The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

My apologies but it did sound that way.  There is no question Fauci is one of the best in his field in the world.  He does not shoot from the hip; he looks at data and is appropriately cautious when doing so.

Then he could avoid a ton of criticism by citing what he’s been looking at to formulate his preeminent opinions. There is more data on Covid than just about any scientific topic in the history of the world, but the good Doctor never seems to cite anything other than his personal opinion. It’s a delivery problem, not a partisan one. If you want to be a scientist, be one! You don’t let yourself be photographed for magazine covers sitting by a pool. You don’t go on drive-by shows with five second sound bites. Get serious Dr Fauci and I’ll take you seriously. 

[Scraps]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Then he could avoid a ton of criticism by citing what he’s been looking at to formulate his preeminent opinions. There is more data on Covid than just about any scientific topic in the history of the world, but the good Doctor never seems to cite anything other than his personal opinion. It’s a delivery problem, not a partisan one. If you want to be a scientist, be one! You don’t let yourself be photographed for magazine covers sitting by a pool. You don’t go on drive-by shows with five second sound bites. Get serious Dr Fauci and I’ll take you seriously. 

Trumptards say the dumbest things. 

 

More data is on Covid than just about any scientific topic??  Seriously?  There is more scientific data on Covid than there is on HIV, cancer. heart disease, tuberculosis, ebola, aeronautics, space travel, climate change?  That is just a smattering of topics.

 

Its funny how the right wing echo chamber went nuts fear mongering during the ebola epidemic of 2014 poo pooing everything the scientific community said at the time, claiming we didn't know enough about the ebola, even though it had been around for over 38 years, but now, with a virus that has been around less than 1.5 years, they expect perfect knowledge and clarity.

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Trumptards say the dumbest things. 

 

More data is on Covid than just about any scientific topic??  Seriously?  There is more scientific data on Covid than there is on HIV, cancer. heart disease, tuberculosis, ebola, aeronautics, space travel, climate change?  That is just a smattering of topics.

 

Its funny how the right wing echo chamber went nuts fear mongering during the ebola epidemic of 2014 poo pooing everything the scientific community said at the time, claiming we didn't know enough about the ebola, even though it had been around for over 38 years, but now, with a virus that has been around less than 1.5 years, they expect perfect knowledge and clarity.

Ha! So...apparently Fauci is indeed just shooting from the hip then? And he has nothing to base his seemingly daily hunches on? If so, then as a scientist he should STFU until he actually knows something. Again, my problem with our good Doctor is that he’s become addicted to the publicity. I’m sure he was a decent enough, really highly paid, public ‘servant’ before all this started. 

Edited March 1, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! So...apparently Fauci is indeed just shooting from the hip then? And he has nothing to base his seemingly daily hunches on? If so, then as a scientist he should STFU until he actually knows something. Again, my problem with our good Doctor is that he’s become addicted to the publicity. I’m sure he was a decent enough, really highly paid, public ‘servant’ before all this started. 

He bases his comments on the data.  He has since the pandemic started and as the data changes his thoughts change.  Preeminent scientists don't go off hunches.  You know better.

[Scraps]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! So...apparently Fauci is indeed just shooting from the hip then? And he has nothing to base his seemingly daily hunches on? If so, then as a scientist he should STFU until he actually knows something. Again, my problem with our good Doctor is that he’s become addicted to the publicity. I’m sure he was a decent enough, really highly paid, public ‘servant’ before all this started. 

I would think he bases his opinions on the data at hand from SARS COV-2 when it is available.  Where hard data with this particular virus does not exist, they extrapolate based on other coronaviruses and respiratory diseases.  I wouldn't so much call it guess work or shooting from the hip. 

 

Think of it this way.  If you were trying to avoid a flood, were driving down the road and came to to fork in the road, would to take the high road or the low road?

 

BTW, this is actually how the Covid test the WHO used came about.  A researcher who heard about this mysterious illness in January 2019 guessed that it was a cousin of the SARS virus.  He made a test to detect SARS.  He was right.  That test would detect SARS COV-2.  It actually detects both but since SARS COV-1 isn't currently spreading in the human population, it was good enough.

[ALF]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

And Biden has done what differently? Answer: nothing. If Covid can be so easily controlled from the White House  then please list the many things Biden has done to change the current state of affairs. Answer again: absolutely nothing. (Well he did mandate masks in the Post Office.)

 

Trump did not ban air travel from China and Europe in Jan 2020 when it could have been effective ,  he did too little too late. 

 

Trump could see the draconian method China took to deal with covid because they took it very serious , he did not.   The buck stops with Trump , way too late now after it spread.

Edited March 1, 2021 by ALF

[Big Blitz]

September 2023 or beyond.....you will be distanced and teen suicides will skyrocket.  Public Schools will collapse.  

 

This is possible because half the country believes this and is scared to the point of double masking; and doesn't understand the permanent damage being done to the Republic, their rights, and the kids they don't have anyway.  

 

 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Big Blitz

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

 

Trump did not ban air travel from China and Europe in Jan 2020 when it could have been effective ,  he did too little too late. 

 

Trump could see the draconian method China took to deal with covid because they took it very serious , he did not.   The buck stops with Trump , way too late now after it spread.

Nice try Alf but no.  Biden ran on turning things around via His Plan.  I'm still waiting.   We mandated masks in the post offices....and now.....nothing.

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

He bases his comments on the data.  He has since the pandemic started and as the data changes his thoughts change.  Preeminent scientists don't go off hunches.  You know better.

I do know better, and so does Dr. Fauci.  Where are the studies that show the varying results from what the different states are doing? America is an ideal laboratory for something like Covid 19.  We have a bunch of different policies across the nation, all for the same virus.  That is ideal, if you want to study something and reduce the variables in an equation....which is real science, if you remember from Middle School.  The numbers that we're seeing, after almost a full year, show very little difference in deaths per million or cases per million based on the standard variables. And this is not a small sample size!  We are talking millions and millions of people all reacting to the same virus in the same country in the same year.  It doesn't get much better scientifically than that! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice try Alf but no.  Biden ran on turning things around via His Plan.  I'm still waiting.   We mandated masks in the post offices....and now.....nothing.

I do know better, and so does Dr. Fauci.  Where are the studies that show the varying results from what the different states are doing? America is an ideal laboratory for something like Covid 19.  We have a bunch of different policies across the nation, all for the same virus.  That is ideal, if you want to study something and reduce the variables in an equation....which is real science, if you remember from Middle School.  The numbers that we're seeing, after almost a full year, show very little difference in deaths per million or cases per million based on the standard variables. And this is not a small sample size!  We are talking millions and millions of people all reacting to the same virus in the same country in the same year.  It doesn't get much better scientifically than that! 

Fauci's been in a tough spot, but I certainly don't feel he's above criticism.  It always seems to that he's trying to thread a political needle.  I did a quick review of his comments on the summertime protests.  It's been a hot button issue of mine as I worked to keep my business going while moving folks to remote work sites, managing their concerns with respect to work and family obligations, prepping the office for their eventual return. 

 

When I review his comments in the calm light of day several months later, it's unfair to say he didn't comment about the risk of spread from these events, but it's absolutely fair to say his comments were tepid at best.  It seems to me--as the nations preeminent egghead on infectious disease--if his goal was to manage the virus and reduce transmissions, he should have been shouting from his perch that when people gather together in close proximity, people die.  Instead, he rambled a bit about the right to protest, the right to be heard--which has zero to do with whether or not the virus spreads in those settings.

 

Consequently, as Americans struggled to survive, their lives and fortunes changed overnight, they started to wear masks, scrambled to find the magic elixyr to sanitize anything they might touch and discontinued living their normal lives while they watched the undeniable spread of the virus on the nightly news and nary a word said about it. 

 

I've followed the protocols, worn the mask, distanced socially and see very few people not following the process.  In fact, over the last 12 months, I can count on one hand the number of outwardly defiant folks I've encountered.  Of those, the average age was probably 60+. 

 

I certainly don't blame the Fauch for the acts of politicians (or Trump for that matter) encouraging the spread of the disease throughout cities/states and towns.   I do, however, fault Fauci for failing to step up and saying "People.  This IS crazy.".   

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Well beyond done here.  They all can move straight to the Left Coast.  Form an open borders utopia.   

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

"But you don't understand leaky vaccines and the 50 million kids aren't vaccinated so we will never reach herd immunity.......we know we said don't overwhelm the hospitals but Trump sucks so........and don't 'reopen too soon!!!!!!!!"

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

 

[BillStime]

Fantastic:

 

 

[B-Man]

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

Control..................

 

 

 

PEAK SCIENCE DENIAL: Washington D.C. threatens to close the outdoors ahead of cherry blossom season

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/02/peak-science-denial-washington-d-c-threatens-to-close-the-outdoors-ahead-of-cherry-blossom-season/

 

Go ahead, try and justify it.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Uh oh..............too close to the truth.............................."alarming experts"  😆

 

 

 

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. 

 

Covid-19 Live Updates: The U.S. Is Edging Toward Normal, Alarming Some Officials.

 

Screen-capped in case the New York Times revises this Orwellian headline:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/01/world/covid-19-coronavirus

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Only 4%  Says who?  "Transmission is low enough?"  What is that exactly?

 

We were told a 5% positive rate that we should be full open everywhere that was from Birx last year.  Remember that?  I do. 

 

Guess we tossed that metric because nationwide it is less than 5%. 

 

What an absolute joke the NY Times is

 

Based on data that schools are SAFE....they should be fully open everywhere....so should the country.  

 

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

BREAKING: Texas Governor Greg Abbott Ends Mandatory Mask Mandate: ‘Time To Open Texas 100%’

 

 

Texas Governor Greg Abbott, a Republican, announced on Tuesday afternoon that he is signing an executive order that will lift the state’s mandatory mask mandate and will do away with limits on the number of people that businesses can serve indoors effective next week.

 

“Too many Texans have been sidelined from employment opportunities,” Abbott said. “Too many small business owners have struggled to pay their bills. This must end. It is now time to open Texas 100%.”

 

“So today, I’m issuing a new executive order that rescinds most of the earlier executive orders,” Abbott said. “Effective next Wednesday, all businesses of any type are allowed to open 100%. That includes any type of entity in Texas. Also, I’m ending the statewide mask mandate.”

 

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-texas-governor-greg-abbott-ends-mandatory-mask-mandate-time-to-open-texas-100

 

 

There will be people saddened and mad over this development.

 

Those people need to be sent to the sun.

Edited March 2, 2021 by Big Blitz

[ALF]

If only Gov Abbott could keep the electricity on , the water on , pipes from freezing , salt the highway to prevent a 133 vehicle accident with 6 dead . 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

If only Gov Abbott could keep the electricity on , the water on , pipes from freezing , salt the highway to prevent a 133 vehicle accident with 6 dead . 

 

 

Whitmer: Michigan to relax restaurant, business COVID-19 restrictions starting Friday

 

Indoor dining capacity will increase to 50%, with other businesses also allowed to function with fewer COVID-19 restrictions.

 

Restaurants can accept twice as many indoor diners, shops and business can also allow more customers and private gatherings may involve more people under a new state health order set to take effect Friday. 

 

https://amp-freep-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.freep.com/amp/6886499002?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16147188135919&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fmichigan%2F2021%2F03%2F02%2Fmichigan-indoor-dining-restrictions-businesses-covid-19%2F6886499002%2F

Edited March 2, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, ALF said:

If only Gov Abbott could keep the electricity on , the water on , pipes from freezing , salt the highway to prevent a 133 vehicle accident with 6 dead . 

 

If only Kathleen Blanco could have prevented Hurricane Katrina...

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

If only Kathleen Blanco could have prevented Hurricane Katrina...

or Ray Nagin. All their fault!  #LiberalLogic

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

If only Kathleen Blanco could have prevented Hurricane Katrina...

 

False analogy, Texas chose not to winterize it's grid and  also disconnected itself from the interstate grid. Everything that resulted from the polar vortex hitting Texas could have been prevented. But they chose to ignore federal winterization regulations and disconnected from the rest of the country who could have sent them power. 

 

 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

False analogy, Texas chose not to winterize it's grid and  also disconnected itself from the interstate grid. Everything that resulted from the polar vortex hitting Texas could have been prevented. But they chose to ignore federal winterization regulations and disconnected from the rest of the country who could have sent them power.

 

Katrina could also have been prevented if they'd reinforced their flood walls.  I guess states aren't interested in the rare chance that disaster can strike.

[SoCal Deek]

And California has made the conscious decision not to clear the undergrowth in our forest lands, and the result is massive wildfires, emanating from poorly maintained power lines.  

[B-Man]

 

 

Oh, the whining on this board and elsewhere..................

 

 

 

 

👍

[Scraps]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Katrina could also have been prevented if they'd reinforced their flood walls.  I guess states aren't interested in the rare chance that disaster can strike.

 

Most of the problems caused by Katrina were poor design by the Army Corps of Engineers, not Louisiana.  Though I do fault anyone stupid enough to buy a home below sea level as well.

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And California has made the conscious decision not to clear the undergrowth in our forest lands, and the result is massive wildfires, emanating from poorly maintained power lines.  

Are those state or Federal owned lands?

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

 

 

Are those state or Federal owned lands?

That's an excellent question. I'm guessing it depends on the specific lands. 

[Motorin']

43 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Katrina could also have been prevented if they'd reinforced their flood walls.  I guess states aren't interested in the rare chance that disaster can strike.

I wonder if New Orleans has strengthened thier flood walls since?

[B-Man]

 

See how easy it was to distract the thread from Covid and today's Texas news...........

 

 

Meanwhile.

 

 

 

This guy filled skate parks with sand to stop kids from playing outdoors.

[Big Blitz]

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

See how easy it was to distract the thread from Covid and today's Texas news...........

 

 

Meanwhile.

 

 

 

This guy filled skate parks with sand to stop kids from playing outdoors.

 

 

Said this to a buddy of mine today when we were talking about the Pegulas giving up control of the 716 bar.

 

Why would you EVER open a restaurant, or take any risk to start a brick and mortar business in a deep blue commie state like this post this sham?  

 

In addition to mountains of regulations, you will forever have to worry about arbitrarily being shut down indefinitely for the next "public health crisis."  

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

54 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Said this to a buddy of mine today when we were talking about the Pegulas giving up control of the 716 bar.

 

Why would you EVER open a restaurant, or take any risk to start a brick and mortar business in a deep blue commie state like this post this sham?  

 

In addition to mountains of regulations, you will forever have to worry about arbitrarily being shut down indefinitely for the next "public health crisis."  

 

I own a brick and mortar and did my best to keep my employees employed and my bills paid.  Thankfully we did not fall into the "Sorry chief, suck it up and sit the %$#@ down and btw people don't get infected in the Home Depot...", though we had to scramble to create a new normal.  I had just hired a new employee---35 year old lady who had come off a bad employment situation and was prepped to be on the chopping block.  With a hubby, a mortgage and two children at home, she needed the job and it all worked out.  It was costly but in the end all was fine relative to what some of my friends went through.

 

My son purchased a 2 family at the end of 2019.  Saved his money, worked hard, and as a family we put some significant time, effort and  money into improvements.  He followed NYS rental guidelines to a T, got a tenant and a short time later COVID hit.  I recall Governor Sausagemuff lecturing the landlords about being patient, about how the tenant had to be protected, and how "NY will take care of you later.".   Well, a year later many landlords are $#@!ed, some tenants have no fear of reprisal, and a year has been lost.  My son had screened candidates quite well and worked with his tenant when times got tight and so far, he's been able to meet his obligations.  You do have to wonder how long that lasts if lockdowns persist for an extended time.  

 

If I was starting over, and with no concern for proximity to family, I can think of 7 states I'd choose over NY and that's just off the top of my head.   

 

Here's hoping Florida, Texas and Mississippi made the right call when we look back 5 years from now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

See how easy it was to distract the thread from Covid and today's Texas news...........

 

 

Meanwhile.

 

 

 

This guy filled skate parks with sand to stop kids from playing outdoors.

What do you think the chances are he ordered it via text over frogs legs and a nice bubbly from wine country when breaking the rules he put in place for the serfs the day before?  

[daz28]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I own a brick and mortar and did my best to keep my employees employed and my bills paid.  Thankfully we did not fall into the "Sorry chief, suck it up and sit the %$#@ down and btw people don't get infected in the Home Depot...", though we had to scramble to create a new normal.  I had just hired a new employee---35 year old lady who had come off a bad employment situation and was prepped to be on the chopping block.  With a hubby, a mortgage and two children at home, she needed the job and it all worked out.  It was costly but in the end all was fine relative to what some of my friends went through.

 

My son purchased a 2 family at the end of 2019.  Saved his money, worked hard, and as a family we put some significant time, effort and  money into improvements.  He followed NYS rental guidelines to a T, got a tenant and a short time later COVID hit.  I recall Governor Sausagemuff lecturing the landlords about being patient, about how the tenant had to be protected, and how "NY will take care of you later.".   Well, a year later many landlords are $#@!ed, some tenants have no fear of reprisal, and a year has been lost.  My son had screened candidates quite well and worked with his tenant when times got tight and so far, he's been able to meet his obligations.  You do have to wonder how long that lasts if lockdowns persist for an extended time.  

 

If I was starting over, and with no concern for proximity to family, I can think of 7 states I'd choose over NY and that's just off the top of my head.   

 

Here's hoping Florida, Texas and Mississippi made the right call when we look back 5 years from now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you think the chances are he ordered it via text over frogs legs and a nice bubbly from wine country when breaking the rules he put in place for the serfs the day before?  

People were getting a decent amount of money from unemployment, and businesses got free money.  There's no excuse that people shouldn't have paid some of their rent.  Do you think after this anyone will think twice about getting their $4 coffee at Starbucks, and saving their money just in case?  Hell no, they can't wait to get back out and buy that overpriced coffee.  Americans spend WAYYYY too much money on crap they don't need.  A good portion of that money goes right to China.  

[B-Man]

 

 

What a joke he is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 minutes ago, daz28 said:

People were getting a decent amount of money from unemployment, and businesses got free money.  There's no excuse that people shouldn't have paid some of their rent.  Do you think after this anyone will think twice about getting their $4 coffee at Starbucks, and saving their money just in case?  Hell no, they can't wait to get back out and buy that overpriced coffee.  Americans spend WAYYYY too much money on crap they don't need.  A good portion of that money goes right to China.  

Well-intentioned people can run into difficult situations in the best of times, but when you factor in the uncertainty of a pandemic, all bets are off.  I agree with you, generally, that people of strong moral fiber would honor the obligation.  Unfortunately, people are people, and when the government suggests the downside of NOT paying your bills is....nothing but free living, some people don't pay.  NY in particular is not known as landlord friendly.    

   

It's going to happen again in some way, shape or form when the soup line for college grads comes around.  Free is free even when someone else is forced to shoulder the load.  

[Big Blitz]

27 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What a joke he is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fits the following criteria (which is of course absurd)

 

1.  Need a year to know what the vaccine does/lasts 

2. Need to vaccinate kids.  

 

 

At least he didn't say "I'm not sure you can go back to normal." 

 

He actually said "back to normal.  

 

But whoever is "cautioning" him on that need to come out and say wtf it is they are looking at.  

 

And what exactly is it we have to do?

 

Flatten the curve?

 

Not overwhelm the hospitals?

 

 

Can he acknowledge they've moved the goal posts 600 times?

[Scraps]

6 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Oh, the whining on this board and elsewhere..................

 

 

 

 

👍

WOOOOHOOOO!!!

 

The state with 8th highest positivity rate in the country and the 6th worst vaccination rate has decided to distract its citizens from its horrible electric grid with a new wave of Covid.  

 

PARTY!!!

[Scraps]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

Control..................

 

 

 

PEAK SCIENCE DENIAL: Washington D.C. threatens to close the outdoors ahead of cherry blossom season

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/02/peak-science-denial-washington-d-c-threatens-to-close-the-outdoors-ahead-of-cherry-blossom-season/

 

Go ahead, try and justify it.

 

I'm not sure how familiar you are with where the cherry blossoms are but the parking is extremely limited.  Most people get there by the Metro, which is operating at a severely reduced schedule.  Hence, there is an increased risk by packing a bunch of people in a subway car.

 

It isn't stupid like closing a beach.

[SoCal Deek]

9 hours ago, Scraps said:

WOOOOHOOOO!!!

 

The state with 8th highest positivity rate in the country and the 6th worst vaccination rate has decided to distract its citizens from its horrible electric grid with a new wave of Covid.  

 

PARTY!!!

And you’re afraid of this why exactly? On the contrary, I’m very interested to see if there are any significant negative impacts to this decision. We need to be looking at alternative approaches more, not less. I’m pretty sure that concerned Texans will take the precautions they feel are necessary for them personally.