The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I'm not confused.  I simply don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact.

 

NY, Maryland and Michigan were a few.

I can’t take anything Cuomo says as fact. The Michigan Gov has proven to be moronic as well. Not sure about Maryland, but most of these people seem to be stalling, moving goalposts, etc. 

[fansince88]

3 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Sugar Nipples ordered additional antibody testing in NYS, and read the results today. 24.9% of people in NYC tested positive for the antibodies. It is actually lower than I thought.

Sugar nipples....LOL Yes, I saw that. So 1/4 of the people got it. so a bit over 2 million average of infected. Hmmm, where does that leave our morbidity rate?

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Never, ever thought I'd have to use mine. 

Got Q in mine and that is all

[IDBillzFan]

11 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I simply don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact.

 

 

So to recap, you don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact, however...

 

11 minutes ago, Scraps said:

NY, Maryland and Michigan were a few.

 

...you're okay with Cuomo, who lost his skull about not having any equipment, only to have Oregon send him a bunch, right before he found a warehouse full of equipment to the extent that he was able to send extra equipment to...wait for it...Maryland and Michigan.

 

Trump/Pence bad. Cuomo good.

 

Got it.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I can’t take anything Cuomo says as fact. The Michigan Gov has proven to be moronic as well. Not sure about Maryland, but most of these people seem to be stalling, moving goalposts, etc. 

How are these people stalling and moving goalposts? 

9 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

So to recap, you don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact, however...

 

 

...you're okay with Cuomo, who lost his skull about not having any equipment, only to have Oregon send him a bunch, right before he found a warehouse full of equipment to the extent that he was able to send extra equipment to...wait for it...Maryland and Michigan.

 

Trump/Pence bad. Cuomo good.

 

Got it.

 

 

 

 

Not sure I see the contradiction here.  Data told Cuomo he would be short ventilators.  He agitated for and obtained more.  Now he shares unneeded equipment.  What’s the problem? 

[Scraps]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I can’t take anything Cuomo says as fact. The Michigan Gov has proven to be moronic as well. Not sure about Maryland, but most of these people seem to be stalling, moving goalposts, etc. 

So how many tests per day do you think these states need in order to know where the virus might be breaking out so they can do aggressive contact tracing to keep the virus in check?  Do you know if they have the testing capacity in both machines and materials to perform those tests?

 

I don't necessarily like these governors.  I don't necessarily take their word at face value but when governor after governor regardless of party says the same thing, I don't flat out dismiss what they say.  Couple that with what Buffalo_Gal said 

 

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Regardless, Trump and Pence have has the same answer for over a week... there is enough testing for the states that are eligible to open based on the phases.

 

Don't you notice the cop out?  What states are eligible?  What states have met the phase 1 criteria?  Alaska maybe?  

[SectionC3]

A profile in leadership: 

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/three-weeks-of-trump-coronavirus-briefings-under-a-microscope-2-hours-spent-on-attacks-45-minutes-on-self-congratulation-and-412-minutes-of-condolences-for-victims-2020-04-27

[Scraps]

12 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

So to recap, you don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact, however...

 

 

...you're okay with Cuomo, who lost his skull about not having any equipment, only to have Oregon send him a bunch, right before he found a warehouse full of equipment to the extent that he was able to send extra equipment to...wait for it...Maryland and Michigan.

 

Trump/Pence bad. Cuomo good.

 

Got it.

 

I don't like Cuomo, particularly how he is handling the nursing home situation.  That said, he has Trump and Pence beat.  Not a very high bar I admit.

[Albwan]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

 

I don't like Cuomo, particularly how he is handling the nursing home situation.  That said, he has Trump and Pence beat.  Not a very high bar I admit.

... another orangemanbad cultist ...

[GG]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

 

I don't like Cuomo, particularly how he is handling the nursing home situation.  That said, he has Trump and Pence beat.  Not a very high bar I admit.

 

Did Trump & Pence sign an executive order confining nursing home residents to a certain death?

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

So how many tests per day do you think these states need in order to know where the virus might be breaking out so they can do aggressive contact tracing to keep the virus in check?  Do you know if they have the testing capacity in both machines and materials to perform those tests?

 

I don't necessarily like these governors.  I don't necessarily take their word at face value but when governor after governor regardless of party says the same thing, I don't flat out dismiss what they say.  Couple that with what Buffalo_Gal said 

 

 

Don't you notice the cop out?  What states are eligible?  What states have met the phase 1 criteria?  Alaska maybe?  

Half the states qualify for phase 1. If you cannot watch the pressers to stay informed, reading the synopsis from people who are watching at the time would be helpful to alleviate your fears. Call your state's governor's office and ask them if they have adequate tests, swabs, and lab capabilities for those in need. If you need a test because you are ill, call your doctor and ask for a script to get a test.  There are many millions of tests out there, all different sorts of tests. The lab capability is there. Simply call, and put your fears to rest.
 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

So how many tests per day do you think these states need in order to know where the virus might be breaking out so they can do aggressive contact tracing to keep the virus in check?  Do you know if they have the testing capacity in both machines and materials to perform those tests?

 

I don't necessarily like these governors.  I don't necessarily take their word at face value but when governor after governor regardless of party says the same thing, I don't flat out dismiss what they say.  Couple that with what Buffalo_Gal said 

 

 

Don't you notice the cop out?  What states are eligible?  What states have met the phase 1 criteria?  Alaska maybe?  

I know in Erie County the County Exec has stated repeatedly that anyone who has symptoms can get tested through their provider or through the County if they do not have one. No shortage of tests according to him. As for testing to tell where the virus might be breaking out I highly doubt that a system like that is even remotely possible. They can test the symptomatic and attempt to contact trace , which might be somewhat effective. Very hard to nail down contacts to that degree. I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there when it comes to testing. It can help, but it’s not a panacea. There is no way that everyone, everywhere is going to be virus free when things open up. Have to keep some extra hospital space available to stay ahead of the increase in cases, but even that has its limits. The draconian lockdowns are driving hospitals out of business and leading to furloughs of medical personnel. That’s ludicrous. 

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Did Trump & Pence sign an executive order confining nursing home residents to a certain death?

No they didn't.  However, what is your take on what Cuomo says about the supply chain issue?  He isn't the only governor to raise the issue.

[Scraps]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I know in Erie County the County Exec has stated repeatedly that anyone who has symptoms can get tested through their provider or through the County if they do not have one. No shortage of tests according to him. As for testing to tell where the virus might be breaking out I highly doubt that a system like that is even remotely possible. They can test the symptomatic and attempt to contact trace , which might be somewhat effective. Very hard to nail down contacts to that degree. I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there when it comes to testing. It can help, but it’s not a panacea. There is no way that everyone, everywhere is going to be virus free when things open up. Have to keep some extra hospital space available to stay ahead of the increase in cases, but even that has its limits. The draconian lockdowns are driving hospitals out of business and leading to furloughs of medical personnel. That’s ludicrous. 

Testing isn't a panacea but it is a prerequisite to opening up in a safe manner.  Otherwise, we are flying blind like we were for weeks in Jan and Feb when we had a faulty test.

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Testing isn't a panacea but it is a prerequisite to opening up in a safe manner.  Otherwise, we are flying blind like we were for weeks in Jan and Feb when we had a faulty test.

You will still be flying blind even with testing. If someone tests negative today, they can go out and lick a  bus door handle tomorrow and contract COVID-19. The antibody testing could be helpful... if anyone knew how long having the antibodies would protect a person from reinfection.

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Scraps said:

Testing isn't a panacea but it is a prerequisite to opening up in a safe manner.  Otherwise, we are flying blind like we were for weeks in Jan and Feb when we had a faulty test.

Testing to what degree and in what fashion ? There is not going to be a perfect scenario. Dr Birx has already stated that there will never be the capacity to test on a daily basis or anything like that. Anyone can test negative today but positive 3 days from now. Safe is the most overused term I’ve heard with regard to reopening , and it’s fantasy. It’s not going to be completely “ safe” because the virus isn’t going anywhere. Politicians are hiding behind a false choice scenario. Contact tracing of positive cases is about the best we can do. Some level of social distancing initially upon reopening will help. An individual focus on hygiene and some personal discretion exercised by those who fall into vulnerable categories will be necessary going forward. 

[Scraps]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You will still be flying blind even with testing. If someone tests negative today, they can go out and lick a door bus handle tomorrow and contract COVID-19. The antibody testing could be helpful... if anyone knew how long having the antibodies would protect a person from reinfection.

Even without knowing how long antibodies are protective that test would be useful.  One would think that most people would be immune for months or a few years.  It would be useful to know if the population was approaching herd immunity.  Perhaps that could be approached during the summer months.  I would expect a uptick in the Fall.

[shoshin]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Testing to what degree and in what fashion ? There is not going to be a perfect scenario. Dr Birx has already stated that there will never be the capacity to test on a daily basis or anything like that. Anyone can test negative today but positive 3 days from now. Safe is the most overused term I’ve heard with regard to reopening , and it’s fantasy. It’s not going to be completely “ safe” because the virus isn’t going anywhere. Politicians are hiding behind a false choice scenario. Contact tracing of positive cases is about the best we can do. Some level of social distancing initially upon reopening will help. An individual focus on hygiene and some personal discretion exercised by those who fall into vulnerable categories will be necessary going forward. 

 

What Birx said is that we need a testing breakthrough and antibody tests are so far too scarce. 

 

We definitely are undertested since not everyone who is even symptomatic is still getting tested, though that's getting better. Testing asymptomatic people is really the big breakthrough we need but serology tests are not available AND not accurate yet. A tough 1-2 punch. 

 

I hear rumblings of tracing talk at Trump press conferences but little detail from the states that are reopening. How is Georgia tracking? Florida? Texas? Are they following the Trump guidelines on a tracing regimen?  I can't follow all the states but I've not heard much on these and I know other states like NY are working on that part of their plan to reopen. 

[Scraps]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Half the states qualify for phase 1. If you cannot watch the pressers to stay informed, reading the synopsis from people who are watching at the time would be helpful to alleviate your fears. Call your state's governor's office and ask them if they have adequate tests, swabs, and lab capabilities for those in need. If you need a test because you are ill, call your doctor and ask for a script to get a test.  There are many millions of tests out there, all different sorts of tests. The lab capability is there. Simply call, and put your fears to rest.
 

I'm skeptical.  I know my state isn't there.  I don't believe any of the neighboring states are there either.  States are moving forward regardless of the guidelines.  If the 1918 Pandemic is a guide, this is a bad choice.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

What Birx said is that we need a testing breakthrough and antibody tests are so far too scarce. 

 

We definitely are undertested since not everyone who is even symptomatic is still getting tested, though that's getting better. Testing asymptomatic people is really the big breakthrough we need but serology tests are not available AND not accurate yet. A tough 1-2 punch. 

 

I hear rumblings of tracing talk at Trump press conferences but little detail from the states that are reopening. How is Georgia tracking? Florida? Texas? Are they following the Trump guidelines on a tracing regimen?  I can't follow all the states but I've not heard much on these and I know other states like NY are working on that part of their plan to reopen. 

You may be referencing a more recent comment. I am referring to one she made a couple of weeks ago that debunked the notion of daily testing before work etc. It was not in reference to antibody test. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

I'm skeptical.  I know my state isn't there.  I don't believe any of the neighboring states are there either.  States are moving forward regardless of the guidelines.  If the 1918 Pandemic is a guide, this is a bad choice.

This thing isn’t nearly as deadly as Spanish Flu. I don’t know if anyone was asymptomatic with that ; ive seen estimates as high as 45% asymptomatic with Wuhan. Still not sure what level of testing you are envisioning but we don’t have the luxury of time it would take for major breakthroughs. The country will literally crumble to pieces. We still don’t have a vaccine for any of the other known Coronaviruses, fwiw. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

I picked up one of those little Remington trimmers online.  It does the job.  Watched a video of a guy giving himself a haircut so I could learn how to do it myself.  It came out OK.  Can’t put lipstick on this pig, anyways, so as long as I’m comfortable aesthetics can wait. 

I’m seeing clients so I have to look somewhat presentable. 59 and a full head of hair. Problem is it’s curly so when it’s not cut it gets out of control. And with 20 Zoom meetings a week I’m tired of looking at myself with bad hair. 

[Scraps]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

This thing isn’t nearly as deadly as Spanish Flu. I don’t know if anyone was asymptomatic with that ; ive seen estimates as high as 45% asymptomatic with Wuhan. Still not sure what level of testing you are envisioning but we don’t have the luxury of time it would take for major breakthroughs. The country will literally crumble to pieces. We still don’t have a vaccine for any of the other known Coronaviruses, fwiw. 

I'm not sure but here is an interesting counterpoint to Birx from Danielle Allen from Harvard

 

"I think the most important question is, how much testing, tracing and supported isolation do we need to avoid having to use repeated applications of stay at home order when a second or third wave hits. Our view is that we need to get to 5 million tests a day by June in order to achieve that. "

 

and later 

 

" the important number there is how much do you have to test

So, for example, in South Korea they tested at such a level only 3 percent of the tests come back positive. So, we still are at a rate where we're testing with 20 percent coming back positive. That means we're not testing enough.

You need to tests so much that really will weigh (ph) the percentage of which positives actually showing up. That’s when you know you're catching everything.

The numbers that Dr. Birx shared today was that our target at 10 percent positive rate, the percentage that we are finding within every range of testing. We need to lower that. We should be at the same level as South Korea.

I do not understand why this country is setting its ambitions lower than the successful countries. That is the part I do not get. We're can-do America. There’s no reason we cannot give up to a level of 5 million tests a day, which would get us to that place where we are catching so many cases then we would not have a resurgence of a disease, we would not have to go back to sort of adaptive response and using collective stay at home orders repeatedly over a period of time."

 

That was from This Week with George Stephanopoulos last week.

 

There seems to be an attitude from the Feds that testing will be hard, so lets not do it and hope for the best. 

[SectionC3]

19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I’m seeing clients so I have to look somewhat presentable. 59 and a full head of hair. Problem is it’s curly so when it’s not cut it gets out of control. And with 20 Zoom meetings a week I’m tired of looking at myself with bad hair. 

It’s not as hard as I thought.  I watched the video and just gave it a shot.  I usually keep it pretty tight so it’s easier for me.  For others might not work as well.  If you get a clipper online try one with a wider blade.  Much easier to make the cuts.  The one I purchased is a little narrower than one I borrowed, and the borrowed item is a bit easier to handle.  

[Kevbeau]

18 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It’s not as hard as I thought.  I watched the video and just gave it a shot.  I usually keep it pretty tight so it’s easier for me.  For others might not work as well.  If you get a clipper online try one with a wider blade.  Much easier to make the cuts.  The one I purchased is a little narrower than one I borrowed, and the borrowed item is a bit easier to handle.  

My clippers finally arrived from Amazon today.  It’s go time this weekend. Wish me luck!

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

My clippers finally arrived from Amazon today.  It’s go time this weekend. Wish me luck!

It is hair, it will grow... and all that will be left as a reminder is the blackmail photos your family takes. ?

 

 

[meazza]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Said no one ever.......

It’s simpler.  Men don’t need hair after they’re married.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Scraps said:

I'm not sure but here is an interesting counterpoint to Birx from Danielle Allen from Harvard

 

"I think the most important question is, how much testing, tracing and supported isolation do we need to avoid having to use repeated applications of stay at home order when a second or third wave hits. Our view is that we need to get to 5 million tests a day by June in order to achieve that. "

 

and later 

 

" the important number there is how much do you have to test

So, for example, in South Korea they tested at such a level only 3 percent of the tests come back positive. So, we still are at a rate where we're testing with 20 percent coming back positive. That means we're not testing enough.

You need to tests so much that really will weigh (ph) the percentage of which positives actually showing up. That’s when you know you're catching everything.

The numbers that Dr. Birx shared today was that our target at 10 percent positive rate, the percentage that we are finding within every range of testing. We need to lower that. We should be at the same level as South Korea.

I do not understand why this country is setting its ambitions lower than the successful countries. That is the part I do not get. We're can-do America. There’s no reason we cannot give up to a level of 5 million tests a day, which would get us to that place where we are catching so many cases then we would not have a resurgence of a disease, we would not have to go back to sort of adaptive response and using collective stay at home orders repeatedly over a period of time."

 

That was from This Week with George Stephanopoulos last week.

 

There seems to be an attitude from the Feds that testing will be hard, so lets not do it and hope for the best. 

Increasing testing doesn’t reduce the percentage of positives. The virus clearly has taken hold much more in the USA than South Korea. We are past the point of major containment, and we’ve already shut down the economy for too long. We can’t ramp up testing and think that it’s going to reduce the amount of infection present in the populace. So yes, in a sense that kind of testing is “ too hard” to execute at this point because there just isn’t that kind of capacity in the system for the current tests. That could change with a major breakthrough down the road, but we no longer have the luxury of time. Whoever that quote is from seems to want to blame the “ Feds” by focusing on testing while ignoring  the fact the virus took a deep hold in the USA probably since December or so. This is a politically driven opinion from someone with an agenda; most likely the November election. 

[GG]

2 hours ago, Scraps said:

No they didn't.  However, what is your take on what Cuomo says about the supply chain issue?  He isn't the only governor to raise the issue.

Has any state faced a shortage of needed equipment?   

 

Was the Federal government the responsible party for the primary supply chain for the states? 

 

Did the Federal government threaten to use the national guard to appropriate equipment?

[Scraps]

21 minutes ago, GG said:

Has any state faced a shortage of needed equipment?   

 

Was the Federal government the responsible party for the primary supply chain for the states? 

 

Did the Federal government threaten to use the national guard to appropriate equipment?

From long experience I've learned not to bother answering your questions if you won't answer a single one of mine.  You will simply ask more questions and ignore all of mine. 

 

Things had backed off to the point of having an actual discussion with people of differing views this evening.  Not so much with you.

Edited April 28, 2020 by Scraps

[Scraps]

56 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Increasing testing doesn’t reduce the percentage of positives. The virus clearly has taken hold much more in the USA than South Korea. We are past the point of major containment, and we’ve already shut down the economy for too long. We can’t ramp up testing and think that it’s going to reduce the amount of infection present in the populace. So yes, in a sense that kind of testing is “ too hard” to execute at this point because there just isn’t that kind of capacity in the system for the current tests. That could change with a major breakthrough down the road, but we no longer have the luxury of time. Whoever that quote is from seems to want to blame the “ Feds” by focusing on testing while ignoring  the fact the virus took a deep hold in the USA probably since December or so. This is a politically driven opinion from someone with an agenda; most likely the November election. 

I think the point being made is that if you have more testing and get a lower positive rate, you are testing a wide enough percentage of the population to know areas where the virus is increasing and needs closer attention, contact tracing and possibly control measures.  South Korea has tested a far greater percentage of its population than we have.

 

I left a link to the transcript.  You seem to automatically dismiss that which does not  conform with your POV as politically motivated and thus should be dismissed.  Go read the transcript or watch the show and tell me what makes you think that.

 

You seem to be dead set on just opening things up and letting it rip.  I'm rather skeptical that there will be much of an economy as long as the virus is and issue.  Studies of the 1918 pandemic indicate that those cities that started control measures early and kept them in place longer had lower mortality and more robust economic growth in the end.  quote 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Scraps said:

I think the point being made is that if you have more testing and get a lower positive rate, you are testing a wide enough percentage of the population to know areas where the virus is increasing and needs closer attention, contact tracing and possibly control measures.  South Korea has tested a far greater percentage of its population than we have.

 

I left a link to the transcript.  You seem to automatically dismiss that which does not  conform with your POV as politically motivated and thus should be dismissed.  Go read the transcript or watch the show and tell me what makes you think that.

 

You seem to be dead set on just opening things up and letting it rip.  I'm rather skeptical that there will be much of an economy as long as the virus is and issue.  Studies of the 1918 pandemic indicate that those cities that started control measures early and kept them in place longer had lower mortality and more robust economic growth in the end.  quote 

While I’m not dismissing testing as an effective tool, I’m extremely skeptical that the USA can use South Korea as any kind of template because it wasn’t caught here early enough. The testing thing seems to have become a blame placing measure , and yes I believe there is a lot of political motivation behind the lockdowns. The economy is a huge thing in Presidential elections. While the economy isn’t exactly going to to pick up where it left off, we can’t leave it shut down. It just cannot work that way. The virus absolutely will be an issue to some degree, but many will get back to some semblance of normalcy and adapt. Look how many people turn out when they open a beach somewhere. Medically, we may be going about things the wrong way ,if we examine the numbers. Having a lot of younger , healthy people get this virus could be the best thing that can happen. Anyway we cannot just throw up our hands and tank the nation into a depression because it might be a slow recovery. This virus is here to stay, and the sooner people admit that to themselves and move on the better. We are way past the point of a perfect solution barring a miracle. This is my opinion, of course and others will have varying opinions too. Let’s not kid ourselves that politics isn’t behind a lot of this media driven fear mongering. Cuomo has already said “ let’s use this to reimagine a better New York” or some crap like that. These Governors are using the Covid 19 crisis to enact progressive policies and turn their states into more of a liberal la-la land. It’s a progressive fantasy world for them right now, having Americans walk around in face coverings, sitting home waiting for government checks and being controlled like sheep. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

While I’m not dismissing testing as an effective tool, I’m extremely skeptical that the USA can use South Korea as any kind of template because it wasn’t caught here early enough. The testing thing seems to have become a blame placing measure , and yes I believe there is a lot of political motivation behind the lockdowns.

  The US and South Korea reported their first confirmed case on the same day. (Jan 20th) South Korea got the testing kits from WHO, the US said no thanx we will make our own tests. A week later South Korea began a rigorous testing program and contact tracing of positive results. The US bungled the testing program while the virus spread. The reason the US can't use the South Korea template is not because it wasn't caught here early enough as you say, it is because testing and contact tracing did not begin early enough. 

[Foxx]

Illinois Judge Overturns Governor’s Stay-at-Home Order Extension

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, GG said:

Has any state faced a shortage of needed equipment?   

 

Was the Federal government the responsible party for the primary supply chain for the states? 

 

Did the Federal government threaten to use the national guard to appropriate equipment?

Non-responsive.  You attempted to answer a question with a question.  (And then posed two more questions.)

 

carry on. 

[SectionC3]

6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

While I’m not dismissing testing as an effective tool, I’m extremely skeptical that the USA can use South Korea as any kind of template because it wasn’t caught here early enough. The testing thing seems to have become a blame placing measure , and yes I believe there is a lot of political motivation behind the lockdowns. The economy is a huge thing in Presidential elections. While the economy isn’t exactly going to to pick up where it left off, we can’t leave it shut down. It just cannot work that way. The virus absolutely will be an issue to some degree, but many will get back to some semblance of normalcy and adapt. Look how many people turn out when they open a beach somewhere. Medically, we may be going about things the wrong way ,if we examine the numbers. Having a lot of younger , healthy people get this virus could be the best thing that can happen. Anyway we cannot just throw up our hands and tank the nation into a depression because it might be a slow recovery. This virus is here to stay, and the sooner people admit that to themselves and move on the better. We are way past the point of a perfect solution barring a miracle. This is my opinion, of course and others will have varying opinions too. Let’s not kid ourselves that politics isn’t behind a lot of this media driven fear mongering. Cuomo has already said “ let’s use this to reimagine a better New York” or some crap like that. These Governors are using the Covid 19 crisis to enact progressive policies and turn their states into more of a liberal la-la land. It’s a progressive fantasy world for them right now, having Americans walk around in face coverings, sitting home waiting for government checks and being controlled like sheep. 

a lot of what you said here is intelligent.  I might not agree with it, but it’s rational.  
 

except for the bolded statement.  Blanket comments like that with vague accusations undermine the credibility of everything else you said.   When I see stuff like that I’m tempted to dismiss all of the thoughtful comments you’ve made.  
 

Which governors do you speak of? And what progressive policies do you complain of? And what states have become more “la-la lands?”

Edited April 28, 2020 by SectionC3

[KRC]

13 hours ago, TH3 said:

We have 30 percent of cases and deaths worldwide....Tremendous

 

WOOHOO!!! Maybe more can die to satisfy your wet dreams. 

[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

a lot of what you said here is intelligent.  I might not agree with it, but it’s rational.  
 

expect for the bolded statement.  Blanket comments like that with vague accusations undermine the credibility of everything else you said.   When I see stuff like that I’m tempted to dismiss all of the thoughtful comments you’ve made.  
 

Which governors do you speak of? And what progressive policies do you complain of? And what states have become more “la-la lands?”

What good is a lawyer who is not precise? 

[SectionC3]

7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

What good is a lawyer who is not precise? 

 

Thank you for catching that typographical error.   I will correct it immediately.  The iPhone is a tricky beast for someone with larger fingers like me. 

[GG]

7 hours ago, Scraps said:

From long experience I've learned not to bother answering your questions if you won't answer a single one of mine.  You will simply ask more questions and ignore all of mine. 

 

Things had backed off to the point of having an actual discussion with people of differing views this evening.  Not so much with you.

 

Then you'll have no problem specifying exactly which supply chain that Cuomo had an issue with and when.