The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[GaryPinC]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks for the thoughtful response. My posts are trying desperately to stay out of the politics of it all. I’m a numbers driven guy. Something’s going on in the NYC Metro area ...again. What’s shocking to me is that people who are paid to tell us what it is, either don’t seem to have a clue, or don’t want to tell us. With a database this large and with reporting in virtual real time it’s hard to believe they don’t know. 

I hear ya, the problem is this (the science) has always been and continues to be a complex situation developing in real time.  There's more grey than black and white at play here.  We've learned much but there's still a lot of unknowns that simply need time and further study to figure out.  Will certain areas see another rise and will vaccination/natural immunity be able to squash it or prevent others?   Best data we have may be Israel, otherwise it's a guess.

 

We're only a little over a year out on trying to get a handle on this novel, unusual virus.  That's nothing, barely a blink of the eye in science terms.  But honestly, the science that has gone into the Western vaccines and turning that around in a year is truly breathtaking to someone like myself.  Really super job.  The Russians did very well also, just not sure you can rely on their mass production quality.

 

The problem with the people that "know" is that they have to take in to account the risks of what they don't know, which is substantial in this case.  They also tend not to discuss things they know but there's not enough formally analyzed data yet.

 

For example, I can tell you in my discussions with the Ohio department of health last fall, they're much more willing to discuss and give guidance based on trends they're seeing well before the CDC changes its formal guidance.

 

  My leading guess would be one or more of the variants is contributing to NYC as it has such a global footprint.  But it's probably a number of factors and just because you can chart the rise, you might not be able to fully explain it for another year.

 

WRT the variants, no one can say for sure, but based on my research I would guess if South Africa or Brazil become dominant here, cases would rise but the hospitalizations would be muted to some degree.  I do believe the vaccines will be effective in preventing the most serious cases (ICU) but beyond that  ???

[Chef Jim]

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

The only reason we're still in masks is because if they say you can take them off and cases do nothing different then people will say "we could have had these off the whole time???"  And it will instantly the biggest ***k up of all time.  Especially if cases drop.

 

If masks control it, then if cases go up in your area, put the mask on, right? 

 

Also, businesses need people to not be scared to shop.  This face diaper does that.  Provides the scared a sense of security for you to shop at Kohls.  

 

 

This is all bull ***t. 

 

We don't have to wait to see what happens with or without mask mandates.  See FL vs CA 

[Big Blitz]

We are now at a CFR of 1.8%

 

An IFR of 0.18 to 0.55

 

Remember when those were a thing?

 

 

Have we met the metrics yet?  

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

I hear ya, the problem is this (the science) has always been and continues to be a complex situation developing in real time.  There's more grey than black and white at play here.  We've learned much but there's still a lot of unknowns that simply need time and further study to figure out.  Will certain areas see another rise and will vaccination/natural immunity be able to squash it or prevent others?   Best data we have may be Israel, otherwise it's a guess.

 

We're only a little over a year out on trying to get a handle on this novel, unusual virus.  That's nothing, barely a blink of the eye in science terms.  But honestly, the science that has gone into the Western vaccines and turning that around in a year is truly breathtaking to someone like myself.  Really super job.  The Russians did very well also, just not sure you can rely on their mass production quality.

 

The problem with the people that "know" is that they have to take in to account the risks of what they don't know, which is substantial in this case.  They also tend not to discuss things they know but there's not enough formally analyzed data yet.

 

For example, I can tell you in my discussions with the Ohio department of health last fall, they're much more willing to discuss and give guidance based on trends they're seeing well before the CDC changes its formal guidance.

 

  My leading guess would be one or more of the variants is contributing to NYC as it has such a global footprint.  But it's probably a number of factors and just because you can chart the rise, you might not be able to fully explain it for another year.

 

WRT the variants, no one can say for sure, but based on my research I would guess if South Africa or Brazil become dominant here, cases would rise but the hospitalizations would be muted to some degree.  I do believe the vaccines will be effective in preventing the most serious cases (ICU) but beyond that  ???

Once again, thanks for the well thought out response. But if the variants are the reason for a spike in NYC shouldn’t we know that? Don’t are tests pick that up? I’m still of the mindset that our federal agencies really got caught flat footed here. Heaven forbid we ever see something like this again. It’s been a hot mess of messaging. My only hope is Dr Fauci is long retired by the time this happens again. 

[GaryPinC]

15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again, thanks for the well thought out response. But if the variants are the reason for a spike in NYC shouldn’t we know that? Don’t are tests pick that up? I’m still of the mindset that our federal agencies really got caught flat footed here. Heaven forbid we ever see something like this again. It’s been a hot mess of messaging. My only hope is Dr Fauci is long retired by the time this happens again. 

Thanks for your good thoughts also and I definitely appreciate keeping it apolitical.  Definitely our federal agencies got caught flat-footed but we haven't had a true pandemic since arguably 1918.  We had no meaningful capacity to contact trace, no way it was going to happen effectively in the 3-6 week window we had to control this thing last year.  Plus, Americans are very wary to sacrifice personal freedoms even temporarily, so asking them to do it proactively was virtually a non-starter.  It's part of what makes us great, but not this time.  So I would in all fairness say, other than the Chinese and some smaller countries, the entire world got caught flat-footed.

   As far as variants, I don't have a good idea how fast they can turn around the science on them.

 You can do a genomic sequence on a virus in less then a day, but there's the analysis as viruses are constantly undergoing changes.

I'm also unsure if diagnostic clinical labs do this type of study, I think there has to be priority, protocols, and funding for formal studies which require designs, applications to federal agencies, IRBs, analysis, peer review just to name a few.

 

Just anecdotally, I remember them discussing suspicions that there was a more mild strain and a more virulent strain (that hit Europe) when things got rolling last year.  This fall was the first the they actually put some science behind it with actual variants.

 

The biggest issue is can we do better next time?

[B-Man]

Nation’s first ‘vaccine passport’ coming to New York

by Gabrielle Fonrouge

 

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/nations-first-covid-vaccine-passport-coming-to-new-york/

 

The nation’s very first “vaccine passport” is coming to the Big Apple. The program, dubbed the “Excelsior Pass,” is an app that will allow New Yorkers to prove their vaccination status, or recent history of a negative COVID-19 test, in order to gain entry to events and businesses, Governor Cuomo announced in a news release Friday. “Similar to a mobile airline boarding pass, individuals will be able to either print out their pass or store it on their smartphones using the Excelsior Pass Wallet app,” the news release explains. “Each Pass will have a secure QR code, which participating businesses and venues

 

 

 

 

Land of the free, home of the brave. Remember that one? Quaint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Even with vaccinations on the rise, epidemiologists urge caution as nation reopens

 

Even with millions of vaccine shots pricking arms every day, epidemiologists are warning that it's too soon for states to ease up on public COVID-19 measures without risking another surge.

 

Although more than 47 million people in the United States have been fully vaccinated -- 32 states, plus Washington, D.C., now are offering vaccines to anyone 16 or older -- experts agree we're nowhere near herd immunity.

 

But several states -- Iowa, Mississippi, Texas and Wyoming among them -- have fully reopened, repealing all COVID-19-related mandates. Other states are continuing to loosen their own restrictions.

 

Nationwide "the number of cases in the country has plateaued. That's not good. They should keep going down and down," Dr. Anthony Fauci said on "Good Morning America" on Tuesday. "We've seen this before: When you plateau like that, there really is a danger of a resurgence."

 

Meanwhile, there are worrying signs the pandemic may be accelerating in some parts of the country, with 20 states now reporting more than a 10% increase in the number of new cases. Epidemiologists interviewed by ABC News said there are myriad reasons it's too soon to ease mandates, including the new and more contagious COVID-19 variants, undetected cases and worries about long COVID.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vaccinations-rise-epidemiologists-urge-caution-nation-reopens/story?id=76612249

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Big Blitz

[RiotAct]

show me your Excelsior Pass... but be sure to continue wearing a mask and social distancing!!!

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

show me your Excelsior Pass... but be sure to continue wearing a mask and social distancing!!!

 

 

Like I said.....

 

You'll be doing that for years. 

 

If they stop and cases do nothing or even drop......it's the biggest "policy" disaster in history.  Among several we've already had in the last 13 months and counting.  

 

If masks "control" the spread, then make them optional.  We can put them on and slow cases (LOL) at any time.  Especially since 25% of us have shots, and probably half of us (probably 80%) have had the virus.  Thus immunity.

 

 

Sham.  It's all a sham.  You let government bureaucrats run this that means they are far more terrified of their careers then your health.  And right now, mandated distancing and masks if shown (they already have) to be near useless there goes credibility and there goes your career.  

 

Taken further, that's why half the public wants case spikes in mandate free states.  "They have to be wrong!  Or I believed a lie for 13 months.....and counting."   

 

 

So, what's everyone's plans July 4th.....2022?

[Tiberius]

How many died needlessly because of Trump’s murderous incompetence? 

Quote

 

Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator under President Donald Trump, said most coronavirus deaths in the United States could have been prevented if the Trump administration had acted earlier and more decisively.

Birx made her comments in the CNN documentary “Covid War: The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out,” a clip from which the network released Saturday. The full documentary will air 9 p.m. Sunday.

In it, CNN chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta asked Birx how much of a difference she thinks it would have made had the United States “mitigated earlier, … paused earlier and actually done it,” referring to extending shutdowns, urging people to wear masks and implementing other steps to slow the spread of the virus.

“I look at it this way: The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge,” Birx told Gupta. “All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/27/birx-tells-cnn-most-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-mitigated-after-first-100000/

[Chef Jim]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How many died needlessly because of Trump’s murderous incompetence? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/27/birx-tells-cnn-most-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-mitigated-after-first-100000/

Muderous?   Are you sure you want to use that word.  You wonder why so many of us don’t take you seriously. 🙄

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

How many died needlessly because of Trump’s murderous incompetence? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/27/birx-tells-cnn-most-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-mitigated-after-first-100000/

 

This is all code for "stronger federal response."

 

Something that is unconstitutional.

 

 

More bureaucrats like her will be attempting to rewrite history to save their careers.  

 

How many questions did CNN ask her about Cuomos refusal to "quarantine" and shut down?  How much of a discussion was there to seal off NYC? 

 

 

And here are the 2 money questions that weren't asked thus why we know this is all complete bull ***t:

 

 

 

1. What land locked country did it all right and locked down "early enough?"  France?  Germany?  Spain?  South Africa?  Which of those countries or others not surrounded by oceans will we look back on and say they did it right?  And why was it Sweden?

 

 

 

2. Since it's not the Feds job to do any of this, which state in the U.S. handled it all the best and why was it Florida?

 

 

 

Have a good rest of your masked up socially distanced day.   

[Tiberius]

42 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

This is all code for "stronger federal response."

 

Something that is unconstitutional.

 

 

More bureaucrats like her will be attempting to rewrite history to save their careers.  

 

How many questions did CNN ask her about Cuomos refusal to "quarantine" and shut down?  How much of a discussion was there to seal off NYC? 

 

 

And here are the 2 money questions that weren't asked thus why we know this is all complete bull ***t:

 

 

 

1. What land locked country did it all right and locked down "early enough?"  France?  Germany?  Spain?  South Africa?  Which of those countries or others not surrounded by oceans will we look back on and say they did it right?  And why was it Sweden?

 

 

 

2. Since it's not the Feds job to do any of this, which state in the U.S. handled it all the best and why was it Florida?

 

 

 

Have a good rest of your masked up socially distanced day.   

400,000 deaths on Trump's head! Hitler didn't even kill that many Americans! 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Muderous?   Are you sure you want to use that word.  You wonder why so many of us don’t take you seriously. 🙄

"Muderous"....sorry Chef, I just had to do it. 😂  His father was a mudder.  His mudder was a mudder. (Seinfeld reference.)

[TH3]

21 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Like I said.....

 

You'll be doing that for years. 

 

If they stop and cases do nothing or even drop......it's the biggest "policy" disaster in history.  Among several we've already had in the last 13 months and counting.  

 

If masks "control" the spread, then make them optional.  We can put them on and slow cases (LOL) at any time.  Especially since 25% of us have shots, and probably half of us (probably 80%) have had the virus.  Thus immunity.

 

 

Sham.  It's all a sham.  You let government bureaucrats run this that means they are far more terrified of their careers then your health.  And right now, mandated distancing and masks if shown (they already have) to be near useless there goes credibility and there goes your career.  

 

Taken further, that's why half the public wants case spikes in mandate free states.  "They have to be wrong!  Or I believed a lie for 13 months.....and counting."   

 

 

So, what's everyone's plans July 4th.....2022?

None of what you say here is true. None of it.

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

400,000 deaths on Trump's head! Hitler didn't even kill that many Americans! 

 

 

Cool story bro.

 

Over 25K Canadians have supposedly died from Covid.

 

Thats more then 1/3 of the number of Canadians killed in every war they ever fought in.  

 

 

Trudeau is essentially the second biggest mass murderer in Canadian history.  

 

Am I doing this right?  Is this how the Chinese want to me to think?  

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, TH3 said:

None of what you say here is true. None of it.

 

 

K.

 

Thank you for clearing that up for me.  

Edited March 28, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Cool story bro.

 

Over 25K Canadians have supposedly died from Covid.

 

Thats more then 1/3 of the number of Canadians killed in every war they ever fought in.  

 

 

Trudeau is essentially the second biggest mass murderer in Canadian history.  

 

Am I doing this right?  Is this how the Chinese want to me to think?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

K.

 

Thank you for clearing that up for me.  

I guess the worse of a person he is the more you guys live him. 

 

But 400k deaths because of his deadly incompetence is pretty bad. 

 

You dont even think the super spreader events he held were bad at all' right? 

 

You guys just are so far far up His butt you won’t admit to anything, if he lies about it. 

 

400,000 Deaths 

36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

"Muderous"....sorry Chef, I just had to do it. 😂  His father was a mudder.  His mudder was a mudder. (Seinfeld reference.)

Talking to yourself? Lol 

[Tiberius]

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

Talking to yourself? Lol 

You’re definitely one of the strangest people I’ve ever conversed with (if you can even call it a conversation) . But... it’s when you make comments like this, that you reveal you literally know nothing about anything. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Future generations will mock our fear, mock our cowardice, mock our willingness to surrender our liberties int he face of a danger wherein over 99% of the afflicted recover. 

 

They will judge us harshly for cowering at the feet of "experts". 

 

And they'll be absolutely correct in doing so. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

400,000 deaths on Trump's head! Hitler didn't even kill that many Americans! 

Biden's off to a great start, you know, swooping in and saving every American life...thankfully he developed that vaccine just in time

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

How many died needlessly because of Trump’s murderous incompetence? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/27/birx-tells-cnn-most-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-mitigated-after-first-100000/

 

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

This is all code for "stronger federal response."

 

Something that is unconstitutional.

 

 

More bureaucrats like her will be attempting to rewrite history to save their careers.  

 

How many questions did CNN ask her about Cuomos refusal to "quarantine" and shut down?  How much of a discussion was there to seal off NYC? 

 

 

And here are the 2 money questions that weren't asked thus why we know this is all complete bull ***t:

 

 

 

1. What land locked country did it all right and locked down "early enough?"  France?  Germany?  Spain?  South Africa?  Which of those countries or others not surrounded by oceans will we look back on and say they did it right?  And why was it Sweden?

 

 

 

2. Since it's not the Feds job to do any of this, which state in the U.S. handled it all the best and why was it Florida?

 

 

 

Have a good rest of your masked up socially distanced day.   

Whatever you do Gary, don't come to Florida we might give you the COVIDs here

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

I guess the worse of a person he is the more you guys live him. 

 

But 400k deaths because of his deadly incompetence is pretty bad. 

 

You dont even think the super spreader events he held were bad at all' right? 

 

You guys just are so far far up His butt you won’t admit to anything, if he lies about it. 

 

400,000 Deaths 

Talking to yourself? Lol 

 

 

 

Show me the data that says mandated masks made a significant difference please.  

 

 

I'll wait.  Gladly.  

[daz28]

33 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Future generations will mock our fear, mock our cowardice, mock our willingness to surrender our liberties int he face of a danger wherein over 99% of the afflicted recover. 

 

They will judge us harshly for cowering at the feet of "experts". 

 

And they'll be absolutely correct in doing so. 

It's REALLY, REALLY, funny that those telling us about how history will judge us have zero knowledge of actual history.  The policy failures of Spanish flu in places like Philadelphia are widely documented.  

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Show me the data that says mandated masks made a significant difference please.  

 

 

I'll wait.  Gladly.  

Next time you sneeze or cough into your hand check your hand for the EVIDENCE.

[Big Blitz]

This what we've become.

 

I've been demanding an exit strategy.

 

There no longer is one:

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, daz28 said:

 

Next time you sneeze or cough into your hand check your hand for the EVIDENCE.

 

 

Yep.  I'll find evidence of saliva and that's all I know.

 

 

 

 

 

You check your hand for boogers I'll follow logic data and math.   

[Big Blitz]

Hahaha

 

 

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

This what we've become.

 

I've been demanding an exit strategy.

 

There no longer is one:

 

 

 

Vaccinations.  And still take precautions while this is done.  Schools are having in person classes again, businesses are opening up.   You know this but you’d prefer to whine like a baby day after day after day with your doomsday nonsense.  Pipe down.

Edited March 28, 2021 by oldmanfan

[Big Blitz]

 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Vaccinations.  And still take precautions while this is done.  Schools are having in person classes again, businesses are opening up.   You know this but you’d prefer to whine like a baby day after day after day with your doomsday nonsense.  Pipe down.

It's ironic, and funny as hell the way that those who call others snowflakes cry about the dumbest stuff.  If it wasn't hypocritical it wouldn't be conservative is my new motto.

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Vaccinations.  And still take precautions while this is done.  Schools are having in person classes again, businesses are opening up.   You know this but you’d prefer to whine like a baby day after day after day with your doomsday nonsense.  Pipe down.

 

 

 

Sweet dream.

 

 

You can still spread it when vaccinated.  

 

And with the new metrics no one hears about (no cases or deaths) you'll be mitigating for life because there are going to be cases and deaths for YEARS.  

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Yeah, because during the Great Plague I'm sure they would have just allowed everyone on the planes, and called it freedumb.

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Yeah, because during the Great Plague I'm sure they would have just allowed everyone on the planes, and called it freedumb.

 

 

Big facts:  

 

 

 

 

 

And it's "Fweeedom."  Not "Freedumb."

 

 

And you'll never have anything close to it again because you're 1. Scared and 2. Will never be able to admit how wrong you were.

 

It's number 2 mostly.   

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Sweet dream.

 

 

You can still spread it when vaccinated.  

 

And with the new metrics no one hears about (no cases or deaths) you'll be mitigating for life because there are going to be cases and deaths for YEARS.  

Yes there may be some cases for years.  Like there are flu cases every year. We will likely get regular vaccinations for Covid as we do for the flu. We might even wear masks at times if a big outbreak occurs at a given time.   But in just over a year since the start of the pandemic, despite over 500k people dying in our country, we are seeing the end of things.  Schools are opening as are stores, those that have been vaccinated are gathering again, millions are being vaccinated daily (and credit to the previous administration for Warp Speed and the current one for distribution).  We are not going to live the rest of our lives in masks and such and you know it.  You just want to complain to hear yourself complain.  So to be blunt, shut up already.

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Sweet dream.

 

 

You can still spread it when vaccinated.  

 

And with the new metrics no one hears about (no cases or deaths) you'll be mitigating for life because there are going to be cases and deaths for YEARS.  

Go study how vaccinations work.  Until then be quiet.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes there may be some cases for years.  Like there are flu cases every year. We will likely get regular vaccinations for Covid as we do for the flu. We might even wear masks at times if a big outbreak occurs at a given time.   But in just over a year since the start of the pandemic, despite over 500k people dying in our country, we are seeing the end of things.  Schools are opening as are stores, those that have been vaccinated are gathering again, millions are being vaccinated daily (and credit to the previous administration for Warp Speed and the current one for distribution).  We are not going to live the rest of our lives in masks and such and you know it.  You just want to complain to hear yourself complain.  So to be blunt, shut up already.

 

 

 

Schools are not open.  They have 20% of their populations if any in person.  

 

They are 6.....or is it 3 feet apart.  It's dystopian and disgusting.  It's sad and it's pathetic.  It's child abuse.  K-5 set up right now currently is the most inhumane thing Western Civilization has ever done to kids.  

 

Virtual options are permanent.  High Schools are done.  Unintended consequence of the stupid.  I can list a bunch more of Unintended consequences but I don't have the time...... I'd just urge you to use your brain.  

 

I complain because I care.  The government is mandating you mitigate with no exit strategy or metric to full normal.  That's a big f...ing problem.  And stop saying the vaccine because it clearly isn't.  

 

So until then, I'll be here to tell how dangerous, irrational, and stupid this all is.  And yes, why it imperils the country forever.  

[daz28]

12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Big facts:  

 

 

 

 

 

And it's "Fweeedom."  Not "Freedumb."

 

 

And you'll never have anything close to it again because you're 1. Scared and 2. Will never be able to admit how wrong you were.

 

It's number 2 mostly.   

I'll settle on Fweedumb.  Also, it's comical you post from the country that gave us taxation without representation as the role model against tyranny, because they want proof of vaccinations.  Try to get your kids in school(or even yourself) without records of vaccinations.  I suppose I'm just scared and wrong about measles, mumps, rubella, etc

Edited March 28, 2021 by daz28

[daz28]

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Sweet dream.

 

 

You can still spread it when vaccinated.  

 

And with the new metrics no one hears about (no cases or deaths) you'll be mitigating for life because there are going to be cases and deaths for YEARS.  

The doctor who agrees with you about this also tells you why you need to still wear a mask LOL:  

 

“You leave that room and you go into another room with somebody that has not had the vaccine. And you talk loud and you cough once in a while or you sneeze... then for that particular person you just put them at risk now because what's in your nose has been, you know, aerosolized,” 

 

 

[716er]

 

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

The doctor who agrees with you about this also tells you why you need to still wear a mask LOL:  

 

“You leave that room and you go into another room with somebody that has not had the vaccine. And you talk loud and you cough once in a while or you sneeze... then for that particular person you just put them at risk now because what's in your nose has been, you know, aerosolized,” 

 

 

 

Nothing will penetrate the tin foil surrounding the dome of bills blitz.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Schools are not open.  They have 20% of their populations if any in person.  

 

They are 6.....or is it 3 feet apart.  It's dystopian and disgusting.  It's sad and it's pathetic.  It's child abuse.  K-5 set up right now currently is the most inhumane thing Western Civilization has ever done to kids.  

 

Virtual options are permanent.  High Schools are done.  Unintended consequence of the stupid.  I can list a bunch more of Unintended consequences but I don't have the time...... I'd just urge you to use your brain.  

 

I complain because I care.  The government is mandating you mitigate with no exit strategy or metric to full normal.  That's a big f...ing problem.  And stop saying the vaccine because it clearly isn't.  

 

So until then, I'll be here to tell how dangerous, irrational, and stupid this all is.  And yes, why it imperils the country forever.  

Just stop.  You are being irrational and dangerous and dumb all at once.  First, a primer on vaccinations and viral disease.  They help prevent viruses from entering your cells, and unless they can enter your cells they can’t replicate.  And they die off.  That’s why you don’t die from smallpox and a host of other viral diseases now.  You probably know that but choose to play dumb for some reason.

 

The exit strategy is to get enough people vaccinated.  Since the beginning of this thing that has been the case but you want to play dumb.  You complain about no exit strategy and such, but here’s the deal.  When you have people actually follow the science instead of claiming things like masks don’t work when they do, or that vaccines are actually a way for Bill Gates to control you (which is laughingly absurd) then it becomes harder to get to the finish line.  Which, again, is getting people vaccinated.  Instead of barking at the moon about what the government is doing, if you really wanted to get to the other side you’d be telling everyone to get behind the science.  The science, like how as more data comes in the theories and such about how to handle things, like spacing at 3feet vs. 6 feet, change.  But you’d rather play your victim card.

 

Has it sucked for kids this year?  Absolutely.  I have a niece that teaches 3rd grade, and it has been challenging at very best.  I teach college classes and again a challenge.  My daughter is a freshman in college and it has been very hard for her.  But was it child abuse?  Absolutely not.  And did it save even more lives from being lost, or from thousands getting Covid and having long term effects?  Absolutely.  You claim high schools are done and that is absolute crap.  Absolute, complete, and total crap.  My wife is a counselor at one, and since the beginning of this they have had both virtual and on site classes.  Kids switch every day.  They have already said they will be having all in person classes in the fall.  Other school systems around us have already gone back to in person.  So again, to put it bluntly, take the high schools are gone crap and stick it.

 

I have refrained from calling out your nonsense for a while but I just couldn’t sit still and read your drivel anymore.  Because what I suspect is really happening is this:  you WANT this to continue so you can continue to complain and rail about government.  You’d rather have more people die and your own kids be kept out of school and such so you can try and justify some ridiculous point about your twisted views. And that is dangerous, irrational, and stupid, to use your words.

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17 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'll settle on Fweedumb.  Also, it's comical you post from the country that gave us taxation without representation as the role model against tyranny, because they want proof of vaccinations.  Try to get your kids in school(or even yourself) without records of vaccinations.  I suppose I'm just scared and wrong about measles, mumps, rubella, etc

 

 

Nice!

 

 

We went from flatten the curve to everyone needs a vaccine first.  One that is not mandatory.  

 

So yes I'll believe everything my masters say now thank you for allowing me to see the light.  

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5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

 

The exit strategy is to get enough people vaccinated.  Since the beginning of this thing that has been the case but you want to play dumb.  

 

No it hasn't.  

 

You only say this now bc there IS a vaccine.  What was the exit strategy if there was none?  

 

To this day vaccination is still not the stated exit strategy.  That was never the objective.  They all lied and they all continue to lie.  

 

Why do I know this?

 

Because that's the ONLY thing we have EVIDENCE of.

 

Dupes.  All of the low info.  Total dupes.  

 

[daz28]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Just stop.  You are being irrational and dangerous and dumb all at once.  First, a primer on vaccinations and viral disease.  They help prevent viruses from entering your cells, and unless they can enter your cells they can’t replicate.  And they die off.  That’s why you don’t die from smallpox and a host of other viral diseases now.  You probably know that but choose to play dumb for some reason.

 

The exit strategy is to get enough people vaccinated.  Since the beginning of this thing that has been the case but you want to play dumb.  You complain about no exit strategy and such, but here’s the deal.  When you have people actually follow the science instead of claiming things like masks don’t work when they do, or that vaccines are actually a way for Bill Gates to control you (which is laughingly absurd) then it becomes harder to get to the finish line.  Which, again, is getting people vaccinated.  Instead of barking at the moon about what the government is doing, if you really wanted to get to the other side you’d be telling everyone to get behind the science.  The science, like how as more data comes in the theories and such about how to handle things, like spacing at 3feet vs. 6 feet, change.  But you’d rather play your victim card.

 

Has it sucked for kids this year?  Absolutely.  I have a niece that teaches 3rd grade, and it has been challenging at very best.  I teach college classes and again a challenge.  My daughter is a freshman in college and it has been very hard for her.  But was it child abuse?  Absolutely not.  And did it save even more lives from being lost, or from thousands getting Covid and having long term effects?  Absolutely.  You claim high schools are done and that is absolute crap.  Absolute, complete, and total crap.  My wife is a counselor at one, and since the beginning of this they have had both virtual and on site classes.  Kids switch every day.  They have already said they will be having all in person classes in the fall.  Other school systems around us have already gone back to in person.  So again, to put it bluntly, take the high schools are gone crap and stick it.

 

I have refrained from calling out your nonsense for a while but I just couldn’t sit still and read your drivel anymore.  Because what I suspect is really happening is this:  you WANT this to continue so you can continue to complain and rail about government.  You’d rather have more people die and your own kids be kept out of school and such so you can try and justify some ridiculous point about your twisted views. And that is dangerous, irrational, and stupid, to use your words.

These people want more Q supporters, and bar room politicians like MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz.  They cheer for the people that chant fweedumb, and spurn those who follow logic and science.