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1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Rudolph started the whole thing. Should have gotten at least a game. If he didn’t react by trying to take Garrett’s helmet off, none of that would have ever happened. 50k is getting off easy IMO...

he was hit WAY late. then drove to the ground. Then reacted. He didn't deserve a fine at all, let alone a suspension! ridiculous

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1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Getting into guys faces hasn’t really been grounds for suspension in the NFL.


I agree. Except that that’s not the only reason I gave. :rolleyes:

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45 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

he was hit WAY late. then drove to the ground. Then reacted. He didn't deserve a fine at all, let alone a suspension! ridiculous

 

I disagree with that narrative.  The throw was made with Garrett within a step.  He was so close, within inches actually,  that Rudolph could only make a push of a throw.  There is no way that a defender in that position can know if the ball was out unless he can see out his ear hole.  He did wrap and then take him down late with a gator roll but, again, the defender could not know if the ball was actually delivered.   That's the way to take a QB down without landing on him with his full weight which would be a penalty.  Garrett hits the ground first and Rudolph lands on top of him and then is rolled to the side.  They are then face to face.  Rudolph has played an awful game, just gotten rag dolled to the ground and takes exception to it and for some reason attempts to remove Garrett's helmet.  Mayhem results.

 

I'll bet the Bills defenders have problems with Rudolph too.  He seems like that kind of player.

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1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

he was hit WAY late. then drove to the ground. Then reacted. He didn't deserve a fine at all, let alone a suspension! ridiculous

Completely disagree. Go back and watch. He tried to rip Garrett’s helmet off first. I’m not even sure how this is debatable. 

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I would have doubled his fine and kept half and given other half to buying safer helmets for underprivileged kids in CLE and PIT little league football

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4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Completely disagree. Go back and watch. He tried to rip Garrett’s helmet off first. I’m not even sure how this is debatable. 

 

Exactly. He was being a jagoff way before he received the helmet smash. Rudolph is the lesser transgressor here for sure but he's not without blame. Tearing off someone's helmet on purpose is not nothing.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Letting Rudolph play is a bigger punishment to the Steelers than suspending him.  🤣

That is the truth 

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2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Rudolph started the whole thing. Should have gotten at least a game. If he didn’t react by trying to take Garrett’s helmet off, none of that would have ever happened. 50k is getting off easy IMO...

 

Dude, helmets don't come off on their own nearly as much as they wind up off.  That means players pull other players helmets off not infrequently.  Look at the Tre White INT after the first MIA game.  He is rolling on the ground head to head with the Miami receiver and the Mia player pulls Tre's helmet off, probably trying to get Tre to let go of the ball and make the INT less clear-cut.  Or maybe just venting.  Tre gets to his feet and runs off with the ball.

 

Pulling at a guy's helmet is not an offense that is usually fined.  Even pulling it off isn't usually fined.

 

All that said, I agree that Rudolph should be fined.  And if he wasn't the QB on a QB-down team, he probably would get a game.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

I disagree with that narrative.  The throw was made with Garrett within a step.  He was so close, within inches actually,  that Rudolph could only make a push of a throw.  There is no way that a defender in that position can know if the ball was out unless he can see out his ear hole.  He did wrap and then take him down late with a gator roll but, again, the defender could not know if the ball was actually delivered.   That's the way to take a QB down without landing on him with his full weight which would be a penalty.  Garrett hits the ground first and Rudolph lands on top of him and then is rolled to the side.  They are then face to face.  Rudolph has played an awful game, just gotten rag dolled to the ground and takes exception to it and for some reason attempts to remove Garrett's helmet.  Mayhem results.

 

I'll bet the Bills defenders have problems with Rudolph too.  He seems like that kind of player.

we agree to disagree. I watched that play many times. the ball was out 3 Full seconds before Garrett threw him down

17 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Completely disagree. Go back and watch. He tried to rip Garrett’s helmet off first. I’m not even sure how this is debatable. 

yes...he grabbed him by the facemask. Why? because the ball was LONG gone before Garrett threw him to the ground. I've watched the play a dozen times. it was a late hit/roughing the passer. Rudolph took exception to it and jerked his facemask. Thats what happened. even Ray Charles could see that

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1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

he was hit WAY late. then drove to the ground. Then reacted. He didn't deserve a fine at all, let alone a suspension! ridiculous

What game were you watching?  It wasn't a late hit and he wasn't driven to the ground.  Garrett shouldn't have swung the helmet, but Rudolph started it, then like a little banty rooster, kept going at Garrett.  Rudolph got off easy in my opinion.

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Looks like we do agree.  I said that the tackle was late but the contact was not.  Garrett had him wrapped and then gator rolled to bring him down.  How exactly would he know the ball was out?  His eyes were inches from Rudolph when the throw was made.  The throw was made out of his field of vision and there would be no whistle to stop the play in that  situation.  That was more of a takedown than a throw or a tackle.  Phrases used by others like "drove him into the ground" or "landed on him" do not fit what that video shows.

 

6 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

we agree to disagree. I watched that play many times. the ball was out 3 Full seconds before Garrett threw him down

 

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Just now, jkeerie said:

What game were you watching?  It wasn't a late hit and he wasn't driven to the ground.  Garrett shouldn't have swung the helmet, but Rudolph started it, then like a little banty rooster, kept going at Garrett.  Rudolph got off easy in my opinion.

I just Rewatched it. ok...it was more like a spin takedown. Rudolph threw the ball. he was spun down to the ground almost 3 seconds later. He's not my QB, I have no horse in this race. But I Definately consider that roughing the passer. jmo

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Just now, BuffAlone said:

I just Rewatched it. ok...it was more like a spin takedown. Rudolph threw the ball. he was spun down to the ground almost 3 seconds later. He's not my QB, I have no horse in this race. But I Definately consider that roughing the passer. jmo

And you are entitled to your opinion.  It's a shame this whole thing happened...especially with only seconds left in the game.  It marred a solid Cleveland win.  I agree with Garrett's suspension, but not indefinitely.  It should be a finite number of games, even if it does extend into next season.

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1 hour ago, Doc said:


I agree. Except that that’s not the only reason I gave. :rolleyes:

AJ Green choked out Ramsey from behind and punched him. Didn’t receive any kind of suspension after the game. 

 

 

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That seems fair.  Rudoph started it by saying "Man I need some Oxycontin." Garrett misheard and thought he said "Go back to picking cotton" to which he thought an appropriate response would be to rip his helmet off and bashing him in the head with it.  That's at least how I saw it.

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1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

I just Rewatched it. ok...it was more like a spin takedown. Rudolph threw the ball. he was spun down to the ground almost 3 seconds later. He's not my QB, I have no horse in this race. But I Definately consider that roughing the passer. jmo

 

For the record, the Bills have stated that the gator roll technique is what they teach to bring the QB down without landing on him with full body weight and drawing the personal foul.  Again, how would Garrett know the ball was out?  The ball is released almost behind his head.  

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8 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

For the record, the Bills have stated that the gator roll technique is what they teach to bring the QB down without landing on him with full body weight and drawing the personal foul.  Again, how would Garrett know the ball was out?  The ball is released almost behind his head.  

I agree with the teaching point there. However, and this might just be my opinion, and completely off base, but man...the ball was gone almost 3 full seconds before the gator roll. To me, that is as borderline roughing the passer as I've seen. again, just my opinion

11 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

And you are entitled to your opinion.  It's a shame this whole thing happened...especially with only seconds left in the game.  It marred a solid Cleveland win.  I agree with Garrett's suspension, but not indefinitely.  It should be a finite number of games, even if it does extend into next season.

I think the difference between finite and indefinite was solely based on the fact that he used the helmet as a weapon. that's borderline assault. If he hit him with the crown of the helmet instead, this could very well be a serious medical concern. and for the record, Ogunjobi is a complete punk

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7 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

I agree with the teaching point there. However, and this might just be my opinion, and completely off base, but man...the ball was gone almost 3 full seconds before the gator roll. To me, that is as borderline roughing the passer as I've seen. again, just my opinion

I think the difference between finite and indefinite was solely based on the fact that he used the helmet as a weapon. that's borderline assault. If he hit him with the crown of the helmet instead, this could very well be a serious medical concern. and for the record, Ogunjobi is a complete punk

Totally agree.

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2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Seems light to me.  If he succeeded in actually getting the helmet off, it may have gotten more.   I don’t know how they are explaining away the groin kick though.  
 

I still think he should have been suspended one game. 


 

Virgil - there was no groin kick.  There was a foot that was in the groin the Rudolph was pushing off with as Garrett is lifting him off the ground by his face mask.  
 

He did not even making a kicking motion - it was a groin push off with a guy lifting you by you face. 
 

I think the fine was ok - would not have been upset if higher, but based on outcomes previously- seems about right.  
 

Now if there is any proof of a slur - which I doubt - I think a suspension is warranted.

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2 hours ago, Keukasmallies said:

Interesting response - Rudolph fined for struggling to get out from under a player bent on keeping him on the ground.  NASCAR has nothing on the NFL.

 

He really wasn't fined for that.  I believe it was charging after Garrett after Garret pulled his helmet off, when some of his OLmen were already intervening, holding Garrett away.

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I’ll look it up again but the rule book says nothing about trying to rip a helmet off. There is a penalty for actually pulling another players helmet off. 

 

Rudoffs attempt to pull Garret’s helmet off was the equivalent of a 10 year old trying to tackle a college RB.

 

Garret successfully ripped Rudoffs helmet off and used it as a weapon. Garret should be the only player that is suspended and fined. 

 

If im Rudoff I’m fighting this one until the bitter end.

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2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’ll look it up again but the rule book says nothing about trying to rip a helmet off. There is a penalty for actually pulling another players helmet off. 

Rudoffs attempt to pull Garret’s helmet off was the equivalent of a 10 year old trying to tackle a college RB.

Garret successfully ripped Rudoffs helmet off and used it as a weapon. Garret should be the only player that is suspended and fined. 

If im Rudoff I’m fighting this one until the bitter end.

 

TBH, if Rudolph wants to have a career and respect in the league given the various opinions of defensive players I've heard....he should probably try to meet quietly with Garrett and settle their differences man-to-man, tell him, "look, I know you believe that's what you heard but I swear to God I didn't say that, we were both seeing red obviously" and see if they can apologize and clear the air.  Then go to the NFL in support of making Garrett's suspension definite. 

 

Because it seems as though right now, he's being seen by various defenders as sort of a dog who "picked a bone" and then got someone else to carry it for him, so to speak.  For examples, 'Zo Alexander in "the Lo Down" and Jalen Ramsey/Le'Veon Bell in the "17 Weeks Uninterrupted" podcast.

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11 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’ll look it up again but the rule book says nothing about trying to rip a helmet off. There is a penalty for actually pulling another players helmet off. 

 

Rudoffs attempt to pull Garret’s helmet off was the equivalent of a 10 year old trying to tackle a college RB.

 

Garret successfully ripped Rudoffs helmet off and used it as a weapon. Garret should be the only player that is suspended and fined. 

 

If im Rudoff I’m fighting this one until the bitter end.

 

I think they fined Rudolph for the potty mouth.

 

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2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

I think they fined Rudolph for the potty mouth.

 

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Is that the "racial slur" that Garret speaks of? Looks like it started with a B lol

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3 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Is that the "racial slur" that Garret speaks of? Looks like it started with a B lol

 

Okay with lip reading but no expert.  It looks like he called him a bastard.

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