row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nanker said: And most adults in this country steep themselves in the liberal media marinade when they get home from work. It's an incessant battery of systemically infused mental-poison cocktails designed to keep the herd going in one direction... forward! i still like Led Zeppelin into my 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, dubs said: This makes no sense. No one is saying that parents have no responsibility. It’s a separate issue. Kids in government schools spend at least 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 9 months in these schools. Taxpayers pay hundred of thousands of dollars on taxes to fund these government schools over the course of a lifetime. To say that parents should just focus on themselves and get more involved is a weird attempt at deflecting from these facts. As opposed to what? Have you ever paid for day care? Schools offer so much to communities and kids lives. Sports, socialization, the learning, schools are great. Public education is one of the best parts of our society. Most parents are very thankful for the school systems they live near. 16 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I don't expect to do battle with the teachers I pay to tell the truth. Do you believe in the Big Bang theory and evolutionary biology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, dubs said: This makes no sense. No one is saying that parents have no responsibility. It’s a separate issue. Kids in government schools spend at least 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 9 months in these schools. Taxpayers pay hundred of thousands of dollars on taxes to fund these government schools over the course of a lifetime. To say that parents should just focus on themselves and get more involved is a weird attempt at deflecting from these facts. Lots of people pay lots of taxes for things they don't use or don't believe in. That's just part of living in a civilized country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: As opposed to what? Have you ever paid for day care? Schools offer so much to communities and kids lives. Sports, socialization, the learning, schools are great. Public education is one of the best parts of our society. Most parents are very thankful for the school systems they live near. Do you believe in the Big Bang theory and evolutionary biology? Do you believe those times when you "feel pretty" that you should be able to visit the girl's room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Lots of people pay lots of taxes for things they don't use or don't believe in. That's just part of living in a civilized country. No it’s not. The country was quite civilized before the advent of the Federal Reserve and the income tax (1913 and 1914 respectively, and non-coincidentally). More civilized, in fact, as the nation wasn’t plunging itself into extremely costly (in terms of both lives and real wealth) wars on other continents in order to funnel wealth into the pockets of banking and business elites. That “tax is the cost of cost of civilization” is a lie taught to the toiling masses in order that they believe they are dependent of those elites who casually rob them and toss their lives away to enrich themselves. Edited November 27, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I don't expect to do battle with the teachers I pay to tell the truth. kids don't pay attention to what the teacher says well, the Hillary's do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: kids don't pay attention to what the teacher says well, the Hillary's do.... Then we should eliminate school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Then we should eliminate school. . it's an interesting set of concepts on how to best develop a mind that has a chance at learning something i haven't seen a fool-proof method the best seems to be being a millionaire and waiting out your silly son until he decides to buckle down, then you get him into law school and a top job when he graduates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No it’s not. The country was quite civilized before the advent of the Federal Reserve and the income tax (1913 and 1914 respectively, and non-coincidentally). More civilized, in fact, as the nation wasn’t plunging itself into extremely costly (in terms of both lives and real wealth) wars on other continents in order to funnel wealth into the pockets of banking and business elites. That “tax is the cost of cost of civilization” is a lie taught to the toiling masses in order that they believe they are dependent of those elites who casually rob them and toss their lives away to enrich themselves. More civilized? They were lynching black people in the south, race wars, labor wars, women without the vote or rights and conservatives running around screaming we need to outlaw alcohol because things were so bad. Stupid point on your part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No it’s not. The country was quite civilized before the advent of the Federal Reserve and the income tax (1913 and 1914 respectively, and non-coincidentally). More civilized, in fact, as the nation wasn’t plunging itself into extremely costly (in terms of both lives and real wealth) wars on other continents in order to funnel wealth into the pockets of banking and business elites. That “tax is the cost of cost of civilization” is a lie taught to the toiling masses in order that they believe they are dependent of those elites who casually rob them and toss their lives away to enrich themselves. How do you pay for any social services without taxes? Who builds the roads and bridges? Who pays the fire department and police? Who pays the military? Who builds and maintains sewers and waste removal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I don't expect to do battle with the teachers I pay to tell the your truth. The above edit is what you mean. I would like teachers to teach my child how to think, not what to think. 10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No it’s not. The country was quite civilized before the advent of the Federal Reserve and the income tax (1913 and 1914 respectively, and non-coincidentally). More civilized, in fact, as the nation wasn’t plunging itself into extremely costly (in terms of both lives and real wealth) wars on other continents in order to funnel wealth into the pockets of banking and business elites. That “tax is the cost of cost of civilization” is a lie taught to the toiling masses in order that they believe they are dependent of those elites who casually rob them and toss their lives away to enrich themselves. I like Ayn Rand too, but there's a practical side to living in a community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: More civilized? They were lynching black people in the south, race wars, labor wars, women without the vote or rights and conservatives running around screaming we need to outlaw alcohol because things were so bad. Stupid point on your part Thankfully we've replaced that time in history with the Bloombergs', Jackson Lees', Pelosis', amd Waters' of today's pollitical landscape, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Keukasmallies said: Thankfully we've replaced that time in history with the Bloombergs', Jackson Lees', Pelosis', amd Waters' of today's pollitical landscape, eh? the best time to be alive is right now, and people still gripe and complain all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Most Scandinavian Countries. Maybe a few other European countries. As for why, that's an extremely complicated answer. The US is unique in a variety of reasons (guns, healthcare, military spending, etc). Many staples of the US identity aren't found in most parts of the developed world. I think your perception is being clouded by a familiarity gap. IE, you’re more familiar with the machinations of the elites in the US, and are therefore working off assumptions that these other nations aren’t just as steeped (in many cases more steeped, simply because the History of Europe has produced untold dynastic wealth because of Monarchy and it’s longer history) in elites as the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: How do you pay for any social services without taxes? Who builds the roads and bridges? Who pays the fire department and police? Who pays the military? Who builds and maintains sewers and waste removal? We are the government! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Most Scandinavian Countries. that lack diversity. 49 minutes ago, jrober38 said: As for why, that's an extremely complicated answer. The US is unique in a variety of reasons... including diversity. Not just talking about skin color here with respect to diversity. Very few countries have what we have. (India laughs at our "diversity.") 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said: Thankfully we've replaced that time in history with the Bloombergs', Jackson Lees', Pelosis', amd Waters' of today's pollitical landscape, eh? Things are a heck of a lot better than a hundred years ago. Not sure why the modern Democratic Party scares you so much. Huge majorities of the elderly today owe their easy lives to Democratic Party policies. A hundred years ago, the elderly lived shorter poorer lives. Now they are one of the wealthiest groups in society. And black people can now now move into the middle class, thanks largely to the civil rights movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, row_33 said: the best time to be alive is right now, and people still gripe and complain all the time Little known fact there, Sammy...the worst year to be alive has been scientifically shown to be 536 AD. [/Claven] Edit: yes, you laugh. But google it. Edited November 27, 2019 by DC Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: the best time to be alive is right now, and people still gripe and complain all the time I've been mocked for making this point time and again. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: How do you pay for any social services without taxes? Who builds the roads and bridges? Who pays the fire department and police? Who pays the military? Who builds and maintains sewers and waste removal? Localism and volunteerism. Local government is more responsive to the needs and wants of its citizens because it’s leaders reside in the same neighborhoods and live under similar conditions, and face direct personal consequences for corruption. Roads existed before the income tax. Fire and police departments existed before the income tax. The military existed before the income tax. People will pay for things they find value in without the threat of being locked in cages by men with guns. Rule of thumb: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, John Adams said: The above edit is what you mean. I would like teachers to teach my child how to think, not what to think. I like Ayn Rand too, but there's a practical side to living in a community. Yes, our children should be taught how to think along with a true history of the USA. I don't believe in tearing down statues and turning our founding fathers into nefarious people. Our republic is special and to lessen its status in the world is allowing the liberal teacher unions to make us comparable to the weak socialistic countries of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, John Adams said: I like Ayn Rand too, but there's a practical side to living in a community. Strawman. There are solutions which don’t include the protection of a global caste system which preys upon the common man. In fact, tight knit communities are central to those solutions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Yes, our children should be taught how to think along with a true history of the USA. I don't believe in tearing down statues and turning our founding fathers into nefarious people. Our republic is special and to lessen its status in the world is allowing the liberal teacher unions to make us comparable to the weak socialistic countries of Europe. I’d love to see you teach a lesson on slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I miss Ayn, she was a fun character on the talk shows an Economics prof used to do a re-enactment of the dialogue of Ayn and her sex slave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: I’d love to see you teach a lesson on slavery. I''d love to see you take a lesson on goddamn anything. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 asking "could you imagine having that demand you to [for modesty sake I cannot finish this sentence...]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Yes, our children should be taught how to think along with a true history of the USA. I don't believe in tearing down statues and turning our founding fathers into nefarious people. Our republic is special and to lessen its status in the world is allowing the liberal teacher unions to make us comparable to the weak socialistic countries of Europe. There is no "true history" of the USA. The founding fathers were people. Great, and imperfect. The more you adhere to a top down True History, the more you sound like the totalitarian countries you claim to dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: There is no "true history" of the USA. The founding fathers were people. Great, and imperfect. The more you adhere to a top down True History, the more you sound like the totalitarian countries you claim to dislike. what the bleep???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Localism and volunteerism. Local government is more responsive to the needs and wants of its citizens because it’s leaders reside in the same neighborhoods and live under similar conditions, and face direct personal consequences for corruption. Roads existed before the income tax. Fire and police departments existed before the income tax. The military existed before the income tax. People will pay for things they find value in without the threat of being locked in cages by men with guns. Rule of thumb: This is a total pipe dream in 2019. Social services would be completely gutted to the point where they'd be useless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Strawman. Sounds like I hit the strawman where it hurt. 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: There are solutions which that don’t include the protection of a global caste system which that preys upon the common man. In fact, tight knit communities are central to those solutions. 1 minute ago, row_33 said: what the bleep???? He's the one advocating for teaching the one True History, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Most Scandinavian Countries. Maybe a few other European countries. As for why, that's an extremely complicated answer. The US is unique in a variety of reasons (guns, healthcare, military spending, etc). Many staples of the US identity aren't found in most parts of the developed world. Horseshit. You're just proving you don't understand how those countries work if you don't think they're run by "elites". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Horseshit. You're just proving you don't understand how those countries work if you don't think they're run by "elites". Really? No one's going to point out that people complaining about Trump's being a monarch are extolling the virtues of Scandinavian monarchies? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Adams said: There is no "true history" of the USA. The founding fathers were people. Great, and imperfect. The more you adhere to a top down True History, the more you sound like the totalitarian countries you claim to dislike. Ah, now I remember why I got away from discussing anything with you. You twist what other people say and misrepresent their arguments. Yes, our founding fathers were imperfect people but tearing them down is nothing but an attempt to belittle our constitution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I''d love to see you take a lesson on goddamn anything. Like on punctuation? “”””””””” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Ah, now I remember why I got away from discussing anything with you. You twist what other people say and misrepresent their arguments. Yes, our founding fathers were imperfect people but tearing them down is nothing but an attempt to belittle our constitution. Correct. That's his whole schtick through multiple alts. He's a clown. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yes, history is in the eye of the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: This is a total pipe dream in 2019. Social services would be completely gutted to the point where they'd be useless. As they should be. There are a very small amount of people who are unable to work and provide for themselves. The overwhelming majority of individuals on public assistance are there because they choose not to be productive, and have made a series of very poor decisions because the system in place has enabled them to do so. With the removal of the welfare state private charities are more than able to service the needs of those who would remain behind. The system, as it exists, manufactures intergenerational poverty by creating a culture of normalized dependence. This is an extreme cruelty, and it is purposeful, as this reality: soft slavery under the guise of “help”, is a necessary part of the elite’s ploy to keep common man subjugated under their yoke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Im visiting Harpers Ferry Friday. John Brown, freedom fighter or terrorist? @DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like on punctuation? “”””””””” You probably don't need a lesson on punctuation or spelling. If you weren't so careless and lacking of pride in your work you wouldn't be always ***** up. Use spellcheck and take a peek of your work before posting. Don't be a dumbshit. 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Im visiting Harpers Ferry Friday. John Brown, freedom fighter or terrorist? @DC Tom Somehow I believe you when you say you are visiting a fairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: You probably don't need a lesson on punctuation or spelling. If you weren't so careless and lacking of pride in your work you wouldn't be always ***** up. Use spellcheck and take a peek of your work before posting. Don't be a dumbshit. It’s the no pride in my work here thing. You mean “a peek at your work”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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