Super Tuesday Primaries 3/3

[LB3]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And that number is with the most populus and far-left state in the country voting yesterday.

 

Thanks for proving my point 

 Almost half your party wants full blown socialism and the other half is buying the first half drinks and flirting almost every night. Yeah. I made your point.?

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'll be just fine.  Thank you though.

 

Besides, I don't need emotional support animals if I have a good bottle of Single Malt Scotch.

with vegan cuisine and a ukulele? 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

 Almost half your party wants full blown socialism and the other half is buying the first half drinks and flirting almost every night. Yeah. I made your point.?

 

8% difference in favor of the moderates while counting the most populated state in the Union,  considered by far the most far-left state?

 

Yes, you did.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

 Almost half your party wants full blown socialism and the other half is buying the first half drinks and flirting almost every night. Yeah. I made your point.?

That's "democratic" socialism!

[Foxx]

55 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'll repeat what I said to you before.

 

Biden is more mentally fit than Trump.

 

 

Honest question:

 

You're over here chatting with everyone all the time.  The narrative has very clearly been that the Democratic party has shifted so far to the left, will inevitably elect Sanders the Socialist, ensuring Trump gets into office.  In the span of 24 hours that narrative has been pretty much flipped on its head with moderate Democratic voters across the country getting out to vote... outnumbering those "nutty Socialists."

 

Can you yet acknowledge that it's looking more and more possible that the thing that will primarily get voters out in November is to vote against Trump and the more moderate the candidate (Biden) the more Independents will be in that camp?

LBSBLBGB gave a good response to your post, below.

 

i don't know that the narrative here has been that the Dem party has shifted so far left that it will inevitably elect Sanders. i think it more a case of a perception that any sane individual understands that sane people would not elect an individual that clearly has the cognitive issues that ol' Joe has. as such, yes the presumption may be more slanted towards the understanding that Sanders would then be the logical nominee.

 

i also think that the Democrat Party is clearly split. again, see LBSBLBGB's post below that you dismissed out of hand without taking into account the broader implications in play here.

 

38 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/results-super-tuesday-primary-election.html

 

At the time of the article.

 

11.5M total votes yesterday if you toss Tulsi's 84K. (All figures rounded) 

 

Biden 4.5M

Bernie 3.67M

Warren 1.63M

Mini Mike 1.7M

 

That's roughly 54% moderate, 46% socialist.

 

Yeah. The Dem party is pretty far left. A moderate Dem 20 years ago would not recognize the moderates now.

 

 

31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And that number is with the most populus and far-left state in the country voting yesterday.

 

Thanks for proving my point 

to pick up on the broader implications at play here, since you simply want to dismiss Super Tuesday's results out of hand because it goes against your perceived biases with regard to the DParty being splintered, lets take a look at the overall delegate count.

 

NYT Article

 

the delegate count at this moment is 45% Biden and 39% Sanders. if we add Bloomberg's total to Biden and Warren's to Sanders (because of the ideologies), the total then becomes 52% Biden and 46% Sanders. i may be off here but to me, it appears that that is very symptomatic of split ideologies.

 

to your last question, i don't think it matters what the reason Dem voters come out in November is. you are not going to have enough to oust Trump, you just aren't. historical norms even say that with conditions on the ground, you won't be able to do it. as the saying goes... it's the economy, stupid. add in the fact that you have factions within your party that have clearly stated that they will not vote for the other candidate, no matter what and you now have a serious problem in addition to the other factors against you. a party splintered is going to have an extremely hard time winning anything.

 

if evidence emerges that shows the DNC/Establishment has again stolen the nomination from Bern, the Bros are not going to be as accepting as they were in '16. youse guys are in trouble no matter which angle you look at it from.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Foxx

[LB3]

@Foxx LBSBLBGB...yikes. Might be time for a name change. Which would be oddly fitting considering what my abbreviation looks like. 

 ?

Edited March 4, 2020 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall

[Foxx]

nut shell time again.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1235244250025119748

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'll repeat what I said to you before.

 

Biden is more mentally fit than Trump.

 

Whoa dude, you recently checked out of the local psych ward? That is the only way anyone could possibly say Biden is more mentally fit than... well, anyone or anything.

The man is clearly mentally deficient. Whether it is dementia, strokes, or something else, there is something very wrong with Joey-B. It is elder abuse to parade him out on  the campaign trail.

 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[transplantbillsfan]

40 minutes ago, Foxx said:

LBSBLBGB gave a good response to your post, below.

 

i don't know that the narrative here has been that the Dem party has shifted so far left that it will inevitably elect Sanders. i think it more a case of a perception that any sane individual understands that sane people would not elect an individual that clearly has the cognitive issues that ol' Joe has. as such, yes the presumption may be more slanted towards the understanding that Sanders would then be the logical nominee.

 

i also think that the Democrat Party is clearly split. again, see LBSBLBGB's post below that you dismissed out of hand without taking into account the broader implications in play here.

 

 

 

to pick up on the broader implications at play here, since you simply want to dismiss Super Tuesday's results out of hand because it goes against your perceived biases with regard to the DParty being splintered, lets take a look at the overall delegate count.

 

NYT Article

 

the delegate count at this moment is 45% Biden and 39% Sanders. if we add Bloomberg's total to Biden and Warren's to Sanders (because of the ideologies), the total then becomes 52% Biden and 46% Sanders. i may be off here but to me, it appears that that is very symptomatic of split ideologies.

 

to your last question, i don't think it matters what the reason Dem voters come out in November is. you are not going to have enough to oust Trump, you just aren't. historical norms even say that with conditions on the ground, you won't be able to do it. as the saying goes... it's the economy, stupid. add in the fact that you have factions within your party that have clearly stated that they will not vote for the other candidate, no matter what and you now have a serious problem in addition to the other factors against you. a party splintered is going to have an extremely hard time winning anything.

 

if evidence emerges that shows the DNC/Establishment has again stolen the nomination from Bern, the Bros are not going to be as accepting as they were in '16. youse guys are in trouble no matter which angle you look at it from.

 

Sooooo where are these vast numbers of Democrats who have clearly stated they won't vote for the other candidate?  I see you guys posting these individual tweets from people who say these things as though they're evidence of some larger movement.

 

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of a larger movement... 

 

So, where is your evidence that a majority of or even very large faction of Sanders supporters wouldn't vote for Biden?

 

Historical norms are out the window as of 2016.  You guys over here have acknowledged that yourselves.

 

We'll find out in November.  

 

I just think you guys consistently and seriously have been misreading the pulse of the nation for the last God knows how many years since most of you here were also anti-Obama.

 

Just make sure you've braced yourself for "Sleepy Joe" at the helm for 4 years.

 

Don't worry, I've braced myself for the alternative.

Edited March 4, 2020 by transplantbillsfan

[Mark Vader]

8 hours ago, ScotSHO said:

You sound almost as mad as Joe got when a fat guy asked him a question.  I bet your response will be to challenge me in a pushup contest.

Biden has Beto for that now.

[Golden Goat]

30 minutes ago, Foxx said:

nut shell time again.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1235244250025119748

My wife and I said exactly that right after he said it. Great take.

[Foxx]

21 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Sooooo where are these vast numbers of Democrats who have clearly stated they won't vote for the other candidate?  I see you guys posting these individual tweets from people who say these things as though they're evidence of some larger movement.

 

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of a larger movement... 

 

So, where is your evidence that a majority of or even very large faction of Sanders supporters wouldn't vote for Biden?

 

Historical norms are out the window as of 2016.  You guys over here have acknowledged that yourselves.

 

We'll find out in November.  

 

I just think you guys consistently and seriously have been misreading the pulse of the nation for the last God knows how many years since most of you here were also anti-Obama.

 

Just make sure you've braced yourself for "Sleepy Joe" at the helm for 4 years.

 

Don't worry, I've braced myself for the alternative.

if, by some miracle, Joe gets elected, i predict he won't be Prez for longer than a year. he will either step down and relinquish his position to the VP (he is even on tape stating such) or they will invoke the 25 amendment. he is only being run to preserve the globalists agenda so that Trump doesn't totally obliterate it.

 

as far as evidence that voters won't cross their ideology to vote for the other candidate, i'm not going to go out and find all the references. there are many clips of pundits on your networks who have been arguing this point. we will just have to argue this point, watch for more evidence to come to light and wait and see what really happens.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Foxx

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Not incorrect and this isn't just limited to that thread and our bet.

 

This isn't about that thread or that bet, which is about the winner of the election in November. 

It’s actually very correct.

 

You can read the thread for yourself and see — or keep quoting something from last week which I have already copped to.   

 

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Here's just one instance that you seem to need reminding of:

 

Are you seriously this fixated on not being wrong?

 

You were wrong.  

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I underestimated Joe in the early races, without question. But our bet, my point from the beginning has always been this stage is irrelevant because none of them can beat Trump. 
 

Least of all Biden.  

 

The next 4 years are going to be very hard for you. But at least you’ll have a spiffy Trump avatar to console yourself with ?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....YAWN....."Superfluous Tuesday" has passed.....so has Waste Management garbage pickup....moving on............

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Yeah. The Dem party is pretty far left. A moderate Dem 20 years ago would not recognize the moderates now.

I’m case in point. 90% of my views were, as recently as late 2015, pretty center left. Today they’re somehow “alt right” even though those positions did not change:

 

* Ending mass surveillance/curbing the abuses

* Ending regime change as a foreign policy aim 

* Protecting individual civil liberties and civil rights 

 

Funny how that works. 

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You're underestimating how influential anti-Trump sentiment can be getting people out to vote.

 

I know people like to point out how it didn't work with Bush, but hatred for Bush paled in comparison to hatred for Trump.

 

 

 

 

This flatly is untrue. It just FEELS that way because you’ve been the victim of a mass propaganda effort on the part of the MSM for the past three years. They didn’t do that to Bush because he was on their team. 
 

Trump isn’t, hence it’s been full bore informational warfare since November 2016. 
 

But here’s the thing. It’s fake. It’s not real. You’re letting PROVEN liars and manipulators create (another) false reality for you. Just like they did with “RUSSIA!”  
 

TDS is real. It’s powerful. But it’s a minority position despite the hype. 

[section122]

8 hours ago, Foxx said:

i don't know that i would be taking a victory lap here.

 

i think the real takeaway is that... you guys are so desperate and delusional, you are voting for a man who obviously has dementia. what does that say? are you guys on the cusp of full blown dementia yourselves as well? i think a  case could be made....

 

I see this is the angle people are going to take to attack Biden.  Hilariously people pretend that at 77 he is just soooo much older than Trump.  Trump has so many incoherent rants couldn't you say the same thing?  I googled Trump Dementia and Biden Dementia.  Surprise!  The left wing media claims Trump has it and the right wing media says Biden has it.

 

This is my shocked face.

 

Should have stuck with Creepy Uncle Joe that would be much more effective.  Although grab em by the p*ssy didn't really do anything to Trump so perhaps not...

 

1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

You work in an industry that is far left and likely surround yourself with only politically like minded friends who all watch the same news outlets and believe the same thing. We see that as well. Most of us here would be disappointed but not shocked if Biden won. I'm pretty sure you and many of your friends would need emotional support animals for a while.

 

Sanders supporter here.  Bernie Bro I guess.  I'm fully expecting a Trump win this year.  There will be an absolute meltdown if the Dem candidate wins on this forum.  People are so absolutely sure Trump has it in the bag they mock any thought that a Dem could win.

 

7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

if, by some miracle, Joe gets elected, i predict he won't be Prez for longer than a year. he will either step down and relinquish his position to the VP (he is even on tape stating such) or they will invoke the 25 amendment. he is only being run to preserve the globalists agenda so that Trump doesn't totally obliterate it.

 

as far as evidence that voters won't cross their ideology to vote for the other candidate, i'm not going to go out and find all the references. there are many clips of pundits on your networks who have been arguing this point. we will just have to argue this point, watch for more evidence to come to light and wait and see what really happens.

 

Ahh the 25th amendment.  Man it is hilarious how similar both sides are. 

 

 https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458967-scaramucci-says-25th-amendment-should-be-considered-to-remove-trump

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-walsh-trump-25th-amendment_n_5d62990fe4b0b59d25763b59

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-03/letters-to-the-editor-trump-unfit-use-25th-amendment

 

As to the bolded the networks have made it clear they back anyone but Bernie.  So yes they are saying people won't cross ideologies but they are wrong.  Maybe not if Bernie wins the nomination but Bernie supporters will support Biden if the process plays out fairly.  If the DNC pulls the screw job then all bets are off.  For the record I don't consider Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out to prop up Joe as a screw job just old fashioned party politics.

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

with vegan cuisine and a ukulele? 

Tiny Tim is alive ?

 

 

[section122]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

This flatly is untrue. It just FEELS that way because you’ve been the victim of a mass propaganda effort on the part of the MSM for the past three years. They didn’t do that to Bush because he was on their team. 
 

Trump isn’t, hence it’s been full bore informational warfare since November 2016. 
 

But here’s the thing. It’s fake. It’s not real. You’re letting PROVEN liars and manipulators create (another) false reality for you. Just like they did with “RUSSIA!”  
 

TDS is real. It’s powerful. But it’s a minority position despite the hype. 

 

I just don't understand how the billionaire who was born into money, rubbed elbows with the Clintons for how long, and has a global business is somehow considered an outsider to you.  It just doesn't make sense that you accept him as some saving grace for the country when to me he is just more of the same.  You keep claiming globalists head up this cabal but isn't Trump worldwide? 

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I see this is the angle people are going to take to attack Biden.  Hilariously people pretend that at 77 he is just soooo much older than Trump.  Trump has so many incoherent rants couldn't you say the same thing? 

(Just trimmed for space purposes) 

 

The difference isn’t a number, it’s energy. Trump has 100x the energy Joe does. He can (and does) speak to large crowds for 2 hours, multiple times in a day. Joe can’t hang like that. He gets tired during debates. 
 

Put them on stage together, and the difference will be stark. Joe has no prayer of keeping up with Trump. 
 

As an aside, based on your Bernie Bro comment, you’re in SoCal right? (Forgive me if you’re not or don’t wish to disclose). But if you are, do you REALLY believe Bernie supporters will go with Joe without a major fight? The ones I interact with out here do NOT agree. 

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I just don't understand how the billionaire who was born into money, rubbed elbows with the Clintons for how long, and has a global business is somehow considered an outsider to you.  It just doesn't make sense that you accept him as some saving grace for the country when to me he is just more of the same.  You keep claiming globalists head up this cabal but isn't Trump worldwide? 

He’s not a political insider, a beltway insider, and ran a campaign which threatened the money flow for the globalists in DC and their establishment sacred cows. Running on promises is one thing, lots run w big promises (Take Obama who I voted for) then fall into line once in office and stick with the status quo.
 

Trump not only ran on things which endangered the establishment’s grip on the wheel of power and their pocketbook, but he followed through. 
 

One is not like the other. 

[Foxx]

15 minutes ago, section122 said:

I see this is the angle people are going to take to attack Biden.  Hilariously people pretend that at 77 he is just soooo much older than Trump.  Trump has so many incoherent rants couldn't you say the same thing?  I googled Trump Dementia and Biden Dementia.  Surprise!  The left wing media claims Trump has it and the right wing media says Biden has it.

 

This is my shocked face.

 

Should have stuck with Creepy Uncle Joe that would be much more effective.  Although grab em by the p*ssy didn't really do anything to Trump so perhaps not...

Trumps rants may be incoherent to you but they are just the way he talks. the cognitive connections are there and in no way could even be remotely considered to be on the same level as Biden's disconnections. Joe can't even complete a sentence half the time, barely knows where he is, can't finish a line from the declaration of independence, that one would think a 40 year vet of the establishment would be able to recite in his sleep.

 

15 minutes ago, section122 said:

Ahh the 25th amendment.  Man it is hilarious how similar both sides are. 

 

 https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458967-scaramucci-says-25th-amendment-should-be-considered-to-remove-trump

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-walsh-trump-25th-amendment_n_5d62990fe4b0b59d25763b59

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-03/letters-to-the-editor-trump-unfit-use-25th-amendment

 

As to the bolded the networks have made it clear they back anyone but Bernie.  So yes they are saying people won't cross ideologies but they are wrong.  Maybe not if Bernie wins the nomination but Bernie supporters will support Biden if the process plays out fairly.  If the DNC pulls the screw job then all bets are off.  For the record I don't consider Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out to prop up Joe as a screw job just old fashioned party politics.

the 25th amendment in relation to Trump was because of the deep state attempt (which is still ongoing) to get him out of office. there is no way it ever would have stood up to scrutiny and that is why it was never truly attempted.

 

 

11 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I just don't understand how the billionaire who was born into money, rubbed elbows with the Clintons for how long, and has a global business is somehow considered an outsider to you.  It just doesn't make sense that you accept him as some saving grace for the country when to me he is just more of the same.  You keep claiming globalists head up this cabal but isn't Trump worldwide? 

one is not like the other.

 

a billionaire businessman is not necessarily in the same fold as corrupt politicians who depend upon the graft of their constituents for their existence and relevance. 

 

does not his nationalistic policies explain this difference to you? 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Foxx

[LB3]

31 minutes ago, section122 said:

Sanders supporter here.  Bernie Bro I guess.  I'm fully expecting a Trump win this year.  There will be an absolute meltdown if the Dem candidate wins on this forum.  People are so absolutely sure Trump has it in the bag they mock any thought that a Dem could win.

I wouldn't call you a Bernie Bro. Those people a lunatics who froth at the mouth. You've shown yourself to be a rational thinker who has a different political view than most here. I really don't think there'd be a meltdown here but you could be right. I think Trump will win but wouldn't be shocked if he lost.

 

I'd be much more concerned if Biden won and picked Michelle for VP because I believe that would mean she'd be President for about 10 years. I think he'd step down after accomplishing his lifelong goal and pass the torch to someone he respects.

Edited March 4, 2020 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'll repeat what I said to you before.

 

Biden is more mentally fit than Trump.

 

 

Honest question:

 

You're over here chatting with everyone all the time.  The narrative has very clearly been that the Democratic party has shifted so far to the left, will inevitably elect Sanders the Socialist, ensuring Trump gets into office.  In the span of 24 hours that narrative has been pretty much flipped on its head with moderate Democratic voters across the country getting out to vote... outnumbering those "nutty Socialists."

 

Can you yet acknowledge that it's looking more and more possible that the thing that will primarily get voters out in November is to vote against Trump and the more moderate the candidate (Biden) the more Independents will be in that camp?

I never underestimate the ability of some people to vote as follows:

 

1.  They will vote for a candidate/platform that confiscates assets from the middle class and beyond because the rewards to them are sustaintial.  Since they can be given ×××, there is no need to work to earn xxx because it can be taken from another person. 

 

2.  They will vote for as much free $#!# as possible; 

 

3. They will vote against their own best interests due to failure to recognize the ramifications of their actions, out of some perverse self-loathing or guilt about their own station in life. 

 

4. They will pursue a platform that appeals to them on some level of righteousness while failing to acknowledge the incredible hypocrisy of their vote given their own lifestyle choices;

 

As a result, I believe it is entirely possible that voters will come out to vote against Trump as you have indicated. 

 

That said, Biden and Sanders have been battling back and forth in what is akin to towel snapping each other in the hs after 10th grade gym class.  The game changes when the nominee is chosen, and we move to the death match phase.   

 

Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter.  He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2.  This is all occurring during what amounts to the warm up for the event that follows, and that event is a 50 mile race through the desert on a tricycle.  I don't criticize these people for miscues regardless of party, but Joe appears ravaged by the effects of aging and it seems to get worse by the week.  

 

Sanders...well, the people lost their collective minds over things like  Trump's "grab em" and the whispers of innuendo that Trump was a Russian operative, but that will pale in comparison to Sanders=Russia=Venezula=Cuba and literally IS a komrade from the old country and has been for decades.  

 

With luck, the Durham report comes out and a few Obama and Biden cronies heads roll, but if not, Trump will push forward anyways. 

 

I'm always cautious, had planned for a Cankles presidency and simply feel that when the ***** hits the fan for 2020, it'll be a scorched earth election.  To be honest, it is.  I see no moderate dem candidates in the race, and to be fair, if you consider yourself a moderate while opting to vote for Sanders if it plays out that way....no middle ground exists to be found anyway.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter.  He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2. 

 

 

Well done.

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Come. Give Donald a break. At least he chose one of the 57 states. 

If only that guy could run again.  Damn term limits.

[LB3]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

If only that guy could run again.  Damn term limits.

Careful...

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

I see this is the angle people are going to take to attack Biden.  Hilariously people pretend that at 77 he is just soooo much older than Trump.  Trump has so many incoherent rants couldn't you say the same thing?  I googled Trump Dementia and Biden Dementia.  Surprise!  The left wing media claims Trump has it and the right wing media says Biden has it.

 

This is my shocked face.

 

Should have stuck with Creepy Uncle Joe that would be much more effective.  Although grab em by the p*ssy didn't really do anything to Trump so perhaps not...

 

 

Here's what it boils down to for me.

 

As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women.

 

Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I wouldn't call you a Bernie Bro. Those people a lunatics who froth at the mouth. You've shown yourself to be a rational thinker who has a different political view than most here. I really don't think there'd be a meltdown here but you could be right. I think Trump will win but wouldn't be shocked if he lost.

 

I'd be much more concerned if Biden won and picked Michelle for VP because I believe that would mean she'd be President for about 10 years. I think he'd step down after accomplishing his lifelong goal and pass the torch to someone he respects.

 

Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP.

 

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I never underestimate the ability of some people to vote as follows:

 

1.  They will vote for a candidate/platform that confiscates assets from the middle class and beyond because the rewards to them are sustaintial.  Since they can be given ×××, there is no need to work to earn xxx because it can be taken from another person. 

 

2.  They will vote for as much free $#!# as possible; 

 

3. They will vote against their own best interests due to failure to recognize the ramifications of their actions, out of some perverse self-loathing or guilt about their own station in life. 

 

4. They will pursue a platform that appeals to them on some level of righteousness while failing to acknowledge the incredible hypocrisy of their vote given their own lifestyle choices;

 

As a result, I believe it is entirely possible that voters will come out to vote against Trump as you have indicated. 

 

That said, Biden and Sanders have been battling back and forth in what is akin to towel snapping each other in the hs after 10th grade gym class.  The game changes when the nominee is chosen, and we move to the death match phase.   

 

Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter.  He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2.  This is all occurring during what amounts to the warm up for the event that follows, and that event is a 50 mile race through the desert on a tricycle.  I don't criticize these people for miscues regardless of party, but Joe appears ravaged by the effects of aging and it seems to get worse by the week.  

 

Sanders...well, the people lost their collective minds over things like  Trump's "grab em" and the whispers of innuendo that Trump was a Russian operative, but that will pale in comparison to Sanders=Russia=Venezula=Cuba and literally IS a komrade from the old country and has been for decades.  

 

With luck, the Durham report comes out and a few Obama and Biden cronies heads roll, but if not, Trump will push forward anyways. 

 

I'm always cautious, had planned for a Cankles presidency and simply feel that when the ***** hits the fan for 2020, it'll be a scorched earth election.  To be honest, it is.  I see no moderate dem candidates in the race, and to be fair, if you consider yourself a moderate while opting to vote for Sanders if it plays out that way....no middle ground exists to be found anyway.

 

 

 

Despite your protestations, the American people overlooked Trump being caught on tape admitting to sexually assaulting women when he greets them.  

 

If they did that because they "wanted change," then they will overlook Joe's bats in the attic if they aren't happy with that change.

 

There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected.

 

8 years as Vice President to one of the most popular Presidents in history who's still INCREDIBLY popular and who was the most recent President before the new guy is literally the perfect opportunity for any Trump voter who now regrets his/her vote (and there are a lot of them out there, make no mistake) to go back to safe-ole-Joe, because they're familiar with him and they'll associate his new Presidency with the 8 years leading up to Trump.

 

I would vote for Sanders, but I really didn't want him as the Democratic candidate.  And I'm glad it's looking like he won't be.

[Teddy KGB]

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

[LB3]

19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP.

 

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.

Agreed. Tons of people love the Obamas despite how bad he was for them and the country.

[IDBillzFan]

48 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Here's what it boils down to for me.

 

As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women.

 

Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.

 

Trump didn't win because the claims by the far left about him being an unhinged ps$$iegrabber were overlooked by most of the electorate.

 

Trump won because the media thought it would be a good idea to air every single moment of every single Trump rally while, simultaneously, Hillary couldn't scale a flight of stairs up OR down, all while calling Trump's people 'deplorable.'' By the time she finished  ignoring the flyover states so she could collect her coastal donations, she proved herself to be one of the single most unlikable candidates in years.

 

All you're doing with Biden (and even Bernie) is swapping one white hot mess of a candidate for another. You all should have gotten behind Tulsi when you had the chance.

Edited March 5, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[LB3]

@transplantbillsfan Every time you post about how much everyone hates Trump, it makes me think of this clip.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected.

 

Narrator: "It didn't get him elected."

[Azalin]

14 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Trump didn't win because the claims by the far left about him being an unhinged ps$$iegrabber were overlooked by most of the electorate.

 

Trump won because the media thought it would be a good idea to air every single moment of every single Trump rally while, simultaneously, Hillary couldn't scale a flight of stairs up OR down, all while calling Trump's people 'deplorable.'' By the time she finished  ignoring the flyover states so she could collect her coastal donations, she proved herself to be one of the single most unlikable candidates in years.

 

All you're doing with Biden (and even Bernie) is swapping one white hot mess of a candidate for another. You all should have gotten behind Tulsi when you had the chance.

 

Exactly. I'd add that he won that election before having any kind of track record as a politician. Now he can run on reduced regulations, lower taxes, improved economy, fatter IRAs and 401Ks, and all his judicial appointments.

 

I completely agree about Gabbard, too. The socialist wave sweeping the democrats nudged her and anyone like her too far into the margins.

[LB3]

19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Narrator: "It didn't get him elected."

I can't read this without hearing the Idiocracy narrator saying it. ??

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Narrator: "It didn't get him elected."

 

5 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I can't read this without hearing the Idiocracy narrator saying it. ??

 

Funny.  Can't stop hearing it in "L'il Opie Cunninghan's" voice. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Taro T

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Here's what it boils down to for me.

 

As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women.

 

Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.

Trump never said that. Get your facts straight or provide a link.

[section122]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

(Just trimmed for space purposes) 

 

The difference isn’t a number, it’s energy. Trump has 100x the energy Joe does. He can (and does) speak to large crowds for 2 hours, multiple times in a day. Joe can’t hang like that. He gets tired during debates. 
 

Put them on stage together, and the difference will be stark. Joe has no prayer of keeping up with Trump. 
 

As an aside, based on your Bernie Bro comment, you’re in SoCal right? (Forgive me if you’re not or don’t wish to disclose). But if you are, do you REALLY believe Bernie supporters will go with Joe without a major fight? The ones I interact with out here do NOT agree. 

 

 

He’s not a political insider, a beltway insider, and ran a campaign which threatened the money flow for the globalists in DC and their establishment sacred cows. Running on promises is one thing, lots run w big promises (Take Obama who I voted for) then fall into line once in office and stick with the status quo.
 

Trump not only ran on things which endangered the establishment’s grip on the wheel of power and their pocketbook, but he followed through. 
 

One is not like the other. 

 

Im on mobile now so my quote is a little screwed up lol.

 

I agree with you that Trump has an energy to him and would destroy Biden in debates just like he did Hillary. They are too proper and try to debate like politicians do.  Trump doesn't play by the rules they are used to and I don't think Biden is good on his feet.  Bernie challenged him to a 1 hour healthcare Debate which will be very interesting to me.  

 

I'm upstate NY.  I'm on an island as a Bernie supporter lol.  Many dems are relieved they can vote for Biden.  The Bernie supporters I do know I think would support Biden.  Again though only if there isn't a screw job.  If i feel there is a screw job I won't vote Biden either.  

 

The second part we just have to agree to disagree.  Sure he might have upset the Clinton dynasty but by the time he was the republican candidate and eventually the winner he had full support of the repubs.  A lot of rich people made a lot more money during his presidency.  They weren't mad to see the dem train stopped and derailed.  It just feels like you are taking standard party politics and making it a grander conspiracy with Trump as some white knight here to save us and dismantle the cabal.  I just don't see that.  I see the dems throwing a fit bc they thought they had 16 in the bag.  They had been planning it since 08 and couldn't believe it was foiled by Trump of all people!

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP.

 

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.

 

I wouldn't vote for a ticket with michele obama.  Being first lady isn't a qualifier for the vp.  I would actually hate it lol.

[LB3]

6 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I'm upstate NY.  I'm on an island as a Bernie supporter lol.  Many dems are relieved they can vote for Biden.  The Bernie supporters I do know I think would support Biden.  Again though only if there isn't a screw job.  If i feel there is a screw job I won't vote Biden either.  

I think you and I both live in the same area ?. Judging by my office and campus, I dont think you're on an island. Hell. Most of my friends and coworkers don't know I support Trump. I just tell them I'm not into politics to shut down their rants. Different strokes I guess. Nice to see we all feel like we're on an island. ?

[3rdnlng]

Bernie Supporters

Don’t think of it as “losing”. Think of it as having your hopes and dreams redistributed for the common good of all Democrats, equally.