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Would you take Sammy Watkins if he's available next year?

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On 12/3/2019 at 2:10 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Do you think it's possible to have an entire team above mediocre?  He's not a #1, probably not even a #2 at this point....he would be a #3 WR.

 

The Dude is hurt...like all the time. He's bad. End of story. Pay him to do what?

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3 minutes ago, KGun12TD said:

 

The Dude is hurt...like all the time. He's bad. End of story. Pay him to do what?

 

As I said in an earlier thread, I wouldn't want him but thought it was an interesting topic since he probably will be available.

 

He's going to play somewhere and some team is going to pay him.  Not as much as he's making now, it's going to be similar to a Jordan Phillips prove it deal.

 

I'm just saying just because you have mediocre talent in some areas, it doesn't mean you're thinking on a mediocre mentality.  You can't have an entire team of high level starters.

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No.  The Watkins apologists can't blame Tyrod for his seasons with the Rams and Chiefs.  Yes, he is good but he is injured too much.  We need a WR that is better than good. 

 

Lets draft our own guy and "trust the process". 

 

 

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I think people are looking at this the wrong way.  If Brown is the number 1, and you could certainly argue he is, then Watkins would not have to be anything more than a decent 2.  If the money was right I'd certainly bring Watkins in to compete with Foster/McKenzie for the 2 spot with Beasley playing the slot.  It will be interesting to see what Watkins is looking to get for his next contract.

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2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

I think people are looking at this the wrong way.  If Brown is the number 1, and you could certainly argue he is, then Watkins would not have to be anything more than a decent 2.  If the money was right I'd certainly bring Watkins in to compete with Foster/McKenzie for the 2 spot with Beasley playing the slot.  It will be interesting to see what Watkins is looking to get for his next contract.

 

I would agree if Watkins had no history with the team and the coaching staff. I think if Wakins is cut he would be a smart acquisition for a team on a one year 4-6 million dollar one year deal with a very low or no guarantee. But Sammy left here in a bad way and alienated himself from the coaching staff is something that would not work well in the locker room and limit the chances of Sammy being successful and makes him a higher possibility for being a net negative. 

 

If Sammy had zero experience with this team I wouldn't mind seeing him brought in as a WR2 to play in front of a rookie drafted early. And you would have Brown/Sammy/Rookie drafted in round 1 or 2 playing on the outside while Beasley plays in the slot. Sammy would essentially in that scenario take pressure off of a rookie to come in right away and work as a bridge player while in the short term helping Allan by adding some speed to the team. 

 

But you can't have Sammy in that locker room with McD as the coach.

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2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

I think people are looking at this the wrong way.  If Brown is the number 1, and you could certainly argue he is, then Watkins would not have to be anything more than a decent 2.  If the money was right I'd certainly bring Watkins in to compete with Foster/McKenzie for the 2 spot with Beasley playing the slot.  It will be interesting to see what Watkins is looking to get for his next contract.

 

Which raises two important questions.

1) How much do you really want to pay for an inconsistent, injury prone guy to 'compete' for the #2 job (a job he has failed to secure in LA and KC btw)?

 

2) If you could sign him for what he's worth (very little), how happy do you think he'll be to play for a fraction of what he's being paid now, and having to compete with nobodies just a few years after being the big shot in town?  

 

 

 

 

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You can't define Sammy by numbers. He's a decoy and attracts so much attention over on the bench that without him Mahomes and Hill wouldn't be able to gain a single yard.

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At this point you could argue that Watkins is Ted Ginn 2.0.  I personally would like to think Watkins is more talented but on paper and scheming for them I'd imagine they are rather similar. 

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On 12/3/2019 at 1:34 PM, wvbillsfan said:

Absolutely not. Unimpressed by Watkins and his ability to stay on the field or make a difference. 
Pure conjecture here but I don’t think he loves football. It’s just what he does. Most people with that just collecting a paycheck attitude don’t fair well. 
 

I feel the same.  If Robert Woods was available it's a different story

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No. No. I would put him just a 1/2 step ahead of AB on my want list. That guy can’t atay healthy for more than 2 games at a time. His salary pays for 3 decent players! 

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There are two separate, but equally crazy things about Sammy:

  1. How little he has done, and what he hasnt turned into, given the pedigree with which he came into the NFL
  2. How much that dude has gotten PAID. $54M over his career so far. Mostly from the Chiefs. For doing nothing for them.
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Shame on me for even touching this one but I got spanked from a mod for calling like it is. I said that the way he plays lends himself to injury and I defended myself against tons of people on here. I also compared him to Brandon Lafell production wise. Wound up with 2 warning points from it. I have no reason to believe that he could or would benefit our team whatsoever. “I need 10 targets a game”...no thanks bro.large.2877FED6-BEA4-4C94-A2C1-663FF2A0F362.gif.5b3effb0df0c60c7b3d471514e648534.gif

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35 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

There are two separate, but equally crazy things about Sammy:

  1. How little he has done, and what he hasnt turned into, given the pedigree with which he came into the NFL
  2. How much that dude has gotten PAID. $54M over his career so far. Mostly from the Chiefs. For doing nothing for them.


So he’s basically Sam Bradford of WR’s.

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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:


So he’s basically Sam Bradford of WR’s.

Good comparison.  I didn't like the trade at the time. I won't go back on my criticism now. The trade made the Bills worse and it took two years to rebuild the WR group.

He just can't stay healthy.  He is still young and may have a few good seasons left. However, if Im going to take a chance on a older injured WR Im going with AJ Green.

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The guy was in two of the most prolific offenses of the past 20 years and produced less than Cole Beasley has in our offense. I’d take him as a 3rd or 4th option, but nothing like what he’s getting paid now.

 

McD won that trade. (Except for blowing the pick) 

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13 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Good comparison.  I didn't like the trade at the time. I won't go back on my criticism now. The trade made the Bills worse and it took two years to rebuild the WR group.

He just can't stay healthy.  He is still young and may have a few good seasons left. However, if Im going to take a chance on a older injured WR Im going with AJ Green.


When healthy, like the 15 games he played with the Rams....only had 39 catches.

 

He’s just not a productive WR.  
 

The trade did not make the Bills worse.  He was going to command a lot of money to keep.  Doesn’t make any sense to pay a guy who is not team first, often injured and not a lot of production.  So instead of having him walk for free, we got something for him.  It was a good move by Beane.

So was getting rid of Dareus, Darby and Ragland.  
Dareus was an unmotivated player on a $96 million dollar contract who was now one dimensional.

Ragland is a part time player.

Darby has been inconsistent and the Eagles secondary has been getting torched all year.  

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Once a WR develops chronic foot issues its over. I like Sammy and really wanted him to pan out. I honestly was pissed when we traded him away. But when you see what has transpired since then you know it was the right decision.

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Image result for MR Glass

 

Mr. Glass has been paid enough for his potential. Why would we not develop our own WRs that have more of a chance of suiting up each week.

 

Not sure why the Watkins obsession from some folks here. It is not like I did not like the dude, it was that he just could not stay healthy.

 

 

 

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At $14 mill for the year? (Salary plus roster bonus) Nope.

 

That's Allen Robinson - Stefon Diggs money. He's never produced at a level that would make that a sensible investment.

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