2020 Tee Higgins WR Clemson College Stats 6-4 216 51 2020 Van Jefferson WR Florida College Stats 6-1 200 52 2020 Collin Johnson WR Texas College Stats 6-6 222 17 53 2020 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota College Stats 6-1 206 54 2020 James Proche WR SMU College Stats 5-11 201 34.5 20 7.27 4.40 55 2020 Darrell Stewart WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-0 212 35.0 15 117 If you utilize material unique to a Sports Reference site for a tweet, an article, or for research for a broadcast or podcast, please Yes, speed score is adjusted for height and weight. He’s somewhere around a 106 which places him behind Claypool, Mims, Ruggs, Pittman, and Peoples-Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Yes, speed score is adjusted for height and weight. He’s somewhere around a 106 which places him behind Claypool, Mims, Ruggs, Pittman, and Peoples-Jones Can you post the speed score list? Asking for a friend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: exactly. if people think higgins is going to be the best guy there whenever they pick then fine. I am sick of the jump ball, contested catch talk, as if that’s sustainable. How about just continue to get fast guys that can run great routes or even not-so-fast-but-smart guys that know how to get open? Sort of like the guys they’ve already brought in? Personally I don’t want Josh Allen of all people throwing into tight coverage; I don’t care if he’s throwing to a 7 foot tall tee higgins. I don’t have that kind of trust in him yet. If you look at Josh and all the receivers highlights there are many passes into tight coverage throughout the season, so I think that is not so much the problem. You are correct on getting the “right guy”, my attitude is to get the best pass catchers, they usually are proficient at getting open, and are fast enough, otherwise they would not be the best pass catchers..., jmo. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Lurker said: Can you post the speed score list? Asking for a friend... See the third tab here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EGcKt-3OhHND7shQmY9LREGwBxtnUcFwQtQDz2U-3tk Higgins’ speed score isn’t listed because PlayerProfiler.com (who calculates the speed score) doesn’t use pro day numbers and the formula I’ve found for it isn’t exactly correct, but it’s close enough to know Higgins would be somewhere around a 106 give or take a point. Edited March 14, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Not sure where to put this but thought it was pretty crazy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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