The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Governor]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Again so people flip when states require ID to vote but think it’s a good idea to have ID to leave their house? 

Your voter ID example doesn’t work.

 

You’re trying to require an ID, which isn’t required, for someone to exercise their right to vote.

 

 

We would be requiring a vaccine to have a license and register a car, which is a privilege, not a right.

 

You’d still have the freedom to not get the vaccine. You just can’t drive or register a car. Pretty basic.

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, Governor said:

Your voter ID example doesn’t work.

 

You’re trying to require an ID, which isn’t required, for someone to exercise their right to vote.

 

 

We would be requiring a vaccine to have a license and register a car, which is a privilege, not a right.

 

You’d still have the freedom to not get the vaccine. You just can’t drive or register a car. Pretty basic.

 

 

 

You keep saying we like you're in charge. You're trying to interfere in people's life like a communist or fascist

 

And what does driving have to do with having a vaccine?  you're stretching  ...

 

Nobody will make that a law,  not even your crazy communists you idolize 

 

I was given the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness by God not the Democratic party of America 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

People with outstanding warrants.  Seriously, Ohio kept it insanely simple.  Name and email gets you a QR code.  Scan code at appointment to receive shot.  My wife was offered through her English class and they emphasized no ID needed and no immigration agents would be there.

You've got a good governor there in Ohio.

[Chef Jim]

31 minutes ago, Governor said:

Your voter ID example doesn’t work.

 

You’re trying to require an ID, which isn’t required, for someone to exercise their right to vote.

 

 

We would be requiring a vaccine to have a license and register a car, which is a privilege, not a right.

 

You’d still have the freedom to not get the vaccine. You just can’t drive or register a car. Pretty basic.

 

 

 

No you’re requiring a vaccine to leave your house and you can’t leave your house without your ID that shows you’ve been vaccinated 

 

 

[Governor]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You keep saying we like you're in charge. You're trying to interfere in people's life like a communist or fascist

 

And what does driving have to do with having a vaccine?  you're stretching  ...

 

Nobody will make that a law,  not even your crazy communists you idolize 

 

I was given the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness by God not the Democratic party of America 

 

 

I was just pointing out that his analogy isn’t logical.

 

Would it really be worth Dems trouble to take it that far? I doubt it. We know what group won’t get vaccinated. Politically speaking, why would they want that group vaccinated? 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

I was just pointing out that his analogy isn’t logical.

 

Would it really be worth Dems trouble to take it that far? I doubt it. We know what group won’t get vaccinated. Politically speaking, why would they want that group vaccinated? 

Every genocide started with " a group" 

 

You're trying to segregate people.. we're All American

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every genocide started with " a group" 

 

You're trying to segregate people.. we're All American

Giving you the freedom to not be vaccinated is genocide?

 

You can’t have it both ways. They want to be free and they should be free. This is America.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Giving you the freedom to not be vaccinated is genocide?

 

You can’t have it both ways. They want to be free and they should be free. This is America.

No singling out a group of people and taking away their life or ability to make a livelihood is how genocide starts  

 

And marking them out as a separate group of society. Play by play straight from the book

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Governor]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

No singling out a group of people and taking away their life is how genocide starts 

 

I don’t believe the vaccine is being withheld from any certain group. They are refusing to take it. They want to be free.

 

So that’s the plan? They want to refuse the vaccine and then claim the country is trying to kill them?

 

Yup, I guess I should’ve seen that coming.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

I don’t believe the vaccine is being withheld from any certain group. They are refusing to take it. They want to be free.

 

So that’s the plan? They want to refuse the vaccine and then claim the country is trying to kill them?

 

Yup, I guess I should’ve seen that coming.

This isn't communist China

 

The country just cannot force vaccinate you. And they cannot take away your right to a life

 

As I've already said over 40 states have exemptions from vaccinations. Stupid liberal ones have taken away your freedoms and it doesn't make it right 

 

You have a 99.7% chance of not dying from covid without the vaccine.. you can't force people to take it

Edited May 14, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

This isn't communist China

 

The country just cannot force vaccinate you. And they cannot take away your right to a life

 

As I've already said over 40 states have exemptions from vaccinations. Stupid liberal ones have taken away your freedoms and it doesn't make it right 

 

You have a 99.7% chance of not dying from covid without the vaccine.. you can't force people to take it

Just making sure that when we go on with our lives and forget that a certain group refused to get vaccinated, they won’t turn around and call it genocide. I’m glad we understand each other.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Governor said:

Just making sure that when we go on with our lives and forget that a certain group refused to get vaccinated, they won’t turn around and call it genocide. I’m glad we understand each other.

Yeah if everybody agrees to just live life

 

What if I'm vaccinated and I'm just sticking up for the human rights of others? Because nobody should have their livelihood threatened

 

Especially not because of a novel coronavirus.. so yeah when people's rights are starting to get taken away it becomes a sketchy slope

 

 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah if everybody agrees to just live life

 

What if I'm vaccinated and I'm just sticking up for the human rights of others? Because nobody should have their livelihood threatened

 

Especially not because of a novel coronavirus.. so yeah when people's rights are starting to get taken away it becomes a sketchy slope

 

 

They’re livelihood threatened by being forced to take a vaccine, or being forgotten when everyone else is vaccinated and they start dying?

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

They’re livelihood threatened by being forced to take a vaccine, or being forgotten when everyone else is vaccinated and they start dying?

 

Their livelihood being threatened by being forced to take vaccine..  AKA you need the vaccine or you can't work

 

That doesn't fly

 

If the unvaccinated all wind up dropping Dead in 5 years because they didn't get it.. well they die , like all humans do

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Their livelihood being threatened by being forced to take vaccine..  AKA you need the vaccine or you can't work

 

That doesn't fly

 

If the unvaccinated all wind up dropping Dead in 5 years because they didn't get it.. well they die , like all humans do

I assume most businesses will be doing that on their own. On the news earlier, they said the WH was “handing down those responsibilities to industry.”

 

1 year from now:

 

FOX: Biden Administration pulls Vaccine Awareness Campaign from WH.gov in a blatant attempt to kill Republicans.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Governor said:

I assume most businesses will be doing that on their own. On the news earlier, they said the WH was “handing down those responsibilities to industry.”

 

1 year from now:

 

FOX: Biden Administration pulls Vaccine Awareness Campaign from WH.gov in a blatant attempt to kill Republicans.

 

 

I know plenty of business owners who don't give two craps about a mask or vaccine

[Big Blitz]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

 

Literally nothing changed yesterday.

 

Because Biden is a coward. 

 

 

 

Hundreds of Epidemiologists Expected Mask-Wearing in Public for at Least a Year

 

 

The C.D.C. said Thursday that vaccinated Americans no longer needed masks in most places. Other disease experts recently had a different message: that masks were necessary in public.

 

When federal health officials said on Thursday that fully vaccinated Americans no longer needed to wear masks in most places, it came as a surprise to many people in public health. It also was a stark contrast with the views of a large majority of epidemiologists surveyed in the last two weeks by The New York Times.

 

In the informal survey, 80 percent said they thought Americans would need to wear masks in public indoor places for at least another year. Just 5 percent said people would no longer need to wear masks indoors by this summer.

 

In large crowds outdoors, like at a concert or protest, 88 percent of the epidemiologists said it was necessary even for fully vaccinated people to wear masks.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/upshot/epidemiologists-coronavirus-masks.html

Edited May 14, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Their livelihood being threatened by being forced to take vaccine..  AKA you need the vaccine or you can't work

 

That doesn't fly

 

If the unvaccinated all wind up dropping Dead in 5 years because they didn't get it.. well they die , like all humans do

just like if all the vaccinated drop dead in five years because of some unforeseen autoimmune response from this failed for decades, never used before mRNA technology and no long term studies...  same thing.. the world will keep spinning. 
 

I decided to get jabbed, but understand long term is unknown. Not sure I would agree to forcing kids who have little risk to get it. 

[oldmanfan]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I know plenty of business owners who don't give two craps about a mask or vaccine

And some will.  Some businesses like health care organizations may require vaccination as they do for the flu.  And you can either comply or find another job.

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

 

Literally nothing changed yesterday.

 

Because Biden is a coward. 

 

 

 

Hundreds of Epidemiologists Expected Mask-Wearing in Public for at Least a Year

 

 

The C.D.C. said Thursday that vaccinated Americans no longer needed masks in most places. Other disease experts recently had a different message: that masks were necessary in public.

 

When federal health officials said on Thursday that fully vaccinated Americans no longer needed to wear masks in most places, it came as a surprise to many people in public health. It also was a stark contrast with the views of a large majority of epidemiologists surveyed in the last two weeks by The New York Times.

 

In the informal survey, 80 percent said they thought Americans would need to wear masks in public indoor places for at least another year. Just 5 percent said people would no longer need to wear masks indoors by this summer.

 

In large crowds outdoors, like at a concert or protest, 88 percent of the epidemiologists said it was necessary even for fully vaccinated people to wear masks.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/upshot/epidemiologists-coronavirus-masks.html

The more vaccinations the less the reason for masks.  If we had 100% vaccinations and a completely open society you’d still complain.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

 

Literally nothing changed yesterday.

 

Because Biden is a coward. 

 

 

 

Hundreds of Epidemiologists Expected Mask-Wearing in Public for at Least a Year

 

 

The C.D.C. said Thursday that vaccinated Americans no longer needed masks in most places. Other disease experts recently had a different message: that masks were necessary in public.

 

When federal health officials said on Thursday that fully vaccinated Americans no longer needed to wear masks in most places, it came as a surprise to many people in public health. It also was a stark contrast with the views of a large majority of epidemiologists surveyed in the last two weeks by The New York Times.

 

In the informal survey, 80 percent said they thought Americans would need to wear masks in public indoor places for at least another year. Just 5 percent said people would no longer need to wear masks indoors by this summer.

 

In large crowds outdoors, like at a concert or protest, 88 percent of the epidemiologists said it was necessary even for fully vaccinated people to wear masks.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/upshot/epidemiologists-coronavirus-masks.html

Here's my problem with all these pronouncements.  And what's more important than what they're saying is what they're not saying.  Taking this last piece of the article,  "it was necessary to keep wearing masks in crowds, when people are near others whose vaccination status they don't know". 

 

So I got the Moderna vaccine and I am puzzled why the vaccination status of strangers matters to me?  Because the premise behind getting vaccinated against COVID is to not get sick from the COVID virus.  So even if there are un-vaccinated or COVID positive people in "the crowd" if the vaccine works I should not get infected.  So why should I care about the vaccination status of everyone in the crowd as long as I know I am protected?  I've done everything I can to make sure myself and everyone I have a responsibility for is protected to the best of my ability.  I've done my part here.  If others choose not to do that then that's the risk they take and that's their decision.  Free will and the right to choose.  I'm not responsible for them and its not my concern.  

 

So what are these epidemiologists implying here?  Are they saying the vaccines do not work?  Are they saying I can still carry and incubate the virus in my system even if I am vaccinated and have antibodies in my system that stop the virus from replicating?  Does the vaccine actually stop the virus from replicating or does it simply stop it from producing any of the symptoms of the infection?  We need more information than just opinions, conclusions, and recommendations of epidemiologists.  We need the details on the facts and the information they're using to reach their conclusions.    

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Here's my problem with all these pronouncements.  And what's more important than what they're saying is what they're not saying.  Taking this last piece of the article,  "it was necessary to keep wearing masks in crowds, when people are near others whose vaccination status they don't know". 

 

So I got the Moderna vaccine and I am puzzled why the vaccination status of strangers matters to me?  Because the premise behind getting vaccinated against COVID is to not get sick from the COVID virus.  So even if there are un-vaccinated or COVID positive people in "the crowd" if the vaccine works I should not get infected.  So why should I care about the vaccination status of everyone in the crowd as long as I know I am protected?  I've done everything I can to make sure myself and everyone I have a responsibility for is protected to the best of my ability.  I've done my part here.  If others choose not to do that then that's the risk they take and that's their decision.  Free will and the right to choose.  I'm not responsible for them and its not my concern.  

 

So what are these epidemiologists implying here?  Are they saying the vaccines do not work?  Are they saying I can still carry and incubate the virus in my system even if I am vaccinated and have antibodies in my system that stop the virus from replicating?  Does the vaccine actually stop the virus from replicating or does it simply stop it from producing any of the symptoms of the infection?  We need more information than just opinions, conclusions, and recommendations of epidemiologists.  We need the details on the facts and the information they're using to reach their conclusions.    

‘They’ don’t know answers to any of your questions.
 

A lot these things are dumbed down pseudo science.

 

Like wear a mask... not wear an n95 with a specific kind of filter proven to capture droplets or aerosol transporting the virus.  
 

Or stay 6 ft apart, not stay x ft from what sized human who has x lung capacity in what environment relative humidity air temperature and air recirculation.   you telling me you can’t sneeze spray more than 6 feet? 

 

The most scientific aspects of all the half measures are the specific hand washing guidelines and self isolation to reduce human contact and of course the very scientific vaccines, while albeit bringing numerous unknowns are certainly proven near term in their efficacy. 
 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Chef Jim]

6 hours ago, Governor said:

I assume most businesses will be doing that on their own. On the news earlier, they said the WH was “handing down those responsibilities to industry.”

 

1 year from now:

 

FOX: Biden Administration pulls Vaccine Awareness Campaign from WH.gov in a blatant attempt to kill Republicans.

 

 

You think businesses that have been ***** for over a year being required to either be shut down completely or reduced capacity are going to go with that?  Good luck. Ain’t gonna happen. 

[Big Blitz]

49 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Here's my problem with all these pronouncements.  And what's more important than what they're saying is what they're not saying.  Taking this last piece of the article,  "it was necessary to keep wearing masks in crowds, when people are near others whose vaccination status they don't know". 

 

So I got the Moderna vaccine and I am puzzled why the vaccination status of strangers matters to me?  Because the premise behind getting vaccinated against COVID is to not get sick from the COVID virus.  So even if there are un-vaccinated or COVID positive people in "the crowd" if the vaccine works I should not get infected.  So why should I care about the vaccination status of everyone in the crowd as long as I know I am protected?  I've done everything I can to make sure myself and everyone I have a responsibility for is protected to the best of my ability.  I've done my part here.  If others choose not to do that then that's the risk they take and that's their decision.  Free will and the right to choose.  I'm not responsible for them and its not my concern.  

 

So what are these epidemiologists implying here?  Are they saying the vaccines do not work?  Are they saying I can still carry and incubate the virus in my system even if I am vaccinated and have antibodies in my system that stop the virus from replicating?  Does the vaccine actually stop the virus from replicating or does it simply stop it from producing any of the symptoms of the infection?  We need more information than just opinions, conclusions, and recommendations of epidemiologists.  We need the details on the facts and the information they're using to reach their conclusions.    

 

 

 

More importantly.....where is this "1 more year" nonsense coming from?

 

No explanation

 

No justification 

 

They just think they run the country.  

 

That's why ceding power to bureaucrats is the greatest threat in the history of the republic.  You will now kind of maybe get your freedoms back (they will redefine those) with all sorts of caveats.  

[BillStime]

“Happy” Anniversary! 
 

 

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

More importantly.....where is this "1 more year" nonsense coming from?

 

No explanation

 

No justification 

 

They just think they run the country.  

 

That's why ceding power to bureaucrats is the greatest threat in the history of the republic.  You will now kind of maybe get your freedoms back (they will redefine those) with all sorts of caveats.  

But you voted for the guy who said he alone could fix anything and he knew more than the generals.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

17 minutes ago, BillStime said:

But you voted for the guy who said he alone could fix anything and he knew more than the generals.

 

You need to let go of this Trump obsession.  Your failure to move on here leads me to believe you might be secretly in love with this goofball.  After all you bring him up in all your posts.  Face the truth, he's gone now.  Maybe get some grief counseling or something?   

[BillStime]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

This isn't communist China

 

The country just cannot force vaccinate you. And they cannot take away your right to a life

 

As I've already said over 40 states have exemptions from vaccinations. Stupid liberal ones have taken away your freedoms and it doesn't make it right 

 

You have a 99.7% chance of not dying from covid without the vaccine.. you can't force people to take it

Just dropped my dog off at the groomers. The owner told me she had to close for 4 days last week because an unvaccinated employee got COVID.

 

She had to close for four days - pay for everyone to get tested - pay a professional to come sterilize her shop - her 10 hourly employees didn’t get paid and her business lost revenue because of this one incident.

 

“Don't be stupid - get vaccinated”

 

 

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You need to let go of this Trump obsession.  Your failure to move on here leads me to believe you might be secretly in love with this goofball.  After all you bring him up in all your posts.  Face the truth, he's gone now.  Maybe get some grief counseling or something?   

[BillStime]

Laughable - I need to move on from Trump and your party keeps pointing to the guy who lost the popular vote twice - impeached twice - lost the House, Senate and WH - incited an insurrection - as leader of the cult.

 

Look in the mirror all pro 

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Just dropped my dog off at the groomers. The owner told me she had to close for 4 days last week because an unvaccinated employee got COVID.

 

She had to close for four days - pay for everyone to get tested - pay a professional to come sterilize her shop - her 10 hourly employees didn’t get paid and her business lost revenue because of this one incident.

 

“Don't be stupid - get vaccinated”

 

 

Why did she have to close? Who said so? Or did she choose to close?

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Here's my problem with all these pronouncements.  And what's more important than what they're saying is what they're not saying.  Taking this last piece of the article,  "it was necessary to keep wearing masks in crowds, when people are near others whose vaccination status they don't know". 

 

So I got the Moderna vaccine and I am puzzled why the vaccination status of strangers matters to me?  Because the premise behind getting vaccinated against COVID is to not get sick from the COVID virus.  So even if there are un-vaccinated or COVID positive people in "the crowd" if the vaccine works I should not get infected.  So why should I care about the vaccination status of everyone in the crowd as long as I know I am protected?  I've done everything I can to make sure myself and everyone I have a responsibility for is protected to the best of my ability.  I've done my part here.  If others choose not to do that then that's the risk they take and that's their decision.  Free will and the right to choose.  I'm not responsible for them and its not my concern.  

 

So what are these epidemiologists implying here?  Are they saying the vaccines do not work?  Are they saying I can still carry and incubate the virus in my system even if I am vaccinated and have antibodies in my system that stop the virus from replicating?  Does the vaccine actually stop the virus from replicating or does it simply stop it from producing any of the symptoms of the infection?  We need more information than just opinions, conclusions, and recommendations of epidemiologists.  We need the details on the facts and the information they're using to reach their conclusions.    

The vaccination status to strangers matters because we are all incubators of the virus.  Viruses need hosts to propagate.  In vaccinated people the vaccine is very effective at blocking entry of virus into your cells.  Thus the more people vaccinated, the less availability of hosts for the virus, and the less virus to be spread.

 

The vaccines as I understand them create antibodies against the spike protein responsible for viral entry into cells.

[Governor]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

You think businesses that have been ***** for over a year being required to either be shut down completely or reduced capacity are going to go with that?  Good luck. Ain’t gonna happen. 

Why are you getting all freaked out? I doubt restaurants, etc., would do that for obvious reasons, but places like Verizon, other large companies In sure will have something in place for their own protection.

 

Remember, that liability protection thing Mitch wanted in the stimulus bills was never included.

[B-Man]

 

[BillStime]

23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why did she have to close? Who said so? Or did she choose to close?

 

State Law

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

But you voted for the guy who said he alone could fix anything and he knew more than the generals.

 

 

 

He got you the miracle vaccine.  So yes.  He did fix it.  And he was right about the testing.  He was right about contact tracing.  He was right about everything.  Its why you can't quit him.  The virus did the exact same thing everywhere all over the world the only difference is Trump refused to surrender the Constitution with a "strong national response."  But that's over your head I can explain that in another thread called Federalism and Liberty 101 for dummies.  

 

In addition to all that he brought you,

 

A Roaring economy 

 

3 fantastic SCOTUS Judges 

 

And exposed the media, Democrats, and Silicon Valley as the fascists they are.

 

 

And the Generals know how to fight wars.  

 

They don't know which ones we should be in or not.  The Guy you thought would start WWIII was the only POTUS in 40 years not to engage in any conflict anywhere.   

 

 

#Cult45Forever

 

We have more fun then the Mask Cult.  

Edited May 14, 2021 by Big Blitz

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

State Law

And there’s your problem 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He got you the miracle vaccine.  So yes.  He did fix it.  And he was right about the testing.  He was right about contact tracing.  He was right about everything.  Its why you can't quit him.  The virus did the exact same thing everywhere all over the world the only difference is Trump refused to surrender the Constitutional with a "strong national response."  But that's over your head I can explain that in another thread called Federalism and Liberty 101 for dummies.  

 

In addition to all that he brought you,

 

A Roaring economy 

 

3 fantastic SCOTUS Judges 

 

And exposed the media, Democrats, and Silicon Valley as the fascists they are.

 

 

And the Generals know how to fight wars.  

 

They don't know which ones we should be in or not.  The Guy you thought would start WWIII was the only POTUS in 40 years not to engage in any conflict anywhere.   

 

 

#Cult45Forever

 

We have more fun then the Mask Cult.  

 

500,000 Americans died when he denied and lied.  

 

"Pro" Life CULT

 

 

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

And there’s your problem 

 

I know - we have a Republican governor.

 

[Governor]

29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why did she have to close? Who said so? Or did she choose to close?

That business must have really pissed someone off or didn’t comply in some way. 
 

That’s what schools have to do. I haven’t heard of a business doing that yet.

[GaryPinC]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

And there’s your problem 

Yep, it's certainly part of the problem.  But so is that employee who didn't get vaccinated.  

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

500,000 Americans died when he denied and lied.  

 

"Pro" Life CULT

 

 

 

 

1.5 million saved.  How was that compared to France or the UK or Germany or Spain per capita?  You know that continent Fauci Cult told us "did it right."  Like New York!

 

100s of millions more saved because of his vaccine.  

 

He's saved more lives then penicillin.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Big Blitz

[BillStime]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

1.5 million saved.  How was that compared to France or the UK or Germany or Spain per capita?  You know that continent Fauci Cult told us "did it right."  Like New York!

 

100s of millions more saved because of his vaccine.  

 

He's saved more lives then penicillin.

 

Clearly you didn't lose anyone close to you due to COVID.