The Sham Impeachment Inquiry & Whistleblower Saga: A Race to Get Ahead of the OIG

[3rdnlng]

Fair Tax. It is a consumption tax but allows everybody to be rebated tax based on the first $30-$40,000 earned. It has to be done as a sales tax but under no circumstances a Value Added Tax that could easily be manipulated by the government and hidden from the general public. It would reduce the size of the IRS and will bring in taxes that are now being avoided.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

"Trump impeachment drive has similarities to Wisconsin recall."

 

ABC News is just noticing. 

I don't need a refresher on the Wisconsin uprising against Scott Walker, but the key similarities lie in the future. After Walker-haters stormed their way to a recall election, they not only lost the recall, they lost the next regular election.

The ABC article tells us:

Walker ultimately won the recall election in June 2012, becoming a conservative hero on his way to a short-lived run for president in 2015. In a testament to Wisconsin’s political division, just five months after Walker won the recall vote, Obama cruised to victory in Wisconsin on his way to reelection....

Yeah, but Walker won his next election. That fact is tucked away in the article, here:

 

Click for more »

 

 

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[row_33]

liberal media always covers up important truths

 

Wisconsin is a Dem state, anything accomplished by the GOP there is almost miraculous

 

so Dem that Hillary knew it was in the bag and never visited

 

 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Bakin said:

I think it’s very reasonable. 
Spend big money pay big tax. 
Necessities of life can be taxed differently than other items. 

 

There’s more than one way to get revenue.  You’ve got your way. It isn’t my preferred way.

 

[B-Man]

 

Democrats Ponder Impeachment Pivot

 

The Democrats have twisted themselves into a Schiffian Knot, a modern-day unsolvable puzzle. 

 

When they plunged forward on their ill-fated impeachment voyage, they were destined to land on this surreal shore, even if their parade of bureaucratic interagency cheerleaders was even weaker than presumed. 

 

So they are in the bad place that can't be washed away with a few margaritas. They desperately want to impeach President Donald Trump, but they don't want to send this partisan presumption pile over to the Senate, where they can no longer control the list of witnesses, where hearsay will be inadmissible, and where narrative control swings to the Republicans. 

 

But if they don't impeach, their pitchfork-wielding base's fury will reach apocalyptic levels. Nancy Pelosi, like the apostle Peter near the end of his life, was led by others to where she did not want to go. She must be furious with her caustic clown caucus that maneuvered her into such an untenable position. 

 

I knew that Democrats were in deep trouble when my teenage daughter asked me to explain the current impeachment effort at the dinner table. She ended the conversation with this: "This is so dumb."

 

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...

 

 

 

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Edited November 29, 2019 by B-Man

[Deranged Rhino]

 

But the (Facts proving) "conservative conspiracy theory" about Ukraine meddling in 2016 election is FAKE because only RUSSIA did it! DUH! 

 

Ignore the evidence. 

 

Ignore your own common sense. 

 

Believe the narrative or be outcast. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Nanker said:

But Lizzy wants to try something entirely new - wealth confiscation! Just take people's wealth each and every year. There's a lot more "wealth" in the nation than there is just income. 

Fun fact:  In Massachusetts, you can elect to pay a higher state income tax rate if you choose.  Liz only started doing it in 2017.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Doc

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

Fun fact:  In Massachusetts, you can elect to pay a higher state income tax rate if you choose.  Liz only started doing in 2017.

 

The should have that for every state and for Federal Income taxes as well. Let these hypocrites like politicians & Warren Buffett they claim they should pay more in taxes actually do it. 

[snafu]

13 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

The should have that for every state and for Federal Income taxes as well. Let these hypocrites like politicians & Warren Buffett they claim they should pay more in taxes actually do it. 

 

But Liz Warren IS doing it.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

Fun fact:  In Massachusetts, you can elect to pay a higher state income tax rate if you choose.  Liz only started doing it in 2017.

 

I wouldn’t do it, but I think at a minimum it’s interesting that she’s doing it. I guess maybe she’s paying extra taxes and still donating to charitable causes? Or is the Massachusetts State Gov’t her charitable cause?  

 

That being said, she was a hypocrite and now she’s disingenuous? She can’t be actually walking the walk?

Maybe if she doesn’t get the nomination or win the election and then she stops paying extra taxes she can be called out. 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

But Liz Warren IS doing it.

 

 

 

I wouldn’t do it, but I think at a minimum it’s interesting that she’s doing it. I guess maybe she’s paying extra taxes and still donating to charitable causes? Or is the Massachusetts State Gov’t her charitable cause?  

 

That being said, she was a hypocrite and now she’s disingenuous? She can’t be actually walking the walk?

Maybe if she doesn’t get the nomination or win the election and then she stops paying extra taxes she can be called out. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah sure, she started to do it in 2017. 

1) When excatly did she decide to run for president?

2) Shocking , out of the kindness of her heart and for full disclosure she lets every knew she is doing it.  

 

Her paying more in taxes is nothing more than political posturing, a stunt.

[snafu]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Yeah sure, she started to do it in 2017. 

1) When excatly did she decide to run for president?

2) Shocking , out of the kindness of her heart and for full disclosure she lets every knew she is doing it.  

 

Her paying more in taxes is nothing more than political posturing, a stunt.

 

All I’m saying is that if she stops after she loses, then you’re right.

Can’t really say that now.

 

 

 

[Foxx]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

Fun fact:  In Massachusetts, you can elect to pay a higher state income tax rate if you choose.  Liz only started doing it in 2017.

i would advocate for an option to elect to pay less tax. whaddaya think?

[Cinga]

2 main reasons I would support a Fair Tax, but ONLY AFTER the income tax amendment were repealed! We should all know better than to give the government anything without fulfilling a promise first... 

 

First, it give Everyone a monthly rebate of the amount you paid up to specific level... This means people in low income, maybe only make 1000 a month (arbitrary number, most think this might be closer to 4000 a month), will get all of that back. Of course that amount can be changed (more on that in a moment), but the important part is that it is across the board. NO ONE is exempt from it, everyone gets it. So if you make 5000 a month, you still get that amount you would have paid on the first 1000 just like everyone else. 

 

Second, a consumption tax is truly equal, and across the board. Everyone pays the same amount percentage wise so if you're frugal like me, I might buy those dirty potatoes at the grocer, while you might be willing to pay more for the nice clean ones. Our own personal choice.

Maybe I'm just saving that potato money to buy an expensive TV soon to watch the Bills game on. Regardless however, we all pay the same percentage, but still the freedom of individual choices.

 

So there we have it... A tax that is fair across the board, yet STILL HELPS the lower income people through the monthly rebate. 

 

But now come the bestest part of all!!!!!!! If you decide to raise that tax, or to raise or lower the rebate level, it is also applied equally across all levels. So it in fact, affects EVERYONE! Look at this thread... The debate is who should pay more right? We have all thee levels of income tax, yet from top to bottom most in those brackets feel they pay too much, while others don't pay enough!

 

Divide and conquer??????????????? Almost ALL our political arguments have to do with taxes and funding! 

 

If, and only IF... we all pay the same will we ever feel we, and the taxes we pay, are truly equal.

[DC Tom]

21 hours ago, Bakin said:

This is a far preferable option. 
Consume - pay tax. 
Much better than Earn - pay tax. 

 

Consume what?  Food?  Beverages?  Steel?  Acrylic?  Kilowatts?  

 

I mean...kilowatt-hours.  The only thing all forms of "consumption" have in common is the energy of production and distribution.  So maybe tax an effective measure of energy production, transportation, and distribution.

 

Maybe like...a carbon tax?  

[Bakin]

45 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Consume what?  Food?  Beverages?  Steel?  Acrylic?  Kilowatts?  

 

I mean...kilowatt-hours.  The only thing all forms of "consumption" have in common is the energy of production and distribution.  So maybe tax an effective measure of energy production, transportation, and distribution.

 

Maybe like...a carbon tax?  

No definitely not a carbon tax. 
probably should follow some kind of reverse diamond-water paradox. 
basic necessities should be taxed lower (or not at all) in comparison to non-essentials. 

But let people keep their income. 

[Doc]

17 hours ago, Foxx said:

i would advocate for an option to elect to pay less tax. whaddaya think?

 

I figured you already did...

[row_33]

A carbon tax that starts with $100,000,000 USD in tax penalty to take a private jet to a Global Warming conference

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

ASSOCIATED PRESS: Swing-State Voters Skeptical of Impeachment. 

 

 

Probably due to the lack of any discernible high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

 

 

 

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[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/swampys8th/status/1200597245218869248

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

No one could have predicted this ... wait. Nope. Everyone did but TDSers and the usual low information crew down here. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1200788975637716993

 

What spin. 

[B-Man]

‘Are you kidding?’ AP performs ‘Olympic-level mental gymnastics’ for report on how Republicans are weaponizing impeachment

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

No one could have predicted this ... wait. Nope. Everyone did but TDSers and the usual low information crew down here. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1200788975637716993

 

What spin. 

 

LMAO. They actually managed to turn the impeachment schiffshow into a "Republicans pounce" narrative. That's awesome!

[Doc]

I actually don't think what the AP said is wrong/bad.  Repubs are wielding it as an offensive weapon now because it was such an epic fail for the Dems.

[row_33]

17 hours ago, B-Man said:

‘Are you kidding?’ AP performs ‘Olympic-level mental gymnastics’ for report on how Republicans are weaponizing impeachment

Trump wins again 

[Tiberius]

22 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

ASSOCIATED PRESS: Swing-State Voters Skeptical of Impeachment. 

 

 

Probably due to the lack of any discernible high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

 

 

 

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This isn't going to help in Trumps reelection. People know he's a scum bag, they just want to kick him out the regular way,  even if no man was more justly impeached 

[B-Man]

How the Great Impeachment Debacle of 2020 Can Be Avoided

by E. Donald Elliott

Original Article

 

FTA:

 

It remains to be seen whether the human beings of the Democratic persuasion who serve in the House of Representatives will have sufficient foresight to avert the Great Impeachment Debacle of 2020. Imagine it is 2021 and Donald Trump has just been reelected after a bruising impeachment trial in the Senate, which exposed misdeeds by Democrats, the FBI, and the career bureaucracy, as well as by the administration. Perhaps Nancy Pelosi is still speaker of the House and perhaps not, but either way, Americans will be even angrier and more divided. The worst outcome from the Democrats’ perspective is if Donald Trump survives impeachment, gets reelected, and the Republicans take a majority of the House; in that increasingly plausible scenario, few if any checks and balances remain to temper the excesses of Trump’s revolution. “If you strike at a king, you must kill him,” Emerson wrote. Trump is no king, but neither is he above revenge against his political opponents. The question is what that revenge will be.

 

The only winner if we set up the circular firing squad of an unsuccessful impeachment trial is Vladimir Putin. As civil discourse and bipartisan compromise seem increasingly things of the past, Russians must be gloating in the Kremlin as they watch the American political class tear itself apart. The Russians have been using disinformation since the 1950s to try to turn us one against another. Fiona Hill, the national security expert on Russia who recently testified in the House impeachment inquiry, is undoubtedly right that Russia’s goal in all of this was to turn us against one another, not to elect one presidential candidate as opposed to the other. Whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton became our president in 2016 didn’t affect the Russians that much, but they reasoned that if they could sow the seeds of civil division, as they appear to have done, that could paralyze us as a country and prevent us from addressing our many pressing problems. Alas, they appear to be well on the way to succeeding.

 

The late Woody Hayes, Ohio State football coach and Midwestern philosopher, was asked why his teams passed infrequently. “When you throw a forward pass,” he said, “three things can happen and two of them are bad.” With impeachment also, three things can happen and two of them are bad: Trump can be removed, with about half the country believing it was a coup d’état, or Trump can be acquitted on a party-line vote, with civic division deepening and possibly the Democrats losing the House as a counterweight to future Trumpian excesses.

 

Fortunately, there is a third option that is much less bad than the other two. Rather than impeach Trump, the Democratic majority in the House can pass a resolution censuring the president for asking a foreign power to investigate a political opponent. That is a sure thing, as it only requires a majority vote in the Democrat-controlled House. It also has the virtue of appealing to the common sense of most Americans. Approximately 70 percent of the American people believe Donald Trump made a mistake by mentioning the Bidens when asking the newly elected president of Ukraine to investigate corruption, but roughly half of Americans also believe that his misstep was not serious enough to justify his removal from office.

 

“A good settlement is one that causes everyone to walk away a little unhappy,” we lawyers say. Censure satisfies that criterion. Many Republicans would feel President Trump was treated too harshly, and many Democrats would feel he got off too easy. Compromises generally have the defining feature that no one gets his or her own way entirely. But censure would be good for the country as it could mark a historic turn back to bipartisan compromise.

 

It remains to be seen whether we will go over the cliff of impeachment or come to our senses before we do even more damage to our shared country.

 

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

No WONDER! Rep. Ratcliffe explains WHY Schiff is withholding ICIG Michael Atkinson’s closed-door 8+ hour testimony

[row_33]

Just now, B-Man said:

No WONDER! Rep. Ratcliffe explains WHY Schiff is withholding ICIG Michael Atkinson’s closed-door 8+ hour testimony

you only bring out the first real evidence after weeks of public hearings?

[/dev/null]

On 11/29/2019 at 1:48 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Yeah sure, she started to do it in 2017. 

1) When excatly did she decide to run for president?

2) Shocking , out of the kindness of her heart and for full disclosure she lets every knew she is doing it.  

 

Her paying more in taxes is nothing more than political posturing, a stunt.

 

On 11/29/2019 at 1:51 PM, snafu said:

 

All I’m saying is that if she stops after she loses, then you’re right.

Can’t really say that now.

 

 

 

 

I could care less about Liz's political stunt of voluntarily paying a higher tax rate and if she continues after the election

 

I just hope she has realized that puppy she adopted is more than a campaign prop

[B-Man]

      ALL THE PRESIDENT’S MEN, TAKE 2

 

Lee Smith is the author of The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in US History. The book is an invaluable companion to Andrew McCarthy’s Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency; it adds to and amplifies the case McCarthy makes. I wrote about McCarthy’s book in “All the president’s men, Obama style.” Smith’s book elaborates on the theme to which I alluded in the heading of that post. I urge all readers with an interest in this incredible scandal to read both books.

 

Lee Smith is a great journalist. This bears on one of the book’s principal themes: the complicity of the press in peddling the hoax alleging the collusion of the Trump campaign with organs of the Russian government. In peddling the hoax, the most prominent organs of the mainstream media were the accomplices of the perpetrators. The book cites the relevant stories and relentlessly names names demonstrating the “collusion” of the press with the Clinton campaign and the government — the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Justice — in peddling the Russian hoax as news.

 

Within the profession there has been no reckoning for the misconduct that the book makes out. On the contrary, at the profession’s upper reaches, we have seen only the renewed commitment to carry on the campaign to remove Trump from office. This book may be the closest we ever get to the day of reckoning that is due the press.

 

We published an excerpt illustrative of this strand of the book this past Friday. In this excerpt Smith addressed the January 10, 2017 CNN story “Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him.” Running under the byline of Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Jake Tapper and Carl Bernstein, the story peddled the Russia hoax based on the patently absurd Steele Dossier, which had not yet been made public. As the book notes, the story referred to the dossier’s most serious charge, “allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.”

 

Immediately following the CNN story BuzzFeed published the Steele Dossier. Tapper thought that the publication of the Steele Dossier detracted from the credibility of his story based on it. It certainly did for anyone who read it with a shred of critical intellect. The logic of Tapper’s consternation, however, dictated against the publication of the CNN story and the relentless propagation of the hoax by CNN and others for the first two years of the Trump administration.

 

Nevertheless, Tapper needn’t have worried. The Steele Dossier still serves as a sort of gospel on the left. They still believe.

 

A second theme of the book is the role of the Obama administration in perpetrating the Russia hoax. Following the 2016 election, the Russia hoax involved the orchestrated disempowerment of the incoming administration and the removal of Trump from office. While the press held itself out as pursuing Trump in a scandal with echoes of Watergate, the scandal represented the handiwork of the Obama administration and the press served as its handmaiden. Referring to the method of operation pioneered by Obama to support the Iran deal, Smith puts it this way: “It was Obama who was most like Nixon, because Trump’s predecessor used the resources of the federal government, sensitive surveillance program and staff, to spy on his opponents.”

 

Smith writes: “The coup started almost immediately after the polls closed.” The ground had been well laid by then.

 

A third theme of the book is the revelation of the coup. This gives the book its subtitle: “The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in US History.” The book reminds us that much of what we know about the Russia hoax is attributable to the work of Devin Nunes, and it reports how Nunes has paid the price. I have embedded a copy of the Nunes memo released on February 2018 at the bottom of this post. For much of what we have learned to date we owe Rep. Nunes a debt of gratitude.

 

More at the Link:

 

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Edited December 1, 2019 by B-Man

[B-Man]

 

 

What’s the rush?

Schiff’s committee is only giving members 24 hours to review the impeachment report before voting

 

 

 

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Edited December 1, 2019 by B-Man

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1200952767910682625

 

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What’s the rush?

Schiff’s committee is only giving members 24 hours to review the impeachment report before voting

 

 

 

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so... they are going to vote on whether or not to approve the report which will probably allege high crimes and misdemeanors before the Judiciary holds their hearing Wednesday on what the constitutional threshold for impeachment should be? i'm telling you, you just can't make this ***** up.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

so... they are going to vote on whether or not to approve the report which will probably allege high crimes and misdemeanors before the Judiciary holds their hearing Wednesday on what the constitutional threshold for impeachment should be? i'm telling you, you just can't make this ***** up.

they need a life

 

and they are setting up such a bear trap on their balls when the shoe is on the other foot

 

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

they need a life

 

and they are setting up such a bear trap on their balls when the shoe is on the other foot

 

i mean, they have to suffer from a cognitive dissonance so large that it would span not only space, but all of time as well.

[row_33]

7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i mean, they have to suffer from a cognitive dissonance so large that it would span not only space, but all of time as well.

try to teach children that ideas and actions do matter, it’s not a big game or joke if things don’t go your way all the time

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.scribd.com/document/437787363/White-House-Response-to-HJC-Impeachment-Groundwork-Hearing

[Warren Zevon]

Lisa Page spittin fire

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, Gary Busey said:

Lisa Page spittin fire

I haven't read thru the texts so I dunno if she spits or swallows