MMQB: Bills spent considerable time with top WRs including Jeudy and Lamb

[BillsFan17]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Of course anyone can bust. But the chances of one of those top 3 busting is significantly less than the chance of one of the next clump of 7 or 8 2nd round types busting. That is kind of the point. You would be paying with assets to reduce the bust risk. 

I've pointed out a handful of draft classes now, including the most recent one where more than a handful of players selected after the consensus top prospects played extremely well.

 

Before the start of this season only 20 rookie WRs since 1950 have put up over 1,000 yards in their rookie campaigns. Yet, this past year the only WR to do it was a second rounder, and the only others close were fellow second rounders Deebo/DK, third rounder McLaurin, and to a lesser extent Slayton. Hollywood Brown and Harry where nowhere even close. Yet they were the first round picks. The better of the prospects.

 

What kind of season/production/abilities would Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs have to show that would truly separate them from the potential contributions of guys like say Aiyuk, Mims, Peoples-Jones, Pittman Jr... where you can argue the value made the juice worth the squeeze...

 

Again armed with the knowledge that in recent years we have seen second, third, fourth round WRs be productive.

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

[Jerboski]

I trust Beane regardless if he goes up for one of these guys, he has earned it 

[Buffalo Junction]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have watched the full game tape. I am not as forgiving as you are. I think it is a legit concern and I am not willing to wave it away and say "ah he was fed up with bad Quarterbacking." 

 

Catch the damn ball.

I’m not forgiving. There were a few moments when he gets a shoulder bump from teammates after a drop.... It’s concerning. Particularly when you combine it with his apathetic blocking.... makes you wonder if he “gave up” on some plays and was surprised when the ball did show up on time and accurately. 
 

Despite the physical talent he has a much lower floor than the top three guys. There’s a reason - or two post 40 - he’s not in that discussion. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

I've pointed out a handful of draft classes now, including the most recent one where more than a handful of players selected after the consensus top prospects played extremely well.

 

Before the start of this season only 20 rookie WRs since 1950 have put up over 1,000 yards in their rookie campaigns. Yet, this past year the only WR to do it was a second rounder, and the only others close were fellow second rounders Deebo/DK, third rounder McLaurin, and to a lesser extent Slayton. Hollywood Brown and Harry where nowhere even close. Yet they were the first round picks. The better of the prospects.

 

What kind of season/production/abilities would Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs have to show that would truly separate them from the potential contributions of guys like say Aiyuk, Mims, Peoples-Jones, Pittman Jr... where you can argue the value made before juice worth the squeeze...

 

Again armed with the knowledge that in recent years we have seen second, third, fourth round WRs be productive.

 

AJ Brown and DK Metcalf were the top two receivers on my board last year. I am not having them cast as longshots. The whole point is last year's was a muddled class where different people I spoke to or listened to had as many as 6 different receivers top of their boards. And they were all grouped together. That is like the Higgins, Shenault, Aiyuk, Reagor, Jefferson etc group this year. If those were the best guys in the class views would be all over the map as to how they would rank and taking one a round earlier than the other would be no guarantee. 

 

This is not that class. Everyone you speak to and listen to this year agrees there are 3 guys that are clearly ahead of everyone else. It is not equal chance of those guys being good as it is the 2nd round guys. If you spend extra capital but get Jeudy or Lamb or Ruggs you have a significantly better chance of finding a #1 guy. They are not N'Keal Harry and Hollywood Brown. That is Higgins and Hamler. 

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Of course anyone can bust. But the chances of one of those top 3 busting is significantly less than the chance of one of the next clump of 7 or 8 2nd round types busting. That is kind of the point. You would be paying with assets to reduce the bust risk. 

I don’t think the stats show it’s significantly less.  I would love to get Lamb or Juedy, but also not wanting to pay a huge bounty either given the richness of this draft.  After the top 3 guys are taken, there are guys who will go at 22 to well into the second that would be in consideration for first WR off the board in other drafts and certainly be first rounders.  

 

Im all for a trade up if it’s not too expensive because the one they covet fell to say mid teens or later.  But a Steelers like move of three premium picks to get up to near 10 or something is too much to pay given the immense talent at WR in this draft.

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

AJ Brown and DK Metcalf were the top two receivers on my board last year. I am not having them cast as longshots. The whole point is last year's was a muddled class where different people I spoke to or listened to had as many as 6 different receivers top of their boards. And they were all grouped together. That is like the Higgins, Shenault, Aiyuk, Reagor, Jefferson etc group this year. If those were the best guys in the class views would be all over the map as to how they would rank and taking one a round earlier than the other would be no guarantee. 

 

This is not that class. Everyone you speak to and listen to this year agrees there are 3 guys that are clearly ahead of everyone else. It is not equal chance of those guys being good as it is the 2nd round guys. If you spend extra capital but get Jeudy or Lamb or Ruggs you have a significantly better chance of finding a #1 guy. They are not N'Keal Harry and Hollywood Brown. That is Higgins and Hamler. 

 

 

Amen brother.

 

 

[BillsFan17]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

AJ Brown and DK Metcalf were the top two receivers on my board last year. I am not having them cast as longshots. The whole point is last year's was a muddled class where different people I spoke to or listened to had as many as 6 different receivers top of their boards. And they were all grouped together. That is like the Higgins, Shenault, Aiyuk, Reagor, Jefferson etc group this year. If those were the best guys in the class views would be all over the map as to how they would rank and taking one a round earlier than the other would be no guarantee. 

 

This is not that class. Everyone you speak to and listen to this year agrees there are 3 guys that are clearly ahead of everyone else. It is not equal chance of those guys being good as it is the 2nd round guys. If you spend extra capital but get Jeudy or Lamb or Ruggs you have a significantly better chance of finding a #1 guy. They are not N'Keal Harry and Hollywood Brown. That is Higgins and Hamler. 

But the point is how much more significantly better are those guys going to be where the extra picks will be mitigated? And last years draft was just one example. I have shown other draft classes that proved the same point.

 

I'm not saying I wouldnt take one if they slid to 22. Hell, I even like the idea of Shenault, Reagor, or Jefferson at 22, but again because I'm not giving up extra capital.

 

And however last years class was grouped/graded, the producers came in the second round and later. Showing maybe teams are willing to wait because they can find playmakers/contributors throughout the draft.

 

Again, the top three being regarded as they are, in no way, shape, or form diminishes the level of spec some of these guys are.

 

So again, the level of productivity, would have to absolutely blow the field out of the water to justify spending additional capital. Its astonishing how a historically deep class is being downplayed in order to push a narrative that the top three will absolutely blow the field away.

 

Which, historically, has not been the case.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I don’t think the stats show it’s significantly less.  I would love to get Lamb or Juedy, but also not wanting to pay a huge bounty either given the richness of this draft.  After the top 3 guys are taken, there are guys who will go at 22 to well into the second that would be in consideration for first WR off the board in other drafts and certainly be first rounders.  

 

Im all for a trade up if it’s not too expensive because the one they covet fell to say mid teens or later.  But a Steelers like move of three premium picks to get up to near 10 or something is too much to pay given the immense talent at WR in this draft.

 

What stats? You don't think receivers taken early have a better success rate? 

 

Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans, OBJ, DeAndre Hopkins, Brandin Cooks, Amari Cooper.... all 1st rounders. 

 

As there being guys who will go 4th and 5th off the board in this class that would be 1st off in other classes - I agree. In classes that lack those true elite prospects. That is the whole point. 

2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

But the point is how much more significantly better are those guys going to be where the extra picks will be mitigated? And last years draft was just one example. I have shown other draft classes that proved the same point.

 

I'm not saying I wouldnt take one if they slid to 22. Hell, I even like the idea of Shenault, Reagor, or Jefferson at 22, but again because I'm not giving up extra capital.

 

And however last years class was grouped/graded, the producers came in the second round and later. Showing maybe teams are willing to wait because they can find playmakers/contributors throughout the draft.

 

Again, the top three being regarded as they are, in no way, shape, or form diminishes the level of spec some of these guys are.

 

So again, the level of productivity, would have to absolutely blow the field out of the water to justify spending additional capital. Its astonishing how a historically deep class is being downplayed in order to push a narrative that the top three will absolutely blow the field away.

 

Which, historically, has not been the case.

 

The top 3 are clearly better prospects. I'd be shocked if any of the three busted to be honest. Might there be guys from the next group who out perform one, two or all of the three top guys? Yep. Very possible. But there will 100% be guys in that 2nd tier who bust. You have to make sure you don't pick those ones. 

 

I am not even arguing FOR the trade up. I am arguing that you are giving up assets to reduce the bust percentage risk and that, is absolutely correct. Whether you think that is the right approach is a different question. 

[BillsFan17]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What stats? You don't think receivers taken early have a better success rate? 

 

Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans, OBJ, DeAndre Hopkins, Brandin Cooks, Amari Cooper.... all 1st rounders. 

 

As there being guys who will go 4th and 5th off the board in this class that would be 1st off in other classes - I agree. In classes that lack those true elite prospects. That is the whole point. 

 

The top 3 are clearly better prospects. I'd be shocked if any of the three busted to be honest. Might there be guys from the next group who out perform one, two or all of the three top guys? Yep. Very possible. But there will 100% be guys in that 2nd tier who bust. You have to make sure you don't pick those ones. 

 

I am not even arguing FOR the trade up. I am arguing that you are giving up assets to reduce the bust percentage risk and that, is absolutely correct. Whether you think that is the right approach is a different question. 

There is zero evidence or proof that acquiring one of those guys comes with a lower "bust rate."  Again, acting like these guys are immune to busting is not logical, it's a biased opinion based on nothing than own personal sentiment. I'm not advocating that any will, I acknowledge the level of prospect they are considered. However, I also acknowledge there are more than just a handful of guys that can possibly be as productive if not more productive. That's based on recent trends of a handful of draft classes. Moreover, WR is among the positions with the highest bust rate. So to tell me moving up for one reduces that risk, is again, based on nothing but personal sentiment.

 

You keep referencing how these top three are just on a different level, but refuse to truly acknowledge how deep this class is compared to just about any other class. 

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

It's a mismanagement of assets. The depth of the class allows you to wait. 

 

Look at last year as an example 

Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, etc...

 

To assume if you dont get one of the top three that you automatically can't find a good player is asinine. 

Your post is asinine

 

 

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

Your post is asinine

 

 

I've made countless points as to why I advocate not trading up, try and keep up.

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Reagor. I keep flipping him and Aiyuk as my #5 WR. But the drops are a legit concern. Is it hands? Is it concentration? Not sure. But even allowing for the QB issues he drops too many balls. 

 

It is definitely not Shenault. 

 

It is Jeudy #1; Lamb #2; Ruggs #3 for me. But I would be delighted with any of those guys. 

 

Last year was a very different WR class. Last year was like this year's class but without the 3 elite level prospects. If the Bills don't move up for one of the top 3 THEN it is like last year where they shouldn't force a WR pick at #22 because the difference between the guy they get there and the guy they can maybe still get in the 2nd is not that great. But the difference between the top 3 and the rest this year? That is very real. 

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for some people to understand...

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

There is zero evidence or proof that acquiring one of those guys comes with a lower "bust rate."

 

The evidence is the tape. The clear consensus by everyone who has scouted these players is that the top 3 are bust proof. A career like Sammy Watkins is the low end. The reason you trade up is to ensure that becomes the worst case scenario.

 

Most drafts are lucky to have 1 player of the caliber of those top 3. They are tier 1A draft prospects. And because there's 3 of them we have a chance to get one with a relatively minor trade up. I'm not letting the number of tier 2 and 3 receivers deter me from doing what it takes to get a tier 1A. You don't get a lot of chances at those players.

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

I've made countless points as to why I advocate not trading up, try and keep up.

And you have been wrong every time....give it up. You are unable to differentiate the talent level between the tiers of players, everything gunner has said is 1000000% correct. 

 

Edit: depth has nothing to do with elite talent, it provides you players at many rounds throughout the draft, many of which are 2nd and 3rd tier players. Elite talents go at the top of the draft, there is a reason why Beane has said, getting the board right is the most important thing.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[BillsFan17]

5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

And you have been wrong every time....give it up. You are unable to differentiate the talent level between the tiers of players, everything gunner has said is 1000000% correct. 

So when I point out drafts with later round specs out producing guys taken earlier that's wrong? How, how are facts wrong? Across multiple drafts?

 

Moreover, our own GM has pointed out multiple times the depth of the position. So, what is it that I'm giving up exactly?

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-combine-2020-what-bills-gm-and-head-coach-said-about-deep-wr-draft-class.html

 

But no, Allbright's tweet absolutely trumps our own GM. Nailed it!

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Here's the trade. Bills trade pick 22 pick to Jacksonville for the rights to Yannick Ngakoue, Nick Foles, and the 9th overall pick.

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

So when I point out drafts with later round specs out producing guys taken earlier that's wrong? How, how are facts wrong? Across multiple drafts?

 

Moreover, our own GM has pointed out multiple times the depth of the position. So, what is it that I'm giving up exactly?

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-combine-2020-what-bills-gm-and-head-coach-said-about-deep-wr-draft-class.html

 

But no, Allbright's tweet absolutely trumps our own GM. Nailed it!

 

Our gm had also been asked about the bust rate of WRs and depth in a class, he has said that he would move up if they are in the top talent pool and he feels their board is right ?‍♂️

[BillsFan17]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Our gm had also been asked about the bust rate of WRs and depth in a class, he has said that he would move up if they are in the top talent pool and he feels their board is right ?‍♂️

Care to link where Beane said that about this class?

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/why-wide-receiver-draft-prospects-like-what-they-see-from-the-buffalo-bills

 

Cause he is even more, with even those in the media thinking the depth of the class could allow us to wait.

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

[Putin]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

That’s why they call it “The Whaley “ ?

I’m sure Whaley is a good guy and I wish him all the BEST I really DO , but I  think we hit a jackpot with McBean  !!!  Cuz for the first time in decades anything less then a division championship  &  AFC championship game would be a disappointment  ... 

I’ll say it AGAIN  As I have been for the past 35 years ( and until the day I die )  GO BILLS  BABY. !!!!  

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Putin

[Putin]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So the thing is, if they wanted to smoke screen, they would have formally met with both of them and publicized the meetings. They were the only two NOT listed. But yet Breer specifically used their names only in his report.

That would be obvious  but to hide it and then have it leaked would be a little more believable 

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Putin

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Putin said:

That would be obvious  but to hide it and then have it leaked would be a little more believable ( don’t you think ? ) 

 

[elltrain22]

What I've been predicting. They moved up for Allen and Edmunds. We have to maximize our roster while Allen is on his rookie deal. If we solidify our pass rush via FA, you can bet Beane will try to move up to get Jeudy, Lamb, or even Ruggs

[BillsFan17]

Just now, elltrain22 said:

What I've been predicting. They moved up for Allen and Edmunds. We have to maximize our roster while Allen is on his rookie deal. If we solidify our pass rush via FA, you can bet Beane will try to move up to get Jeudy, Lamb, or even Ruggs

If they sure up other positions in FA, it's not out of the realm of possibility, and McDermott moved up twice before Beane got here, and Beane has moved up four times in his combined drafts. Would they do it, who knows, if they genuinely love the player, like you said they have moved up. I don't think its within their best interests. Especially since, I dont think its cost effective to blow our wad on filling every hole via FA. Especially with the contracts we will have to extend.

 

[Putin]

10 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:

What I've been predicting. They moved up for Allen and Edmunds. We have to maximize our roster while Allen is on his rookie deal. If we solidify our pass rush via FA, you can bet Beane will try to move up to get Jeudy, Lamb, or even Ruggs

One thing we know that if McBean wants his guy he will go and get him ,  do you think Jeudy/Alabama connection could be the one that ( if we do make the move ) we move up for ?

Edited March 3, 2020 by Putin

[PIZ]

34 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Care to link where Beane said that about this class?

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/why-wide-receiver-draft-prospects-like-what-they-see-from-the-buffalo-bills

 

Cause he is even more, with even those in the media thinking the depth of the class could allow us to wait.

Reed83HOF had a thread about this a few weeks ago. Lots of interesting info in it. 
 

 

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

Reed83HOF had a thread about this a few weeks ago. Lots of interesting info in it. 
 

 

Thats from 2018, not this year, and not in regard to any of the players being discussed. Are we really going to apply logic from a different draft class, at a different state of the franchise, with vastly different circumstances, one in which the targets were not WR?

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, PIZ said:

Reed83HOF had a thread about this a few weeks ago. Lots of interesting info in it. 
 

 

Ah yes rely on what the media says about waiting, they are less informed on what the Bill's need than this board. 

 

It is all very fluid, but the teams above us will push the WR talent down a bit, Simmons, Young, the OTs, a CB or 2, the QBs will allow at least 1 of not 2 of the top 3 to hit pick 10 or 11. 

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

Thats from 2018, not this year, and not in regard to any of the players being discussed. Are we really going to apply logic from a different draft class, at a different state of the franchise, with vastly different circumstances, one in which the targets were not WR?

Jesus h christ, there is no point with discussing anything with you. It perfectly applies to their year or any year or frankly any position. He said when he drafted Edmund's, if top talent falls and it's a need, we will go get it. But again that was from 2018 and doesn't apply here. 

 

I'm out

[BillsFan17]

5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Ah yes rely on what the media says about waiting, they are less informed on what the Bill's need than this board. 

 

It is all very fluid, but the teams above us will push the WR talent down a bit, Simmons, Young, the OTs, a CB or 2, the QBs will allow at least 1 of not 2 of the top 3 to hit pick 10 or 11. 

Jesus h christ, there is no point with discussing anything with you. It perfectly applies to their year or any year or frankly any position. He said when he drafted Edmund's, if top talent falls and it's a need, we will go get it. But again that was from 2018 and doesn't apply here. 

 

I'm out

Bye

 

And yes the landscape has changed, and I'm willing to bet so has Beanes draft approach. Especially considering as your acting like unanimously contextual, why didn't beane take Ridley instead of Edmunds? Maybe because MLB is a position of higher value and worthy of trading up for? Or how thin the position was beyond Edmunds, like he alluded to with having drafting Oliver, and how thin the 3 tech position was during his class, thus being less likely to wait and possibly find one later.

 

Trying to act like the approach of a team who was at the begging of a rebuild will be the same now, especially at a position group where the same guy you are quoting has stated the incredible depth...

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

[PIZ]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Thats from 2018, not this year, and not in regard to any of the players being discussed. Are we really going to apply logic from a different draft class, at a different state of the franchise, with vastly different circumstances, one in which the targets were not WR?

Hmm. Didn’t realize it was from 2018, but it’s still Beanes thoughts. I think there was another thread on here where Beane was quoted as saying he’d trade up if the board called for it. Beane said he would trade up for a guy, like Edmunds, if a talented player was dropping; a player that stood out from the rest. 
 

 

[BillsFan2313]

Jeudy is the only one worth trading up for IMO

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Hmm. Didn’t realize it was from 2018, but it’s still Beanes thoughts. I think there was another thread on here where Beane was quoted as saying he’d trade up if the board called for it. Beane said he would trade up for a guy, like Edmunds, if a talented player was dropping; a player that stood out from the rest. 
 

 

Doesn't matter anyways, he is going down with his opinion and apparently regardless of past performance and thoughts on his philosophies in general discussion need to be in the current year only. ?‍♂️

[BillsFan17]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Doesn't matter anyways, he is going down with his opinion and apparently regardless of past performance and thoughts on his philosophies in general discussion need to be in the current year only. ?‍♂️

Lmao yes, cause context matters, the situations matter, the state the team is in from then to now matters.

 

How the GM approaches one draft, and the positions absolutely bears context year to year.

 

Unless of course you expect Beane to trade up for a QB/LB again this year...

 

Again, you have also yet to prove where I was wrong in WRs beyond the first round being as productive if not more than those taken ahead of them. You're child who doesnt like facts.

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Lmao yes, cause context matters, the situations matter, the state the team is in from then to now matters.

 

How the GM approaches one draft, and the positions absolutely bears context year to year.

 

Unless of course you expect Beane to trade up for a QB/LB again this year...

 

Again, you have also yet to prove where I was wrong in WRs beyond the first round being as productive if not more than those taken ahead of them. You're child who doesnt like facts.

https://giphy.com/gifs/a3zqvrH40Cdhu

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Interesting considering they weren’t listed as formal or informal meetings 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2020/2/25/21153266/2020-nfl-combine-buffalo-bills-meeting-tracker-nfl-draft

 

Well, there are only 22 meetings listed there, so presumably there were 23 more.... Beane sounded salty about giving up 15 meetings and only having 45, so I can’t imagine he didn’t take full advantage of the number allowed

[BillsFan17]

5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

https://giphy.com/gifs/a3zqvrH40Cdhu

 

Using a Jennifer Lawrence gif further proves my point. You have brought nothing to table to discredit anything I have said.

 

I show facts about the production level of WRs across multiple drafts/rounds, you bring nothing 

 

I show quotes about our own GM and other media members discussing the depth of this draft and the potential to wait on them, you bring an article from 2018, which lacks any context to this draft or the players even discussed in this thread. Then parade around like you are smarter about the subject at hand. 

 

If Beane moves up for a WR in this class, especially due to its depth its poor asset management, barring the cost being exceptionally low in order to move up.

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What stats? You don't think receivers taken early have a better success rate? 

 

Julio Jones, AJ Green, Mike Evans, OBJ, DeAndre Hopkins, Brandin Cooks, Amari Cooper.... all 1st rounders. 

 

As there being guys who will go 4th and 5th off the board in this class that would be 1st off in other classes - I agree. In classes that lack those true elite prospects. That is the whole point. 

 

The top 3 are clearly better prospects. I'd be shocked if any of the three busted to be honest. Might there be guys from the next group who out perform one, two or all of the three top guys? Yep. Very possible. But there will 100% be guys in that 2nd tier who bust. You have to make sure you don't pick those ones. 

 

I am not even arguing FOR the trade up. I am arguing that you are giving up assets to reduce the bust percentage risk and that, is absolutely correct. Whether you think that is the right approach is a different question. 

 

I didn't say that.  You said they bust SIGNIFICANTLY less.  I said the stats dont suggest its SIGNIFICANT.  I can list a ton of WR's who busted to match your list that didn't.  

 

Statistically, the bust rate of someone taken in the top 10 isn't SIGNIFICANTLY better than someone taken at 22.  My point was simply that its not a significant as you made it out to be, and its also not an exact science year to year either.  

 

You dont mortgage the future to move up for a WR this year in this draft class.  You can move up still, but its totally unnecessary to make a huge move.  Last year you and lots of others kept saying there were no #1 WR's in the draft or special guys, yet many came in and made huge impacts right away and proved just how good that draft class was like many of us kept saying.  

 

Again this year, its loaded and even more so than last year.  You do not need to give up the farm to get any one player at WR this year is all I am saying.

[PIZ]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Lmao yes, cause context matters, the situations matter, the state the team is in from then to now matters.

 

How the GM approaches one draft, and the positions absolutely bears context year to year.

 

Unless of course you expect Beane to trade up for a QB/LB again this year...

 

Again, you have also yet to prove where I was wrong in WRs beyond the first round being as productive if not more than those taken ahead of them. You're child who doesnt like facts.

Beane is Beane and he is always looking to make the roster better. Doesn’t matter when he said it.  I think he’s looking for ELITE players, not bunch of middle of the road players. Allen (trade up), Edmunds (trade up), Ford (trade up), Knox (trade up), and they tried to trade for an elite WR Antonio Brown.  
 

 

 

 

[BillsFan17]

7 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Beane is Beane and he is always looking to make the roster better. Doesn’t matter when he said it.  I think he’s looking for ELITE players, not bunch of middle of the road players. Allen (trade up), Edmunds (trade up), Ford (trade up), Knox (trade up), and they tried to trade for an elite WR Antonio Brown.  
 

 

 

 

I never denied Beane doesnt make moves. That's not the point, the point was, I said Beane pointed out that there was great depth at the WR position, so much so that he felt its entirely possible a day three guy could come in any take a starters job.

 

That was a quote about this years class, about this years WRs, and his sentiment about the depth of the class.

 

Showing me his feelings about approaching the draft in 2018, in no way indicates to me hell likely trade up for one of the top three guys in the 2020 class.

 

Is it possible, I'm sure it is, Beane moves around. McDermott twice traded up when be ran the draft for Zay/Dion. Again, I'm saying its impossible. I simply point out I think it's bad asset management.

 

However, again, I'm talking about potentially waiting because

1) history has been on the side of guys producing all throughout the draft at WR. Especially in recent years.

2) Our own GM having referenced the depth RECENTLY AND ABOUT THIS DRAFT.

3) I sincerely doubt they value WR in the same light they value QB/MLB. Which, again, when you look at the context of making bold trades in the first round. Premium positions...

Edited March 3, 2020 by BillsFan17

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8 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Beane is Beane and he is always looking to make the roster better. Doesn’t matter when he said it.  I think he’s looking for ELITE players, not bunch of middle of the road players. Allen (trade up), Edmunds (trade up), Ford (trade up), Knox (trade up), and they tried to trade for an elite WR Antonio Brown.  
 

 

 

 

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[PIZ]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

I never denied Beane doesnt make moves. That's not the point, the point was, I said Beane pointed out that there was great depth at the WR position, so much so that he felt its entirely possible a day three guy could come in any take a starters job.

 

That was a quote about this years class, about this years WRs, and his sentiment about the depth of the class.

 

Showing me his feelings about approaching the draft in 2018, in no way indicates to me hell likely trade up for one of the top three guys in the 2020 class.

 

Is it possible, I'm sure it is, Beane moves around. McDermott twice traded up when be ran the draft for Zay/Dion. Again, I'm saying its impossible. I simply point out I think it's bad asset management.

 

However, again, I'm talking about potentially waiting because

1) history has been on the side of guys producing all throughout the draft at WR. Especially in recent years.

2) Our own GM having referenced the depth RECENTLY AND ABOUT THIS DRAFT.

3) I sincerely doubt they value WR in the same light they value QB/MLB. Which, again, when you look at the context of making bold trades in the first round. Premium positions...

I personally feel that Beane is looking to trade up for K’Lavon Chaisson. However, if one of the top 3 WRs drop, and Beane thinks they have a chance at being ELITE, I believe he’ll pull the trigger. How many elite players do the scouts consider there to be in this draft? 10, 15, 20? I’m guessing that Beane wants a shot at one of those elite players, and it doesn’t matter if that elite player is an Edge, CB, OT, Safety, or WR. 
 

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. That’s just mine.