The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[3rdnlng]

Just now, Capco said:

 

We're in the middle of a global crisis (the traditional time that Americans rally around their president) and he can't even crack a 50% approval rating.  If that's indicative of his job performance then you must set a very low bar for what you call a "good job".  

 

Even though wages have been stagnant and underemployment rampant during his tenure, if we just focus on the stock market gains since January 2017, that will tell you the REAL success story of this presidency! 

 

Oh wait...

You are sadly misinformed and if you believe the polls you are delusional. Even so, Trumps numbers are better than Obama's were at the same time in their respective presidencies. 

[B-Man]

 

 

73% of Americans Hospitalised With COVID-19 Had an Underlying Condition, Says CDC. 

 

“The CDC noted that many of the conditions reported by patients are fairly common among Americans in general.”

 

So maybe this says that the disease mostly just kills people who are already sick. But if “already sick” encompasses things like “former smoker” and “high blood pressure” — under the new guidelines, it’s like 1/3 of the public having high blood pressure — then that’s not much of a comfort.

 

 

 

 

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[TPS]

55 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

If you go by the track record of anonymous White House sources in this administration, the odds are HEAVY that it's entirely false. 

I know we'll never agree on this, but from my observations, as I've stated too often so I won't belabor it after this, he was more concerned about the economy than the virus.  At some point the switch went on, and he realized it would not hurt him if he started leading.  Just look at his press conferences and how he changed.  In fact, now he uses them as campaign events.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

You are sadly misinformed and if you believe the polls you are delusional. Even so, Trumps numbers are better than Obama's were at the same time in their respective presidencies. 

 

He managed to keep his rampant TDS under wraps for half the day today, but when your brain is that broken it just can't help but revealing itself. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

Following orders from subordinates is not the same as taking their advice into consideration.  That (which is expected of a leader) wasn't even done.  

And you somehow know that he didn't take their input in consideration?  Were you in the room?  Of course he took it into consideration!  Or are you of the opinion that he CLOSED AIRLINE TRANSPORTATION FROM THE LARGEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET as some sort of America First travel and tourism holiday?  Don't be a moron!

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, TPS said:

I know we'll never agree on this, but from my observations, as I've stated too often so I won't belabor it after this, he was more concerned about the economy than the virus.  At some point the switch went on, and he realized it would not hurt him if he started leading.  Just look at his press conferences and how he changed.  In fact, now he uses them as campaign events.

 

That's all good. My only point was that there has yet to be single anonymous source report from the WH that's been proven accurate. Especially one talking to Vanity Fair.  

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

And you somehow know that he didn't take their input in consideration?  Were you in the room?  Of course he took it into consideration!  Or are you of the opinion that he CLOSED AIRLINE TRANSPORTATION FROM THE LARGEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET as some sort of America First travel and tourism holiday?  Don't be a moron!

 

He already admitted he believes Trump closed travel off from China simply for petty and/or racist reasons. 

 

Capco is not a serious person. His brain has been rotted by identity politics and four years of unchecked TDS. 

[B-Man]

 

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I honestly thought this was an onion article.  We've all gone through at least one time where we caught a pretty horrible virus/flue.  I think he'll be okay but it's not like he just stormed the beaches of Normandy. 

 

As I said before, Cuomo is fortunate he caught the strain of the Cornavirus where the symptoms disappear when he needs to go on TV.... 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

As I said before, Cuomo is fortunate he caught the strain of the Cornavirus where the symptoms disappear when he needs to go on TV.... 

It's the same strain that hit Hilary when she was dodging bullets on the tarmac that time. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

It's the same strain that hit Hilary when she was dodging bullets on the tarmac that time. 

First failed attempt by Bill to kill his wife.

[Capco]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

And you somehow know that he didn't take their input in consideration?  Were you in the room?  Of course he took it into consideration!  Or are you of the opinion that he CLOSED AIRLINE TRANSPORTATION FROM THE LARGEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET as some sort of America First travel and tourism holiday?  Don't be a moron!

 

He fired two of the very people who knew what to do best, Luciana Borio and Scott Gottlieb.  They literally weren't available to provide that information in a formal setting because of his decision making.  If he wasn't so damned petty he'd not have fired them, taken their advice into proper consideration, and acted as aggressively as South Korea (or more so).  

 

But instead we are left with 4-6 lost weeks because the man in the Oval Office has an ego problem.  More people are going to die than would have otherwise.  Do you understand?  

[3rdnlng]

18 hours ago, Capco said:

 

Following orders from subordinates is not the same as taking their advice into consideration.  That (which is expected of a leader) wasn't even done.  

What makes you think he hasn't taken his subordinates advice into consideration. He has many advisers who most likely gives him conflicting advice. He has to look at all of that advice and make a decision as to what is the best for the country. On what basis can you claim that he didn't take any advice?

Edited April 3, 2020 by 3rdnlng

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Capco said:

 

He fired two of the very people who knew what to do best, Luciana Borio and Scott Gottlieb.  They literally weren't available to provide that information in a formal setting because of his decision making.  If he wasn't so damned petty he'd not have fired them, taken their advice into proper consideration, and acted as aggressively as South Korea (or more so).  

 

But instead we are left with 4-6 lost weeks because the man in the Oval Office has an ego problem.  More people are going to die than would have otherwise.  Do you understand?  

And if Obama and Biden hadn't been such a couple of worthless idiots, they would have left the national stockpile full of supplies when they headed for the golf course.  You can play Monday Morning QB all you want dude.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

13 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I still think he did it for petty and/or racist reasons and not because he was being Mr. Pandemic.  He kinda stumbled into a victory on that one, but yes the Dems and MSM were wrong in hindsight.  That ban did help and did save lives I believe.  

This is painful to unbundle. President Trump stumbled into saving hundreds of thousands of lives because he and his admin recognized a hot spot and  suddenly enacted racist travel restrictions, and the Dems and MSM were just benignly  "wrong" when proclaiming that life as usual was the order of the day?  Wrong like a waiter brings you margarine instead of butter?  

 

I can't believe you believe this. I have to believe English is not your native language. 

1 hour ago, meazza said:

 

I went to Japan last year and like most gringos, laughed at everyone wearing a mask.

 

Well whose laughing now?

Wait, they call the whites "gringo" in Okinawa?  That doesn't seem right.

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

73% of Americans Hospitalised With COVID-19 Had an Underlying Condition, Says CDC. 

 

“The CDC noted that many of the conditions reported by patients are fairly common among Americans in general.”

 

So maybe this says that the disease mostly just kills people who are already sick. But if “already sick” encompasses things like “former smoker” and “high blood pressure” — under the new guidelines, it’s like 1/3 of the public having high blood pressure — then that’s not much of a comfort.

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What might be bad for us is the US has one of the highest rates of obesity among developed countries leading to a lot of underlying health conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure.

[Capco]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

And if Obama and Biden hadn't been such a couple of worthless idiots, they would have left the national stockpile full of supplies when they headed for the golf course.  You can play Monday Morning QB all you want dude.

 

You're right.  3+ years isn't nearly enough time to fix a "broken system" under your direct control when you're the most powerful man in the world.  How ridiculous of me to expect more.  

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

He fired two of the very people who knew what to do best, Luciana Borio and Scott Gottlieb.  They literally weren't available to provide that information in a formal setting because of his decision making.  If he wasn't so damned petty he'd not have fired them, taken their advice into proper consideration, and acted as aggressively as South Korea (or more so).  

 

But instead we are left with 4-6 lost weeks because the man in the Oval Office has an ego problem.  More people are going to die than would have otherwise.  Do you understand?  

You need to actually look into that. BTW, I'm not going to spend the afternoon arguing with someone who doesn't knowtheirshit. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

And you were quarantined, right?

We were self-quarantined.  The CDC paperwork we were given said "Stay home for the next 14 days and monitor your health. Take your temperature with a thermometer two times a day and watch for symptoms."  It had what symptoms to look for, and what measures to take if you felt sick.

 

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This is painful to unbundle. President Trump stumbled into saving hundreds of thousands of lives because he and his admin recognized a hot spot and  suddenly enacted racist travel restrictions, and the Dems and MSM were just benignly  "wrong" when proclaiming that life as usual was the order of the day?  Wrong like a waiter brings you margarine instead of butter?  

 

I can't believe you believe this. I have to believe English is not your native language. 

Wait, they call the whites "gringo" in Okinawa?  That doesn't seem right.

Don't fault the Okinawans for being racist. The people on the home islands of Japan look down on them to a great extent. 

[TH3]

You guys still ball washing Trump? Wanna see what we could be? Check out Germany’s graph and compare it to Mr Tremendous....he is getting his ass handed to him by Merkel.   10/10

[Deranged Rhino]

12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This is painful to unbundle. President Trump stumbled into saving hundreds of thousands of lives because he and his admin recognized a hot spot and  suddenly enacted racist travel restrictions, and the Dems and MSM were just benignly  "wrong" when proclaiming that life as usual was the order of the day?  Wrong like a waiter brings you margarine instead of butter?  

 

I can't believe you believe this. I have to believe English is not your native language. 

Wait, they call the whites "gringo" in Okinawa?  That doesn't seem right.

He fully believes it. Because his brain has been broken by Trump and his intake of toxic identity politics. 
 

He’s removed any doubt about what he is. He’s a clown. Full stop. 

(they come out in pairs.)

[3rdnlng]

Just now, TH3 said:

You guys still ball washing Trump? Wanna see what we could be? Check out Germany’s graph and compare it to Mr Tremendous....he is getting his ass handed to him by Merkel.   10/10

Did you bring any fish tank cleaner with you today? 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Did you bring any fish tank cleaner with you today? 

This has to be killing TH3. 
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/WashTimes/status/1245777574862749698

 

Trump was right. Again. 

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

He fully believes it. Because his brain has been broken by Trump and his intake of toxic identity politics. 
 

He’s removed any doubt about what he is. He’s a clown. Full stop. 

(they come out in pairs.)

 

Lol.  Show me on the stuffed animal rhino doll where I touched you.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

57 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

At a minimum this is going to lead to some sort of violent (over)reaction that will flare up the racism narrative (rightfully or wrongfully)

I'd have responded to the @Deranged Rhino  post you quoted, but I couldn't find it...

I would argue that China's lack of forthcoming along with the WHO covering for them, makes this a bio-weapon.  ?‍♂️

Edited April 2, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Capco said:

 

Lol.  Show me on the stuffed animal rhino doll where I touched you.  

You stated you believe Trump closed off flights to China because of racism. You said that, not me. 
 

So don’t blame me for you being exposed as the mindless, TDS addled, broken brain dipshite that you are. 
 

You did it to yourself. Enjoy it. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Next Corona Press Briefing at 5:00

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

 

 

 

San Francisco was one of the first cities in the U.S. to ban the use of plastic shopping bags in 2007 to reduce the environmental impact caused by plastic waste, according to SFGate.com.

 

 

 

San Francisco bans reusable bags in coronavirus fight

 

Read more at thehill.com ...

 

 

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[Capco]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

You stated you believe Trump closed off flights to China because of racism. You said that, not me. 
 

So don’t blame me for you being exposed as the mindless, TDS addled, broken brain dipshite that you are. 
 

You did it to yourself. Enjoy it. 

 

I'm allowed to think he's a racist without discrediting everything else I say.  

 

What incontrovertible proof do you have that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body?  I'm all ears.  

[B-Man]

 

3 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I'm allowed to think he's a racist without discrediting everything else I say.  

 

What incontrovertible proof do you have that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body?  I'm all ears.  

 

 

Please stop.

 

You have to know that this is a foolish question.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Please stop.

 

You have to know that this is a foolish question.

 

 

 

 

My expierience with paintball and air soft masks makes me think this may have a major flaw, specifically fogging... but I may be missing something. Cool idea for sure! Hope it works. 

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

just me but... i would definitely check to see if they were contaminated.

 

Not me.....I wouldn't get close enough to one of those to check.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

Western complacency is why two former Trump administration health officials rang the alarm bell one week after the first reported case on Jan 20, and why their advice wasn't put into practice until February 29?  

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/act-now-to-prevent-an-american-epidemic-11580255335

 

No.  "Western societies are much more complacent" isn't gonna cut it.  This is a failure of leadership.  

 

“The US response will be studied for generations as a textbook example of a disastrous, failed effort,” Ron Klain, who spearheaded the fight against Ebola in 2014, told a Georgetown university panel recently. “What’s happened in Washington has been a fiasco of incredible proportions.”

 

The White House had all the information it needed by the end of January to act decisively. Instead, Trump repeatedly played down the severity of the threat, blaming China for what he called the “Chinese virus” and insisting falsely that his partial travel bans on China and Europe were all it would take to contain the crisis.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster

 

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Except Trump shut down travel to and from China on 1-31-20, much to the consternation of Democrat leaders and the MSM. Both Fauci and Birx have praised Trump for his doing that. 

 

The WHO, which is SUPPOSED to be providing good, accurate information about the virus crisis flat out said that shutting down travel with China was a BAD decision and lobbied for 45 to rescind the ban.  They were still arguing against it at least until February 5.

 

So, yes, the WH had necessary info to act decisively by the end of January.  But in doing so, they were ignoring the advice of an organization that SHOULD be led by experts.  And the WH was right, and the experts at the WHO were wrong.

 

Should more have been done at that time?  In hindsight, yes.  But when China and the WHO had been lying and downplaying the severity of the situation right up to that point in time and beyond it, and THEY had the best info on it, it is difficult to say what exactly that should have been at that time as even the actions that were taken were decried as being excessive.

[Capco]

18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You are allowed to think whatever you wish. No one argues otherwise. 

 

But when you speak it publicly, it absolutely discredits everything else you write on the topic because it proves you're not operating with a fully functional brain. Yours is addled with rampant TDS and toxic identity politics -- which we all knew from reading your past posts. Now you're just bragging about it. 

 

Here's a wiki article with over 320(!) citations making the case for Trump being a racist.  Just from the summary (lol) we have:

-Sued by DoJ for housing discrimination, 1973/78

-leading proponent of bitherism conspiracy

-vilification of the wrongly accused Central Park 5

-speech about Mexicans being criminals and rapists

-repeatedly linked African Americans and Hispanics with violent crime

-implied a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them at Charlottesville

-referred to El Salvador, Haiti, and African countries as "sh|tholes"

- Trump tweeted about Democratic congresswomen: "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done."  This Go back to your country mentality is a common racial trope.  

 

 

Several studies and surveys have stated that racist attitudes and racial resentment have fueled Trump's political ascendance, and have become more significant than economic factors in determining the party allegiance of U.S. voters.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

 

 

The evidence is nothing short of overwhelming.  And you've provided zero evidence to the contrary.  Yet somehow I'm the one who is proven to not be operating with a fully functional brain.  

 

You have a special, rare kind of logic.  I'll bet you think it's a gift, too.  

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

 

 

The WHO, which is SUPPOSED to be providing good, accurate information about the virus crisis flat out said that shutting down travel with China was a BAD decision and lobbied for 45 to rescind the ban.  They were still arguing against it at least until February 5.

 

So, yes, the WH had necessary info to act decisively by the end of January.  But in doing so, they were ignoring the advice of an organization that SHOULD be led by experts.  And the WH was right, and the experts at the WHO were wrong.

 

Should more have been done at that time?  In hindsight, yes.  But when China and the WHO had been lying and downplaying the severity of the situation right up to that point in time and beyond it, and THEY had the best info on it, it is difficult to say what exactly that should have been at that time as even the actions that were taken were decried as being excessive.

China closed all of its movie theaters but then continued to claim the virus couldn't be passed from humans to humans. A large part of the reason South Korea (IMO) got a jump on things is because they have a very healthy degree of skepticism regarding China's veracity. They would have known much earlier that China was flat out lying.

[/dev/null]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

A large part of the reason South Korea (IMO) got a jump on things is because they have a very healthy degree of skepticism regarding China's veracity.

 

Considering the history between China and Korean, can you blame ROK for not taking China at their word?

[shoshin]

47 minutes ago, TH3 said:

You guys still ball washing Trump? Wanna see what we could be? Check out Germany’s graph and compare it to Mr Tremendous....he is getting his ass handed to him by Merkel.   10/10

 

Why name-call now? 

 

I would love to be back to a 6% unemployment in July with 30K dead and Trump to be chest-thumping about how he did everything right to an 80% approval rating. To want anything else is near traitorous, really. I don't like him but rooting against him at the moment is really bad form. 

 

Questioning his decisions and actions in the moment is fine but I won't resort to calling him names or wanting him to fail. I hope everything I question about his actions is DEAD WRONG and he kicks my ass all the way back to a blazing economy. 

[billsfan1959]

44 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I'm allowed to think he's a racist without discrediting everything else I say.  

 

What incontrovertible proof do you have that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body?  I'm all ears.  

 

You discredit everything else you say

[Deranged Rhino]

8 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Here's a wiki article with over 320(!) citations making the case for Trump being a racist.  Just from the summary (lol) we have:

-Sued by DoJ for housing discrimination, 1973/78

-leading proponent of bitherism conspiracy

-vilification of the wrongly accused Central Park 5

-speech about Mexicans being criminals and rapists

-repeatedly linked African Americans and Hispanics with violent crime

-implied a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them at Charlottesville

-referred to El Salvador, Haiti, and African countries as "sh|tholes"

- Trump tweeted about Democratic congresswomen: "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done."  This Go back to your country mentality is a common racial trope.  

 

 

Several studies and surveys have stated that racist attitudes and racial resentment have fueled Trump's political ascendance, and have become more significant than economic factors in determining the party allegiance of U.S. voters.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

 

 

The evidence is nothing short of overwhelming.  And you've provided zero evidence to the contrary.  Yet somehow I'm the one who is proven to not be operating with a fully functional brain.  

 

You have a special, rare kind of logic.  I'll bet you think it's a gift, too.  

 

All you're doing now is proving that your brain is addled with a toxic mixture of unchecked TDS and identity politics. Citing Wikipedia as any kind of source -- especially on this topic -- is not an argument a serious person makes. 

 

Just like a serious person doesn't argue that there is any realistic comparison to the US and South Korea. 

 

Just like a serious person doesn't argue that there is any worthwhile analysis you can draw by comparing Medieval Europe and Asia to the 21st century global economy. 

 

... But, as you just proved all morning, you are not a serious person. You're a broken person. 

Edited April 2, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[3rdnlng]

I'm almost sorry I shut off communication with that numbskull above. He is wrong on every point he attempted to make. I look forward to DR carving him like a Easter ham.