SoCal Deek Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: Who lost? I'm talking about winning president Trump's own team he put together to investigate voter fraud by illegals and dead people. Ha! Commission? Now I got it. Darn English language. Go back and read your post. You’ll understand why I went where I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Consciousness leaking, again. Edited March 30, 2020 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, TPS said: It seems to be a cult with Trump. When people are unable to criticize him objectively, it's a bit difficult to have any kind of debate. I'll try to refrain though... It’s not just with trump or his supporters. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: ? Your post reads like HE was the one who committed voter fraud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TPS said: It seems to be a cult with Trump. When people are unable to criticize him objectively, it's a bit difficult to have any kind of debate. I'll try to refrain though... lol. so... in your submission post, you act partisan. mmm kay. Edited March 30, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Foxx said: lol. so... in your submission post, you act partisan. mmm kay. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: They never do, Bob. For instance, the 2.8 million people that died in this country last year didn't contribute to the economy this year. That's generally how it works. Their democrat votes counted though. Edited March 30, 2020 by 3rdnlng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 CDC launches online COVID-19 symptom checker. It’s here. Trump calls Pelosi a ‘sick puppy’ over coronavirus criticism. and this connects with the silly "cult", "can't criticize him" B.S. We lived thru the gentleman response of GWB, Trump responds to criticism and it is appreciated. If I read a legitimate point here about what the President has done or needs to do, I will certainly acknowledge it, as would most of the posters here. But the daily hourly half-truths, slander and outright lies DO NOT count as points for honest discussion............sorry. Germany will issue coronavirus antibody certificates to allow quarantined to re-enter society: Researchers to test thousands for immunity as Berlin plans exit strategy for pandemic lock down. . 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Get back to first world level hospital care? I swear, sometimes I don't understand what keeps people like you from building a raft and making a break to the first-world shores of Venezuela. You are SO miserable in this country. Maybe a trip to a real schitthole is in order for you when this is over. "we get back to a first world level of hospital care....after the initial wave passes in the hotspots. " RIF Work on your comprehension. Maybe you could stress less if you didn't assume you were the only thinking person. If a hospital gets overwhelmed, treatment is no longer what I would call first world hospital care. If there are sufficient healthy employees and equipment of course we have first world level of care in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, mannc said: How irresponsible to suggest that it might not be necessary to quarantine 330 million people indefinitely. I've said it since day one: The cure is worse than the disease. The shamers are predictable however. "YOU'RE CHOOSING THE STOCK MARKET OVER LIVES!!" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: "we get back to a first world level of hospital care....after the initial wave passes in the hotspots. " RIF Work on your comprehension. Maybe you could stress less if you didn't assume you were the only thinking person. If a hospital gets overwhelmed, treatment is no longer what I would call first world hospital care. If there are sufficient healthy employees and equipment of course we have first world level of care in the US. The answer is simple. Give them weed, that cures everything right bob? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, TPS said: Yes, I agree, when testing is rolled out on a significant scale in any country, you don't know if the number of new cases is due to the ramping up of testing or not. However... The data JH uses is based on the number of days since the first 100 cases, which is a decent measure (there is no perfect measure yet) because testing started out a such a low rate in most countries, and most of those early cases are (most likely) associated with hospitalizations. Using that assumption shows the US is 10 days behind Italy. It is also consistent with using the number of days each country experienced their first 100 deaths (probably a better measure), which is around March 4th for Italy and around the 17th for the US. So, yes, when widespread testing starts, it influences the number of new cases, which is why it's more accurate (not perfect) to use the "first 100 metrics." I agree that using "first to 100 deaths" is a more meaningful measurement, but there are such a massive number of variables involved that even that number doesn't mean much. You would need to know where the deaths occurred, the ages of the victims, the existence of pre-existing medical conditions, etc. And the US is such a huge place that I think it's impossible to make any valid generalizations about how far "behind" or ahead we are as a country. I'm not saying you are doing this, but this sort of metric is being used to cause alarm and panic and to seed the ground for largely unnecessary "emergency measures". I'll make a future prediction, but it doesn't have much to do with the virus itself: By Easter, the real costs of shutting down the world economy are going to start to become clearer and harder to ignore, and there is going to be a reckoning. As one of the few politicians to even recognize this side of the equation, Trump will be one of the few who come out of this in better shape than when this started. Edited March 30, 2020 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I've said it since day one: The cure is worse than the disease. The shamers are predictable however. "YOU'RE CHOOSING THE STOCK MARKET OVER LIVES!!" So then why did Trump extend the guidelines until end of April? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The Trump administration shipped almost 18 TONS of PPE to China in early February. Question is: What did those...people... do with all that stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Arrest her! TECHNOLOGY Twitter: Laura Ingraham tweet broke rules against coronavirus misinformation Ingraham tweeted praise for hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug championed by the president as a potential treatment for the virus. Fox News host Laura Ingraham. | Mark J. Terrill, File/AP Photo By CRISTIANO LIMA 03/30/2020 02:08 PM EDT Facebook Twitter Link More Fox News host Laura Ingraham has deleted a tweet touting an unproven coronavirus treatment that a Twitter spokesperson said today ran afoul of its rules against misleading health information. Ingraham earlier this month tweeted praise for hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug championed by President Donald Trump as a potential treatment for the virus, despite little evidence to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, meazza said: So then why did Trump extend the guidelines until end of April? Purely political pressure. If he doesn't extend the guidelines, the shrill voices escalate to a fever pitch. In time, I'm confident I'll be proven right when the economy swirls the hopper. Of course, that's exactly what the opposition wants in an election year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, meazza said: So then why did Trump extend the guidelines until end of April? Thats what the "experts" recommended LESLIE EASTMAN: A Review of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s Past Projections on the Wuhan Coronavirus. . P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Purely political pressure. You don't think there was any pressure from the doctors advising him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Will never work. This is asking for violence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'll be proven right when the economy swirls the hopper. The economy was ***** either way. Business began closing before governments started close orders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Foxx said: i can't help but notice throughout our entire exchange, you have avoided the premise of my initial response to you. so i'll ask it again and see if i can elicit a direct response. is the cure going to be worse than the cause? with regard to your response to said question, how do you know it as a fact? I have answered that question. Lives over jobs. I think ignoring the experts and going back to business as usual today would be stupid. So, this current cure is much better than ignoring the impact of the virus, imo. You want certainty in a prediction but that is not possible so why keep asking? Lives over jobs at least until we can have enough doctors and equipment to treat those that are brought to the hospital. Stay home for now. Follow the advice of the experts in this field. Try to ramp up production of supplies and ventilators. After the initial wave we will have to open things somewhat. Perhaps we will have widespread testing available by then. That would help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: You don't think there was any pressure from the doctors advising him? There may have been. But don't think they don't bow to political pressure, either. Trump's in a no-win situation here. 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: The economy was ***** either way. Business began closing before governments started close orders So let's make it worse, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All of these decisions will be made in real time. The answer is going to be a ‘cure’, a treatment, or other advanced science breakthrough. I’m of the opinion that all of this sheltering is only buying them time for science to do its job. The science will kick in next year. There won't be a cure until the end of the year at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I have answered that question. Lives over jobs. I think ignoring the experts and going back to business as usual today would be stupid. So, this current cure is much better than ignoring the impact of the virus, imo. You want certainty in a prediction but that is not possible so why keep asking? Lives over jobs at least until we can have enough doctors and equipment to treat those that are brought to the hospital. Stay home for now. Follow the advice of the experts in this field. Try to ramp up production of supplies and ventilators. After the initial wave we will have to open things somewhat. Perhaps we will have widespread testing available by then. That would help a lot. So... you have no answer. Got it. You'd rather push fear than stop and think for a moment about the actual cost of what you're pushing. (because you've been programmed to be emotional rather than rational like a good lil' NPC) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Will never work. This is asking for violence. I’m gonna slap on some blackface and go about my life. WWND. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: They won’t keep a lockdown for that long. Too many businesses will die. They'll just have to keep bailing people out. No chance at all the winning election strategy will be giving in and voluntarily letting people die. Trump will just run up the debt and the deficit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Purely political pressure. If he doesn't extend the guidelines, the shrill voices escalate to a fever pitch. In time, I'm confident I'll be proven right when the economy swirls the hopper. Of course, that's exactly what the opposition wants in an election year. The guidelines Trump extended involve relatively low-cost measures like social distancing, not draconian "Shelter in Place" rules that have been imposed by various state and local governments and which effectively shut down the entire economy. 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Will never work. This is asking for violence. Lunacy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Will never work. This is asking for violence. we are so ***** if this goes national. society will not survive into June. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Foxx said: we are so ***** if this goes national. society will not survive into June. People won't stand for it, nor should they. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Foxx said: lol. so... in your submission post, you act partisan. mmm kay. I had this discussion already. I have in the past given credit to trump on some of his policies, and I have said that Russia gate was bs from the start, so I have shown the ability to take both sides. How many people here can say they've ever criticized a trump policy? If you've never criticized his policies, then either you can't get past your own bias, in which case it's impossible to have a real discussion and you're a political hack like people accuse Tibs of being, or Trump has never been wrong about anything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I have answered that question. Lives over jobs. I think ignoring the experts and going back to business as usual today would be stupid. So, this current cure is much better than ignoring the impact of the virus, imo. You want certainty in a prediction but that is not possible so why keep asking? Lives over jobs at least until we can have enough doctors and equipment to treat those that are brought to the hospital. Stay home for now. Follow the advice of the experts in this field. Try to ramp up production of supplies and ventilators. After the initial wave we will have to open things somewhat. Perhaps we will have widespread testing available by then. That would help a lot. you really didn't answer it, Bob. not a big deal but i did ask which would be worse and how you would know it for a fact, not which you prefer... which seems to be your response. carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The science will kick in next year. There won't be a cure until the end of the year at the earliest. There won't be a cure, ever, just like there is not a cure for the flu. We'll have a vaccine that will make it more manageable, but people will still die. At some point, we're just going to have to put on our big-boy pants and get out there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob in Mich Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Foxx said: you really didn't answer it, Bob. not a big deal but i did ask which would be worse and how you would know it for a fact, not which you prefer... which seems to be your response. carry on. My opinion is to take the least worse way. Obviously to anyone not being ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: "we get back to a first world level of hospital care....after the initial wave passes in the hotspots. " RIF Work on your comprehension. Maybe you could stress less if you didn't assume you were the only thinking person. If a hospital gets overwhelmed, treatment is no longer what I would call first world hospital care. If there are sufficient healthy employees and equipment of course we have first world level of care in the US. I'm still not seeing the lack of first world hospital care. I keep HEARING about it, but I don't see it from anyone, anywhere, at any time. Except, y'know, when they show video of Italy and PRETEND it's NY. People are going to die. People are going to survive. Some states will be prepared. Others will not. None of it will be anything short of the very best effort we, as a country, can provide at this time. It's embarrassing how many people like yourself look at what COULD be, or what MAY be, and automatically assume it WILL be a failure of epic proportions. Just embarrassing. Try to lift and encourage. It may change this doomsday view you keep seeing. Because when we get on the other side of this thing, you're going to look back on your posts and be stunned at how poorly you viewed this country. Or who knows. Maybe you just like to see misery. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The science will kick in next year. There won't be a cure until the end of the year at the earliest. with genomics being a relatively new science, the possibilities are exciting. however, much like the flu, this coronavirus is going to mutate. and since we really haven't been able to come up with a 'cure' for the flu, i am doubtful that one will arise for corona. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: People won't stand for it, nor should they. Inciting violence like your #DeepState masters tell you. Obey #MAGA_Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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