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1 hour ago, DJB said:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/buffalo-bills-rookie-dt-ed-oliver-is-heating-up

 

Production is a poor way to measure the play of DTs, but the anticipation for Oliver to become an immediate star left room for disappointment. Truth is, rookies at this position do not typically light up the box score in their first eight professional games. Here are some notable NFL star defensive tackles and their production across their first eight games in the league: 

  • Aaron Donald: 20 tackles, one sack
  • Fletcher Cox: 16 tackles, one sack
  • Geno Atkins: Five tackles, 1/2 sack
  • Gerald McCoy 14 tackles, zero sacks

 

Ed Oliver 28 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 PDef ,  1 FF (12 game totals)

 

 

did you just compare the stats of 4 players in 8 games with one players stats in 12 games?

 

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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I said it on draft night and still say it.... Ed Oliver dropping to #9 shows sometimes NFL personnel people are stupid. 

 

No problem at all with Arizona taking Murray at #1 - if you think a guy can be your franchise QB you pick him - but Bosa and Oliver were the best two players in the class and there was a gap to the third best. Everyone from the Jets on got it wrong in my opinion. The Lions took a ***** Tight End. I mean seriously. You can't fix stupid. 

I wanted to suck bad enough last year for either Bosa or Oliver and I still can't believe we got Oliver at 9. I really thought we wouldn't have a chance in hell

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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I said it on draft night and still say it.... Ed Oliver dropping to #9 shows sometimes NFL personnel people are stupid. 

 

No problem at all with Arizona taking Murray at #1 - if you think a guy can be your franchise QB you pick him - but Bosa and Oliver were the best two players in the class and there was a gap to the third best. Everyone from the Jets on got it wrong in my opinion. The Lions took a ***** Tight End. I mean seriously. You can't fix stupid. 

I disagree. The Jaguars nailed their pick with Josh Allen. That kid is a beast.

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Just now, Gambit said:

I disagree. The Jaguars nailed their pick with Josh Allen. That kid is a beast.

 

So Josh Allen has been a good pick. For sure. But over their careers I am convinced they will still wish they had taken Oliver. 

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2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

did you just compare the stats of 4 players in 8 games with one players stats in 12 games?

 

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Yeah but if you factor in their first 12, he's been better than the above.  

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Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

So Josh Allen has been a good pick. For sure. But over their careers I am convinced they will still wish they had taken Oliver. 

Now that very well could happen. I absolutely loved the Oliver pick right from the start. My brother and I lost our ***** when he fell to us. I'm still shocked honestly.

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14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yeah but if you factor in their first 12, he's been better than the above.  

right but you don't compare apples and oranges for comparison's sake.

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The only thing that worried me about Oliver was his short arms. His power, burst, gap control, awareness and speed are all elite. 

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2 hours ago, wppete said:

I don’t think anyone is worried about Oliver.

 

A bunch of people were 2 weeks ago...

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So Josh Allen has been a good pick. For sure. But over their careers I am convinced they will still wish they had taken Oliver. 

Interior pass rushers who can also play the run are much harder to come by than an edge guy IMO. Can always bring edge pressure with a blitz, up the middle from a DT position - yup, I will take it all day long

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1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I’m more worried about flat earthers than I am about Oliver.

You don’t have to worry about them, just herd them over the edge... tell them there’s a Dunkin’ Donuts over that way....

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1 hour ago, Foxx said:

did you just compare the stats of 4 players in 8 games with one players stats in 12 games?

 

 

 

 

I was lazy and didnt write down his 8 week stats

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3 hours ago, DJB said:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/buffalo-bills-rookie-dt-ed-oliver-is-heating-up

 

Production is a poor way to measure the play of DTs, but the anticipation for Oliver to become an immediate star left room for disappointment. Truth is, rookies at this position do not typically light up the box score in their first eight professional games. Here are some notable NFL star defensive tackles and their production across their first eight games in the league: 

  • Aaron Donald: 20 tackles, one sack
  • Fletcher Cox: 16 tackles, one sack
  • Geno Atkins: Five tackles, 1/2 sack
  • Gerald McCoy 14 tackles, zero sacks

 

Ed Oliver 28 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 PDef ,  1 FF (12 game totals)

 

 

 

Well that's encouraging!

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Those that complain a lot will always jump at the first opportunity to do so, because it requires less long term thinking, and is the easier route to take. For a rookie DT it appears EO has filled KW shoes admirably. 

 

Go Bills!!!

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I said it on draft night and still say it.... Ed Oliver dropping to #9 shows sometimes NFL personnel people are stupid. 

 

No problem at all with Arizona taking Murray at #1 - if you think a guy can be your franchise QB you pick him - but Bosa and Oliver were the best two players in the class and there was a gap to the third best. Everyone from the Jets on got it wrong in my opinion. The Lions took a ***** Tight End. I mean seriously. You can't fix stupid. 

 

It goes to show one important thing: One hit wonders in CFB can be dangerous. Ed Oliver was the consensus best player in this draft going into last season - he had a slight down year, but still played very well. Q. Williams came out of nowhere and dominated on a stacked team for one year and everyone decided he was better than Ed. Q might have a good career, but so far Ed is the better player. 

 

 

This is something I'm wondering about w/regard to Burrow... 

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2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

 

Is that where Talley's streak ended? Can Ed own the record with 4? 

 

Yes, Talley's streak ended at 3 games in his rookie season.

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1 minute ago, syhuang said:

 

Yes, Talley's streak ended at 3 games in his rookie season.

That's a good factoid to know for the Ravens game. I can act like a snapple cap and break that out if h e gets a sack. Meh... who am i kidding, i'll probably use it anyway. 

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2 hours ago, Foxx said:

right but you don't compare apples and oranges for comparison's sake.

I would so do that. It drives the stats geeks crazy. 

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I think we only need about 13 more "Oliver is playing well despite lack of early stats" threads before we'll get the point.

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

right but you don't compare apples and oranges for comparison's sake.

There are plenty of comparisons you could make.  One is orange, the other typically is not.  One is pulpy, the other is firm.  One has a thick detachable peel, the other's is thin and fixed.

 

But both are still popular tree fruits.  Easy to compare.

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I said it on draft night and still say it.... Ed Oliver dropping to #9 shows sometimes NFL personnel people are stupid. 

 

No problem at all with Arizona taking Murray at #1 - if you think a guy can be your franchise QB you pick him - but Bosa and Oliver were the best two players in the class and there was a gap to the third best. Everyone from the Jets on got it wrong in my opinion. The Lions took a ***** Tight End. I mean seriously. You can't fix stupid. 

 

Wasn’t he viewed as a top 3 guy early in the season? Not sure what happened, if it was disappointing play on the field, or the silly coat stuff, or something else but I never expected him to fall to us. I thought that was a huge break (with a special thank you to Giants and Lions), then people here started questioning if he was a bust a few games into his rookie season. Geez, it can take a little time for the young guys! 

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