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Those that complain a lot will always jump at the first opportunity to do so, because it requires less long term thinking, and is the easier route to take. For a rookie DT it appears EO has filled KW shoes admirably. 

 

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I said it on draft night and still say it.... Ed Oliver dropping to #9 shows sometimes NFL personnel people are stupid. 

 

No problem at all with Arizona taking Murray at #1 - if you think a guy can be your franchise QB you pick him - but Bosa and Oliver were the best two players in the class and there was a gap to the third best. Everyone from the Jets on got it wrong in my opinion. The Lions took a ***** Tight End. I mean seriously. You can't fix stupid. 

 

It goes to show one important thing: One hit wonders in CFB can be dangerous. Ed Oliver was the consensus best player in this draft going into last season - he had a slight down year, but still played very well. Q. Williams came out of nowhere and dominated on a stacked team for one year and everyone decided he was better than Ed. Q might have a good career, but so far Ed is the better player. 

 

 

This is something I'm wondering about w/regard to Burrow... 

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2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

 

Is that where Talley's streak ended? Can Ed own the record with 4? 

 

Yes, Talley's streak ended at 3 games in his rookie season.

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1 minute ago, syhuang said:

 

Yes, Talley's streak ended at 3 games in his rookie season.

That's a good factoid to know for the Ravens game. I can act like a snapple cap and break that out if h e gets a sack. Meh... who am i kidding, i'll probably use it anyway. 

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2 hours ago, Foxx said:

right but you don't compare apples and oranges for comparison's sake.

I would so do that. It drives the stats geeks crazy. 

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I think we only need about 13 more "Oliver is playing well despite lack of early stats" threads before we'll get the point.

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

right but you don't compare apples and oranges for comparison's sake.

There are plenty of comparisons you could make.  One is orange, the other typically is not.  One is pulpy, the other is firm.  One has a thick detachable peel, the other's is thin and fixed.

 

But both are still popular tree fruits.  Easy to compare.

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I said it on draft night and still say it.... Ed Oliver dropping to #9 shows sometimes NFL personnel people are stupid. 

 

No problem at all with Arizona taking Murray at #1 - if you think a guy can be your franchise QB you pick him - but Bosa and Oliver were the best two players in the class and there was a gap to the third best. Everyone from the Jets on got it wrong in my opinion. The Lions took a ***** Tight End. I mean seriously. You can't fix stupid. 

 

Wasn’t he viewed as a top 3 guy early in the season? Not sure what happened, if it was disappointing play on the field, or the silly coat stuff, or something else but I never expected him to fall to us. I thought that was a huge break (with a special thank you to Giants and Lions), then people here started questioning if he was a bust a few games into his rookie season. Geez, it can take a little time for the young guys! 

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5 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

I think the Jets needed Kentucky Josh Allen.

How is he doing? I have not heard.

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The plays also weren't designed for him to make the big sacks/stops. His job was to cause the distruption so the other guys like Lawson could make the sack. And he's done it to near perfection all season. 

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6 hours ago, DJB said:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/buffalo-bills-rookie-dt-ed-oliver-is-heating-up

 

Production is a poor way to measure the play of DTs, but the anticipation for Oliver to become an immediate star left room for disappointment. Truth is, rookies at this position do not typically light up the box score in their first eight professional games. Here are some notable NFL star defensive tackles and their production across their first eight games in the league: 

  • Aaron Donald: 20 tackles, one sack
  • Fletcher Cox: 16 tackles, one sack
  • Geno Atkins: Five tackles, 1/2 sack
  • Gerald McCoy 14 tackles, zero sacks

 

Ed Oliver 28 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 PDef ,  1 FF (12 game totals)

 

 

Just wanted to point out that the stats above are bogus. Not trying to call you out OP - after all you are only citing thedraftnetwork:)

 

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Aaron Donald had 22 tackles and 3 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16716/type/nfl/year/2014

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Fletcher Cox had 24 tackles and 0 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14941/type/nfl/year/2014

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Geno Atkins had 12 tackles and 2.5 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13311/type/nfl/year/2010

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Gerald McCoy had 21 tackles and 0 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13240/type/nfl/year/2010

 

Through 8 games, Ed Oliver had 23 tackles and 2 sacks.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4039303/ed-oliver

 

Wrong stats nothwithstanding, Oliver's stats through 8 games are no doubt not that far from Geno Atkins and Aaron Donald and probably better than Fletcher Cox

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9 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Just wanted to point out that the stats above are bogus. Not trying to call you out OP - after all you are only citing thedraftnetwork:)

 

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Aaron Donald had 22 tackles and 3 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16716/type/nfl/year/2014

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Fletcher Cox had 24 tackles and 0 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14941/type/nfl/year/2014

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Geno Atkins had 12 tackles and 2.5 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13311/type/nfl/year/2010

Through 8 games in his rookie season, Gerald McCoy had 21 tackles and 0 sacks. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13240/type/nfl/year/2010

 

Through 8 games, Ed Oliver has 23 tackles and 2 sacks.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4039303/ed-oliver

 

Wrong stats nothwithstanding, Oliver's stats through 8 games are no doubt not that far from Geno Atkins and Aaron Donald and probably better than Fletcher Cox

 

how embarrassing for TDN, the guy that wrote it holds the title "Director of Administration".

 

I wonder if he was looking at 'games started' because Donald didn't start his first 4 and he had 1 sack so that indicates some of the difference...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DonaAa00/gamelog/2014/

 

regardless, someone should let the original writer know, I don't do Twitter or Facebook or i would.

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Through 10 played games the stats appear to be 

 

Player                    Tackles          Sacks

Donald                     28                  4

Cox                          32                  1

Atkins                      16                  3

McCoy                     27                  3

Oliver                       28                  5

 

Oliver is no doubt justifying his lofty pick status

 

 

In view of the Jets Nation labeling Quinnen Williams a bust, here are his stats through 8 played games

 

23 Tackles and 1.5 sacks

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6 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

A shot on Jets today in MMQB that they should have taken Oliver, not Williams.

Also this...never forget

 

I bet this dude can’t even stand up on a horse either...

 

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6 hours ago, wppete said:

I don’t think anyone is worried about Oliver.

There was. People complaining about no sacks, he needs a position change, etc. some fans have no patience with rookies

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I have no doubt Oliver will thrive in this system. once Harrison comes back they could be the best DT duo in the league. throw in an elite pass rusher and we have a top 3 dline in the NFL 

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8 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I wanted to suck bad enough last year for either Bosa or Oliver and I still can't believe we got Oliver at 9. I really thought we wouldn't have a chance in hell

I'd still do a lot of sucking for Bosa... extra for both of them. Throw in the Watts and well...💩

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