CeeDee Lamb or bust.

[NewEra]

4.53 for Dillon.  Impressive.  Looks like everyone taking him in rd 6 in fanspeak draft should stop.  Looking like a early day 3 guy imo

Edited February 29, 2020 by NewEra

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, nucci said:

you would trade that much for 1 player?

 

Not unless it’s a generational QB. Sometimes we need to rein in our emotional response and look at the big picture. That could be THREE cheap and awesome players for 4-5 years vs one hopeful stud. 

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

4.53 for Dillon.  Impressive.  Looks like everyone taking him in rd 6 in fanspeak draft should stop.  Looking like a early day 3 guy imo

 

Not totally shocked, he looked fast on film. Impressed, but not shocked. 

[ScorpionZero]

13 minutes ago, MJS said:

Beane will do whatever he wants and whatever he thinks will make the team better without sacrificing the future. There are countless scenarios to achieve that besides the two extreme options you provided.

Jump and catch a football without defenders and without wearing pads and a helmet?

That's the thing with great players, it's as if they're equipments not there

 

12 minutes ago, nucci said:

you would trade that much for 1 player?

Absolutely, when guys like him come up you can't hesitate. We didn't hesitate to get Allen or Edmonds. How is this any different. Are you contemplating what they gave up to get them. Franchise players on either side of the ball. 

[MJS]

Just now, ScorpionZero said:

That's the thing with great players, it's as if they're equipments not there

 

Absolutely, when guys like him come up you can't hesitate. We didn't hesitate to get Allen or Edmonds. How is this any different. Are you contemplating what they gave up to get them. Franchise players on either side of the ball. 

They didn't have to move up so much for those players. If Lamb falls it might be worth it, but not if we have to trade into the top 10. I'd only do that for a QB.

[ScorpionZero]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

They didn't have to move up so much for those players. If Lamb falls it might be worth it, but not if we have to trade into the top 10. I'd only do that for a QB.

That's the problem, he won't fall past 10. You have to go get him. He's that transformative for an offense as a QB. 

I don't want to be here next year starting a post saying  "I told you so"..

 

Jason Momoa rocket mortgage commercial is hilarious. 

[Aussie Joe]

Draft looking like it’s going to be way deep  in Offensive Skill positions...

 

Do not give up Top 4 Round draft picks to move up in this draft..

 

Only way I am giving up a top pick is for an already established WR like Diggs..

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Aussie Joe

[MJS]

16 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

That's the problem, he won't fall past 10. You have to go get him. He's that transformative for an offense as a QB. 

I don't want to be here next year starting a post saying  "I told you so"..

 

Jason Momoa rocket mortgage commercial is hilarious. 

Mortgaging the future is not the answer.

[mjt328]

Wise teams do not make trades like this.

 

If scouted properly, a 1st Round Pick should have an extremely high success rate.  A good GM should be able to get a good starter in the 1st Round most of the time, and should get a good starter in the 2nd Round at least half of the time.  No WR is worth 3-4 good starters.

 

Believe me.  I really like CeeDee Lamb, and I think he's the best WR in this draft.  But there are probably 20 WRs (maybe more) in this class who could also become very good receivers in the NFL.  It's ridiculously deep.  If the Bills do their homework, I have no doubts they can get what they need at #22 or even in the 2nd-3rd Round.  

 

[Lurker]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

Mortgaging the future is not the answer.

 

Neither is being slightly above average.     4-12 teams can't afford to take chances with draft capital.    10-6 teams on the rise can - and should...

[ScorpionZero]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Beane will do whatever he wants and whatever he thinks will make the team better without sacrificing the future. There are countless scenarios to achieve that besides the two extreme options you provided.

Jump and catch a football without defenders and without wearing pads and a helmet?

That's the thing with great players, it's as if they're equipments not there

 

2 hours ago, nucci said:

you would trade that much for 1 player?

Absolutely, when guys like him come up you can't hesitate. We didn't hesitate to get Allen or Edmonds. How is this any different. Are you contemplating what they gave up to get them. Franchise players on either side of the ball. 

[ScorpionZero]

It's as simple as this, KC traded up to 10 to get their transformative player, from 27 because they believed he was the *****. 20 ***** spots,20. Not 5 not 10. 20 spots and they were able to get it done. When some one is that person you do what you gotta do to get it done. Our response to that traded pick were tre,day, zay Jones, Dawkins and part of the trade up for Edmonds. 

Realistically those players are important to the team. But it's important to make the same sacrifice to add a player like Lamb to take the next step. No balls, no glory. 

 

[Ga boy]

On 2/20/2020 at 6:51 PM, HappyDays said:

I think if both Lamb and Ruggs make it to Denver at 15 we should seriously consider trading up to 16. It would probably take our 2nd. I love both of those prospects so much, part of me wouldn't even hate trading next year's 1st if that's what it takes to get above Denver. I know people would hate it because of how Sammy Watkins worked out but both Lamb and Ruggs are better prospects than he was IMO.

Love to have Ruggs, Higgins or Lamb at 16 in that order. I think GM should trade our 1st and 3rd for 19, then give Falcons 19 and 5th to get our WR.  We need to keep our 2nd for bruiser RB or quick edge.  I think giving up two picks after 2nd round would be worth it to get an elite WR.  Josh could become elite and very dangerous.  We would embarrass Pats. Can only dream.   Go Bills!!

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Love to have Ruggs, Higgins or Lamb at 16 in that order. I think GM should trade our 1st and 3rd for 19, then give Falcons 19 and 5th to get our WR.  We need to keep our 2nd for bruiser RB or quick edge.  I think giving up two picks after 2nd round would be worth it to get an elite WR.  Josh could become elite and very dangerous.  We would embarrass Pats. Can only dream.   Go Bills!!

Higgins > Lamb?  Sacrilege.

[HappyDays]

6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Higgins > Lamb?  Sacrilege.

 

Chris Trapasso has Tee Higgins as his #1 WR. He also had Mason Rudolph as his #1 QB in 2018 so take that for what it's worth.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chris Trapasso has Tee Higgins as his #1 WR. He also had Mason Rudolph as his #1 QB in 2018 so take that for what it's worth.

I just do not see it. Higgins is nice but Lamb does everything. Higgins is a 700 yard season player with a bad QB, Lamb still puts up 1000.

[Ga boy]

32 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Higgins > Lamb?  Sacrilege.

That’s what most say.  I see Higgins big like TO and Megatron.  Josh would love that.  Best case scenario would be to get him at 22.

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Ga boy said:

That’s what most say.  I see Higgins big like TO and Megatron.  Josh would love that.  Best case scenario would be to get him at 22.

Higgins will be Devin Funchess.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Higgins will be Devin Funchess.

No way.  His feet are waaaay better.

 

edit:  actually, he could become Funchess if he goes to Jacksonville 

Edited February 29, 2020 by NewEra

[BringBackOrton]

53 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No way.  His feet are waaaay better.

 

edit:  actually, he could become Funchess if he goes to Jacksonville 

Tee didn't run in the combine presumably because he is going to run in the high 4.5's - 4.6's and he and his agent know it. Big and slow is no way to gt drafted in the first round of the NFL.

Edited February 29, 2020 by BringBackOrton

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Tee didn't run in the combine presumably because he is going to run in the high 4.5's - 4.6's and he and his agent know it. Big and slow is no way to gt drafted in the first round of the NFL.

He has much better feet than Funchess.  He has a good release and good RAC ability.  They aren’t the same player

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, NewEra said:

He has much better feet than Funchess.  He has a good release and good RAC ability.  They aren’t the same player

Fair enough.  I just think they will have similar careers.  I don't see Higgins producing all that well at the NFL level.

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Fair enough.  I just think they will have similar careers.  I don't see Higgins producing all that well at the NFL level.

Many had same take on Metcalf last year and  we wouldn’t be drafting a WR if he was a Bill. Think we’d be lucky if he’s still there at 22.  If he is and we don’t nab him, I’ll cry a river.

[C.Biscuit97]

On 2/20/2020 at 6:35 PM, Bangarang said:

Remember the last time we traded up in a deep WR class? 

I still argue on a better passing team and with better health, Watkins is a top 5 receiver.  But yeah, trading up for a player in a dependent position like receiver in a deep class is a bad move.  
 

the thing I love about this draft is if Allen is the real deal, we could get a guy late in the 1st or 2nd who could outperform a high 1st rounder. 

[BringBackOrton]

17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I still argue on a better passing team and with better health, Watkins is a top 5 receiver.  But yeah, trading up for a player in a dependent position like receiver in a deep class is a bad move.  
 

the thing I love about this draft is if Allen is the real deal, we could get a guy late in the 1st or 2nd who could outperform a high 1st rounder. 

It was a fine move.  It didn't work out, but it was fine.  In a "deep class" like the 2014 draft, 12 WRs went in the 1st and 2nd round.  7 of them have not made a Pro Bowl.  10 of them are not on the teams that drafted them.  3 of them are out of the league.

 

Even deep classes are still crap shoots.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

Many had same take on Metcalf last year and  we wouldn’t be drafting a WR if he was a Bill. Think we’d be lucky if he’s still there at 22.  If he is and we don’t nab him, I’ll cry a river.

 

Metcalf is a MUCH better athlete than Higgins.    That lack of athleticism--in a WR class chock full of it--is one of the biggest negatives I have with him at #22 (along with some route inflexibility/explosion limitations).   

 

Pick 40 to 56 is another matter, however, as that would be a better value slot for him.   I think he'll slide into Round 2, given how strong this overall draft class is.   If the Bills like him enough, trading up to the first half of round 2 to get him would be OK.    Just not at #22...

[Ga boy]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

Metcalf is a MUCH better athlete than Higgins.    That lack of athleticism--in a WR class chock full of it--is one of the biggest negatives I have with him at #22 (along with some route inflexibility/explosion limitations).   

 

Pick 40 to 56 is another matter, however, as that would be a better value slot for him.   I think he'll slide into Round 2, given how strong this overall draft class is.   If the Bills like him enough, trading up to the first half of round 2 to get him would be OK.    Just not at #22...

Most mocks put him in first.  I like his size.  If he can do 4.4 as some say, he might not last til 22.  Go Bills!!

[rayray808]

Why draft Higgins when we can sign Funchess... the answer is move up a little bit for Ruggs, or move up a lot for Lamb.

 

Dassitt

[BobbyC81]

Well, if not Ceedee Lamb, there’s always Bob Lamb.  Is he still on this board?

[Jumpsuit Jim]

An example: Randy Moss (one of the top 3 receivers of all time) was selected Round 1, #21 in the 1998 draft. The last pick of the third round that year? Hines Ward. 
 

Query: Is it logical to mortgage the future for a Moss when a Ward is available later on? 

[JoPoy88]

15 minutes ago, Jumpsuit Jim said:

An example: Randy Moss (one of the top 3 receivers of all time) was selected Round 1, #21 in the 1998 draft. The last pick of the third round that year? Hines Ward. 
 

Query: Is it logical to mortgage the future for a Moss when a Ward is available later on? 

i agree with you but that’s a bad example on top of being anecdotal. If ceedee is the next moss then absolutely YES you move up for him, regardless of how many Hines Ward (!?!) clones may be behind him. You move and take a next Randy Moss because Randy Moss is the 2nd best receiver of all time. 

[Reed83HOF]

19 minutes ago, Jumpsuit Jim said:

An example: Randy Moss (one of the top 3 receivers of all time) was selected Round 1, #21 in the 1998 draft. The last pick of the third round that year? Hines Ward. 
 

Query: Is it logical to mortgage the future for a Moss when a Ward is available later on? 

An example: Tom Brady (one of the top 3 Qbs of all time) was selected Round 6, Pick #199 in the 2000 draft. The 18th pick of the first round that year? Chad Pennington

 

Query: is it logical to even read this post?

 

 

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

i agree with you but that’s a bad example on top of being anecdotal. If ceedee is the next moss then absolutely YES you move up for him, regardless of how many Hines Ward (!?!) clones may be behind him. You move and take a next Randy Moss because Randy Moss is the 2nd best receiver of all time. 

 

The problem is.....nobody knows. If they knew Randy Moss was “Randy Moss”, he never would have lasted to #21. (I know, he had background issues, but the fact remains.)

 

I love our owners and FO and trust they will go all out to find the studs in the draft. I also feel sorry for any Bengals fans out there. This is not a good time to go cheap on scouting. Cheap young talent is your lifeblood, and I like what the current regime has done so far. 

 

 

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Edited March 2, 2020 by Augie

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

The problem is.....nobody knows. I they knew Randy Moss was “Randy Moss”, he never would have lasted to #21. (I know, he had background issues, but the fact remains.)

 

I love our owners and FO and trust they will go all out to find the studs in the draft. I also feel sorry for any Bengals fans out there. This is not a good time to go cheap on scouting. Cheap young talent is your lifeblood, and I like what the current regime has done so far. 

of course and that’s why i said it was a ridiculous example. Just the fact that he compared Moss and Ward and suggested they were even the slightest bit comparable is ludicrous. But like you said no one knows if Lamb is going to be anywhere near Moss. In fact chances are he won’t be.

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The problem is.....nobody knows. If they knew Randy Moss was “Randy Moss”, he never would have lasted to #21. (I know, he had background issues, but the fact remains.)

 

I love our owners and FO and trust they will go all out to find the studs in the draft. I also feel sorry for any Bengals fans out there. This is not a good time to go cheap on scouting. Cheap young talent is your lifeblood, and I like what the current regime has done so far. 

 

 

.

Moss was a bit different, he had the production but it was other things:

 

 

 

http://thecomeback.com/freezingcoldtakes/nfl/no-one-wanted-to-draft-randy-moss.html

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Moss was a bit different, he had the production but it was other things:

 

 

 

http://thecomeback.com/freezingcoldtakes/nfl/no-one-wanted-to-draft-randy-moss.html

 

Hey, but he played when he wanted to play!   

 

I don’t know how he ever got a broadcasting job. Supreme talent, but hard to get past some of that other stuff. Surely there are better options. I don’t like to judge, but he’s got a lot of demerits in his background, including on the field. 

[Lurker]

7 hours ago, Jumpsuit Jim said:

An example: Randy Moss (one of the top 3 receivers of all time) was selected Round 1, #21 in the 1998 draft. The last pick of the third round that year? Hines Ward. 
 

Query: Is it logical to mortgage the future for a Moss when a Ward is available later on? 

 

[ScorpionZero]

my last argument for Lamb after trading for Diggs. 

This year's 2nd and 4th, next year's 1st and 3rd to move up with Cleveland to 10 and grab Lamb. When playing out of 4 wide, brown and him could be interchangeable. Lamb outside running a 15 yard comeback route while brown runs a seem post, Diggs running a 9 on the left and Beasley running a crosser. Who do you double, who do you cover. If you double outside in a 2 deep look, browns got a touchdown. If you quarters Beasley is open, if you 3 deep Lamb is open on the come back.

With Lamb in the offense, we become unstoppable. With a roster as complete as ours, its time to take chances for impact players. I know you'll say it affects us long term from a draft standpoint but only for one year. The way that Beane uses free agency the draft becomes less important. 

 

 

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, ScorpionZero said:

my last argument for Lamb after trading for Diggs. 

This year's 2nd and 4th, next year's 1st and 3rd to move up with Cleveland to 10 and grab Lamb. When playing out of 4 wide, brown and him could be interchangeable. Lamb outside running a 15 yard comeback route while brown runs a seem post, Diggs running a 9 on the left and Beasley running a crosser. Who do you double, who do you cover. If you double outside in a 2 deep look, browns got a touchdown. If you quarters Beasley is open, if you 3 deep Lamb is open on the come back.

With Lamb in the offense, we become unstoppable. With a roster as complete as ours, its time to take chances for impact players. I know you'll say it affects us long term from a draft standpoint but only for one year. The way that Beane uses free agency the draft becomes less important. 

 

 

Come back to Earth

Edited April 4, 2020 by Bangarang

[ScorpionZero]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Come back to Earth

Earth's boring, I've been there. 

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

my last argument for Lamb after trading for Diggs. 

This year's 2nd and 4th, next year's 1st and 3rd to move up with Cleveland to 10 and grab Lamb. When playing out of 4 wide, brown and him could be interchangeable. Lamb outside running a 15 yard comeback route while brown runs a seem post, Diggs running a 9 on the left and Beasley running a crosser. Who do you double, who do you cover. If you double outside in a 2 deep look, browns got a touchdown. If you quarters Beasley is open, if you 3 deep Lamb is open on the come back.

With Lamb in the offense, we become unstoppable. With a roster as complete as ours, its time to take chances for impact players. I know you'll say it affects us long term from a draft standpoint but only for one year. The way that Beane uses free agency the draft becomes less important. 

 

 

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