The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[3rdnlng]

43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve never been convinced of the whole Korean testing story. How did they have tests for a disease no one had ever tested for before?

They had cases earlier than anyone else other than China. Being China's neighbor they expect this kindofshit. To compare our response to that of South Korea would presume that we are at the same stage as they are. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

29 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

This is incorrect. 

 

South Korea did minimal social distancing. 

 

They did extensive trace testing (they did 200k tests in the time the US did 1k) and they identified who had the virus and then they quarantined them. 

 

There are two ways to contain this.

 

1. Lock everything down, extreme social distancing.

 

2. Massive testing

 

South Korea took door #2. 

 

Cuomo wasn't getting a daily briefings from the CDC on the COVID-19 outbreak in December and January.

There's supposed to be a reason these things are centrally directed by the Federal Government. 

 

Imagine if another country attacked the USA, would it fall on the Governors to organize the military defense?

 

Of course not!!!

Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.  New Rochelle was locked down in early March.  When was the city a few miles away with 9,000,000 inhabitants living in exceptionally close proximity to one another, where people thrive on a mass transit system that accelerated the transmission of the virus shut down?  I’ll wait while you look it up.
 

By the way, Cuomo has overseen the designation of NYS as a sanctuary state in  violation of federal law.  When the tax laws changed, he actively sought out schemes to bypass the regulations as it related to SALT deductions, in a gambit that likely would have landed ordinary Americans in hot water with the tax man.  He’s made a mess of the NYS REAL ID/enhanced license because of his decision to disregard federal guidelines for issuance of drivers licenses.  He’s threatened to interfere with lawful enforcement of immigrations and customs agents, again defying the feds and sending a big FU to Washington.

 

Suddenly though, on testing, he’s a $#@&ing Boy Scout?  Or...is he just an exceptionally weak leader? 
 

 Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. (It needed to be said twice)

Edited April 1, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Rob's House]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

If we were Haiti, we should have used all of our economic might. Where we rank is irrelevant, but then you know that. We could have used The test from the WHO, Germany, or South Korea.

 

Just fkn around w/ the ranking bit.

 

The part I'm curious about is specifically what we could have done differently, because I really don't know. 

 

It sounds easy to say just push production, but I don't know to what extent that's even possible. Even throwing everything into it, what facilities exist that can pump these out, what's the maximum capacity, and how quickly can we increase production?

 

I doubt it's as simple as the President telling his people to get it done, but I don't really know. 

 

JRober has all the answers, but for some reason he's holding out on us.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Peoples lives are more important. 

 

The economy will eventually recover.

 

Once you're dead, you're dead. 

Again, this virus doesn’t kill everyone that gets it. Not even close. The economy may not recover anytime soon as it is. Locking down since January would have been a complete catastrophe. Any speculation on what could have been done is simply speculation. We are a free country and what you are describing is unrealistic in America. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, meazza said:

 

I think Trump will survive because the alternative will prove to be inept.  Seems like the Canadians are still happy with Trudeau.

 

The European leaders will be a mess though.  In Italy, the government isn't helping the people much.  

 

Agreed. 

 

Biden is completely useless. Regardless of what the polls say I can't see him winning unless this completely spirals out of control and 250,000 people are dead by November and the economy is in a depression. 

 

Trudeau benefits from the Trump circus. No one is paying attention to what he's doing, which hasn't been much. 

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

There won’t be an economy for the healthy, that will be the disaster. 

As long as humans live there will be an economy. Might not be the same one we had, and for a lot of people that would be preferable

 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

As long as humans live there will be an economy. Might not be the same one we had, and for a lot of people that would be preferable

 

It won’t be nearly the same. For most people that will not be a good thing at all. 

[jrober38]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Again, this virus doesn’t kill everyone that gets it. Not even close. The economy may not recover anytime soon as it is. Locking down since January would have been a complete catastrophe. Any speculation on what could have been done is simply speculation. We are a free country and what you are describing is unrealistic in America. 

 

Please don't tell me you're pro life. 

[Q-baby!]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Again, this virus doesn’t kill everyone that gets it. Not even close. The economy may not recover anytime soon as it is. Locking down since January would have been a complete catastrophe. Any speculation on what could have been done is simply speculation. We are a free country and what you are describing is unrealistic in America. 

So you are ok with it killing the ones that are at risk because that is a lot. The economy will bounce back, grandma won’t. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Just fkn around w/ the ranking bit.

 

The part I'm curious about is specifically what we could have done differently, because I really don't know. 

 

It sounds easy to say just push production, but I don't know to what extent that's even possible. Even throwing everything into it, what facilities exist that can pump these out, what's the maximum capacity, and how quickly can we increase production?

 

I doubt it's as simple as the President telling his people to get it done, but I don't really know. 

 

JRober has all the answers, but for some reason he's holding out on us.

I’m starting to think jrobs is Chris Cuomo, he’s carrying so much water for the gov he has to be related. 

[Boatdrinks]

23 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Please don't tell me you're pro life. 

No, I wouldn’t describe myself that way at all.  However, it’s not the most important issue to me. I’ve voted for Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton twice. (Bill) .Did not vote for Obama or Hillary. The social issues haven’t been such a big deal for me personally. I think the left has gotten out of control since the millennium. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.  New Rochelle was locked down in early March.  When was the city a few miles away with 9,000,000 inhabitants living in exceptionally close proximity to one another, where people thrive on a mass transit system that accelerated the transmission of the virus shut down?  I’ll wait while you look it up.
 

By the way, Cuomo has overseen the designation of NYS as a sanctuary state in  isolation of federal law.  When the tax laws changed, he actively sought out schemes to bypass the regulations as it related to SALT deductions, in a gambit that likely would have landed ordinary Americans in hot water with the tax man.  He’s made a mess of the NYS REAL ID/enhanced license because of his decision to disregard federal guidelines for issuance of drivers licenses.  He’s threatened to interfere with lawful enforcement of immigrations and customs agents, again defying the feds and sending a big FU to Washington.

 

Suddenly though, on testing, he’s a $#@&ing Boy Scout?  Or...is he just an exceptionally weak leader? 
 

 Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. (It needed to be said twice)

 

Hey, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

 

[3rdnlng]

19 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Doctors had to get permission from the CDC to test people.

No, the CDC had to give give permission to use state and private labs to evaluate the samples, which they did. 

[Boatdrinks]

35 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

So you are ok with it killing the ones that are at risk because that is a lot. The economy will bounce back, grandma won’t. 

The vulnerable can isolate. There are things that can be done. Not “ ok “ with any virus killing people but it happens . The economy won’t magically bounce back in short order whenever it opens back up. The longer it’s closed down, the worse it will be. It’s not a great choice here, but that’s where we are. It’s a war. In past wars , the  few ( still a lot) made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the many. Now, there’s a mentality that most should sacrifice all for the good of the few. I just cannot agree with that. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

The vulnerable can isolate. There are things that can be done. The economy won’t magically bounce back in short order whenever it opens back up. The longer it’s closed down, the worse it will be. It’s not a great choice here, but that’s where we are. It’s a war. In past wars , the  few ( still a lot) made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the many. Now, there’s a mentality that most should sacrifice all for the good of the few. I just cannot agree with that. 

You’re a selfish prick then. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Q-baby! said:

You’re a selfish prick then. 

I don’t see it that way, but hey suit yourself. 

[keepthefaith]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

 

 

The Federal Government sat around and did nothing for 6 weeks after health officials raised the alarm in late January.

 

 

 

Wrong as usual.

 

1/30 announcement of CV task force.  And the task force was not the beginning of Fed gov activity on the Virus.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-announces-coronavirus-task-force

Edited April 1, 2020 by keepthefaith

[Q-baby!]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Wrong as usual.

 

1/30 announcement of CV task force.  And the task force was not the beginning of Fed gov activity on the Virus.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-announces-coronavirus-task-force

And then Trump proceeds to tell the country “we got this *****.” Zero cases in a few days! Nice work! 

[billsfan1959]

Parental controls must have been turned off on a number of computers as children have taken over this thread. I’ll check back in tomorrow and, hopefully, the adults will have returned 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

17 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Hey, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

 

Will do, champ. 

[Q-baby!]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Parental controls must have been turned off on a number of computers as children have taken over this thread. I’ll check back in tomorrow and, hopefully, the adults will have returned 

Wash your lady parts! 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Q-baby!

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

Haha China looks like liars. I'm a pissed off mood since earlier. All I heard all day was cheating from people rather than coronavirus. It's in my town not many people talk about older people. Rather cheating. Don't get me started i'm pissed off. 

[TPS]

58 minutes ago, GG said:

That is patently false and rewriting history.  If your position was correct, then Cuomo and Diblasio would have been banging the table in February for more testing.   Instead they told everyone to carry on with their lives, but be vigilant.  The city and state officials also didn't take it seriously until early March. 

 

South Korea didn't stem the decline due to tesing.  They did it by staying away from one another, wearing masks and keeping very clean.  

The first known case in NY was identified March 1st, while de blasio was still telling people to go about their business that week, I don't think you can say the same about Cuomo.  He declared a state of emergency 6 days later.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, TPS said:

The first known case in NY was identified March 1st, while de blasio was still telling people to go about their business that week, I don't think you can say the same about Cuomo.  He declared a state of emergency 6 days later.

They’re both morons. DeBlasio wants prison cells to have kitchenettes and individual A/C ( not making it up) and Cuomo released 1200 “ non violent “ inmates last Friday night including some sex offenders. Two horrendous individuals. 

[3rdnlng]

All this arguing about how things could have been handled here in a better manner and it's crickets about the real culprits of this scourge, the CCP and WHO. They are complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands or more across the world. 

[Rob's House]

I try not to think about what might have been, cuz that was then, and we have taken different roads. We can't go back again. There's no use giving in. And there's no way to know what might have been.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

All this arguing about how things could have been handled here in a better manner and it's crickets about the real culprits of this scourge, the CCP and WHO. They are complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands or more across the world. 

Agreed. I’m fine with the Federal response here ; perhaps states with hotspots could have been on it faster. None seemed prepared with supplies to deal with this. It’s an outside problem that got here eventually. 

[Q-baby!]

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Agreed. I’m fine with the Federal response here ; perhaps states with hotspots could have been on it faster. None seemed prepared with supplies to deal with this. It’s an outside problem that got here eventually. 

Of course. ???  Trump ball washers everywhere. Unbelievable, yet totally believable. ???

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Of course. ???  Trump ball washers everywhere. Unbelievable, yet totally believable. ???

 

Jesus, hell i'm not the best Trump supporter everyone knows here. Post when he does well. You're post's are just crap. I would say a swear word bit don't wanna be banned. Just letting you know. You're content is full of crap. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Jesus, hell i'm not the best Trump supporter everyone knows here. Post when he does well. You're post's are just crap. I would say a swear word bit don't wanna be banned. Just letting you know. You're content is full of crap. 

Thanks princess! Did Donnie touch you? 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

All this arguing about how things could have been handled here in a better manner and it's crickets about the real culprits of this scourge, the CCP and WHO. They are complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands or more across the world. 

 

Agree man

[TPS]

Yes, let's not look at the past and cast blame; however, I would suggest going back a month to see who was taking the trump line from the start, like comparing it to the flu, or posting how few deaths there were, then also look and see who took it seriously...

 

[Rob's House]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Jesus, hell i'm not the best Trump supporter everyone knows here. Post when he does well. You're post's are just crap. I would say a swear word bit don't wanna be banned. Just letting you know. You're content is full of crap. 

 

The rules are relaxed down here.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Thanks princess! Did Donnie touch you? 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

They were already saying they were on the verge of bankruptcy after a couple weeks. After a couple of weeks millions of people were already laid off across the nation. Corporations had no rainy day fund but we expect it of people scraping by on poverty wages? Come on, man.

I was actually pleasantly surprised at the extra unemployment benefits in that bill.  What more do you think should've been in the bill?

Edited April 1, 2020 by Doc Brown

[Q-baby!]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Easy buddy! Nobody said to post selfies here. FFS! 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Q-baby! said:

Easy buddy! Nobody said to post selfies here. FFS! 

 

Na looks like you. I can already see it internet tough guy. Stop lying!

2 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Easy buddy! Nobody said to post selfies here. FFS! 

[ComradeKayAdams]

1 hour ago, dubs said:

Is this Karl Marx?  Proletariat?  
 

if people accept no responsibility for themselves they will be given none. There is no argument from me on crony capitalism, none. It surely exists. But rather than peddle Marxist BS, maybe go the other way and argue for more freedom and acceptance of that responsibility. 
 

 

 

Well I'm glad everyone here at least seems to understand the dangerous potential for crony capitalism in the coronavirus bailout bill. When the time comes, will we put away partisan bickering and push every single elected politician for the necessarily strict oversight? I have my doubts, but maybe I'm being too cynical.

 

Regarding your statements on the need for more individual responsibility: there's no doubt a lot of truth to it for many Americans. But I also think you are generalizing too much here to the point that you may be ignoring the fundamental flaws with our current economic system. It’s hard for many to financially prepare for emergencies like this pandemic when wage growth isn’t keeping up with costs of living, health care, education, etc…

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

The vulnerable can isolate. There are things that can be done. Not “ ok “ with any virus killing people but it happens . The economy won’t magically bounce back in short order whenever it opens back up. The longer it’s closed down, the worse it will be. It’s not a great choice here, but that’s where we are. It’s a war. In past wars , the  few ( still a lot) made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the many. Now, there’s a mentality that most should sacrifice all for the good of the few. I just cannot agree with that. 

Are you aware that completely healthy people with no underlying conditions in their 20s and 30s are dying? Even at a best care scenario of 1.5%, you're talking 5.25M dead Americans and 112.5M dead globally. you might as well just drop a ****ing atomic bomb on your own people. It's essentially the same thing. The economy is a figment of our collective imagination. It only exists, or ceases to, because we all agree that it's the case. If we all wanted to, the S&P 500 could go to 3 Billion or 0 on any random tuesday. Unfortunately, human life doesn't have that same luxury.

You want to risk your life for a make believe economy that doesn't even serve you when it works? Go ahead. I've got better things to die for.

[Q-baby!]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Na looks like you. I can already see it internet tough guy. Stop lying!

Right on man!