Rico Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...same way he would about Whaley, right?......... Whaley was 2 degrees of separation away from Ralph (aka THE Root of All Evil), so the answer is obviously yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Not relevant to the question asked. That's your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 wow....---pegula ever so slightly 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The Bengals had 4-6 regional scouts in there front office for years. Still do That's cheap He's a HoF owner yea his track record speaks for itself 2 AFL titles 4 AFC championships, HoF players and a legacy of the Bills Not every team can win the SB yearly.. we struggled for 17 years because we didn't have a QB ralph was awful.....over 50 years the bills there were few worse franchises.lions,jets,dolphins,browns,bengals,chargers.thats about it. 24th out of 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tcali said: wow....---pegula ever so slightly ralph was awful.....over 50 years the bills there were few worse franchises.lions,jets,dolphins,browns,bengals,chargers.thats about it. 24th out of 30 In 100 years of NFL football only 15 owners have the privilege of being a HoFr Ralph is 1 Lions , Jets, Dolphin's, browns , Bengals, charger's, Texans, Titans, Cardinals , Panthers , falcons , saint's have all been all around worse since the Bills inception and I can argue other teams https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2662347-nfls-greatest-franchise-rankings-success.amp.html This list has the Bills top 10 as a football franchise. Is it gospel? No , but it shows we are alot better than 24th as a franchise Edited February 7, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The Bengals had 4-6 regional scouts in there front office for years. Still do That's cheap He's a HoF owner yea his track record speaks for itself 2 AFL titles 4 AFC championships, HoF players and a legacy of the Bills Not every team can win the SB yearly.. we struggled for 17 years because we didn't have a QB I completely disagree. The Bills lost for 17 years because Ralph repeatedly empowered the wrong people and was afraid to hire from the outside. From a football standpoint, Ralph was a terrible owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: I completely disagree. The Bills lost for 17 years because Ralph repeatedly empowered the wrong people and was afraid to hire from the outside. From a football standpoint, Ralph was a terrible owner He's one of 15 owners in 100 years enshrined forever. The NFL disagrees Edited February 7, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: That's your opinion. Hmmm, I guess that will work... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I think the Pegulas hit an absolute home run with their GM and coaching hires in 2017 with the Bills and that is probably the biggest if not the only factor to consider at this point. A lot of that is luck since you are at the mercy of who is available at the time you are in the market for these positions. They have not have had the same type of luck on the Sabres side when they need to fill those positions and unless there is a turnaround this season it looks likes they are still looking for that with the Sabres and that can take some time since you need to give those hires some time to see if they develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Not sure how we can compare Ralph a football owner to Terry a Hockey owner. better poll would have been Terry Pegula Sabres Owner or Terry Pegula Bills owner (yep two different styles from same person) It’s the same thing as James Dolan as NY Ranger owner vs James Dolan as NY Knicks owner. Jim knows nothing about hockey so he hires the best qualified candidate to run the team. Jim thinks he knows basketball so he hires people he’s comfortable with to run the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He's one of 15 owners in 100 years enshrined forever. The NFL disagrees That’s more because of his longevity and his role as an early NFL opener. It’s not because of the good decisions he’s made. He’s made a lot more BAD decisions than good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Without Ralph Wilson we wouldn't have a team for Terry Pegula to buy. Without Pete Rozelle, Ralph wouldn’t own the Bills. Who cares!? That’s not what I’m asking 22 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: It’s the same thing as James Dolan as NY Ranger owner vs James Dolan as NY Knicks owner. Jim knows nothing about hockey so he hires the best qualified candidate to run the team. Jim thinks he knows basketball so he hires people he’s comfortable with to run the team. That’s why I asked this question - Ralph was the same way with the Bills, as Terry is with the Sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: That’s more because of his longevity and his role as an early NFL opener. It’s not because of the good decisions he’s made. He’s made a lot more BAD decisions than good I never said he was perfect but we can agree to disagree.. and he is in the NFL HoF for his contributions and success in the game Part of the "foolish club" , won 2 AFL titles, The Bills won more games in the 90s than ANY AFC TEAM, more games than ANY TEAM not named San Francisco 4 straight AFC championships And a world class good guy RIP Ralph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Better owner? Terry Pegula - Sabres Kim Pegula - Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 whos ralph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Ralph was cheap, Terry has given the Sabres everything he can financially. They just suck Terry has been great for adding to his holdings, but what in particular with the teams has been big investments? They haven't exactly broken the bank on GMs or coaches. The jersey debacle for the Sabres is just embarrassing and points to an out of touch owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: This is super deceiving - the three men you mentioned were paid through the salary cap. Ralph HAD to spend that money and it was fully guaranteed and subsidized by the NFL TV’s contract. Ralph WAS cheap when it came to coaches, GM’s and other front office hired. His track record speaks for itself Clearly you don't have to spend that money. There is more than enough cap space left to prove your point is incorrect. All of the teams make money, but I don't see any reason to believe the Bills are spending more especially when they are under the cap and neither the coach or GM are near the top salary wise. This shouldn't even be a hard decision for folks on this board. The Sabres are the worst they have ever been in franchise history since Pegula took over. There isn't even light at the end of the tunnel and need another rebuild just to look decent. The Bills with Ralph had long periods of success and even during the no playoff stretch there were still periods where they we close to being a playoff team. Edited February 7, 2020 by Trogdor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Terry. Ralph's greatest claim is not moving the team, which isn't a whole lot. And lucking out by hiring the right people for a change in Polian and Marv but he even screwed that up eventually. Edited February 7, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Terry. Ralph's greatest claim is not moving the team, which isn't a whole lot. Sheeesh. I think you better look back into the history of the franchise a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Trogdor said: Clearly you don't have to spend that money. There is more than enough cap space left to prove your point is incorrect. All of the teams make money, but I don't see any reason to believe the Bills are spending more especially when they are under the cap and neither the coach or GM are near the top salary wise. This shouldn't even be a hard decision for folks on this board. The Sabres are the worst they have ever been in franchise history since Pegula took over. There isn't even light at the end of the tunnel and need another rebuild just to look decent. The Bills with Ralph had long periods of success and even during the no playoff stretch there were still periods where they we close to being a playoff team. Wrong.... you have to spend 89% of your salary cap. It’s required. So I guess that spending slightly over the salary cap floor is proof that Ralph wasn’t cheap, eh? Solid logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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