Rico Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: I view them more as a team, especially in the late Nix era. In 2013, I strongly believe that Whaley was running most things, not Nix, who I believe had basically checked out. I think it’s better for Whaley to give him the benefit of the doubt on the EJ pick than the credit for the Hughes trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GG said: Why isn't it an apt comparison? Jauron is a famously mediocre head coach, who once presided over a 13-3 team. What has McDermott done so far to prove that he can be an upper echelon coach? The team is 5-2, with squeaky wins over bottom feeders and looked inept against a roiling Eagles squad. They have yet to put together a complete game on both sides of the line. That smacks of being average. Well, if comparisons to other coaches is your benchmark: McDermott is 20-19 as a head coach. At the exact same point in his career, Bill Bilichick was 14-25. What had he done to prove he could be an upper echelon coach? This is such a ridiculous and pointless exercise. But it is what happens when you cannot intellectually defend your positions. Edited October 30, 2019 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Well, if comparisons to other coaches is your benchmark: McDermott is 20-19 as a head coach. At the exact same point in his career, Bill Bilichick was 14-25. What had he done to prove he could be an upper echelon coach? This is such a ridiculous and pointless exercise. But it is what happens when you cannot intellecytually defend your positions. You do realize that the same comparison was used for Jauron? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rico said: I think it’s better for Whaley to give him the benefit of the doubt on the EJ pick than the credit for the Hughes trade. I'm not really trying to pump up Whaley. I was just pointing out that he wasn't some sort of mad trader on deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: You do realize that the same comparison was used for Jauron? The point here, however difficult it appears to be for you to grasp, is that it is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT to McDermott what any other coach did at any point in NFL history. If you would like to make some sort of intelligent argument as to why what Jauron (or anyone else) did is relevant to McDermott, I would be more than willing to listen. I'll wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: The point here, however difficult it appears to be for you to grasp, is that it is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT to McDermott what any other coach did at any point in NFL history. If you would like to make some sort of intelligent argument as to why what Jauron (or anyone else) did is relevant to McDermott, I would be more than willing to listen. I'll wait.... But then should the past moves also be irrelevant to him? If Nix and Whaley made bad moves in the past, what does it have to do with him and his current front office and roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, One Buffalo said: Here is the clip - Sounds like McDermott is the GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Nix and Whaley made dumb decisions. We also did, but we've learned from it. - McD, kind of Oh, and Russ Brandon. The beacon of good decisionmaking. Whaley’s most irresponsible decision was letting humans play football. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Well this would a good time for him to take a page of out the Bill Belichick guide to speaking to the media. Agreed. Let your non-answers be the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: The point here, however difficult it appears to be for you to grasp, is that it is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT to McDermott what any other coach did at any point in NFL history. If you would like to make some sort of intelligent argument as to why what Jauron (or anyone else) did is relevant to McDermott, I would be more than willing to listen. I'll wait.... Same logic as lazily bringing up a midseason record without providing any context. Debatable facts are that McDermott has apparently brought discipline and accountability to the team, yet his team is at the top of mistakes and penalties, and has been getting worse since 2017. Fact is that his record is around 500, but his teams get overwhelmed by top competition and barely survive against weak opponents. This was an interesting time for McDermott to get snarky. You expect to see a quantum leap in year 3 of a coach's tenure. Yet despite multitude of draft picks in 3 years and a slew of free agents this year, you still see a team that squeaks out wins against very weak opponents and looks pretty bad against strong opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, GG said: Patrick Mahomes approves of this message. Without the benefit of hindsight, do you honestly believe that a defensive head coach that had been in the building for 3 months should have drafted a 1st round QB based on the last regime's scouting, before his own GM was hired? Does that strike you as responsible decision making? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: But then should the past moves also be irrelevant to him? If Nix and Whaley made bad moves in the past, what does it have to do with him and his current front office and roster. Completely different discussion. However, since you asked, I have no idea why he made the comment that there have been far too many years of irresponsible decisions. It is an accurate assessment; however, not necessary. Their decisions are not relevant to what is currently happening. But, again, a completely different topic than the one I was responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Whaley’s most irresponsible decision was letting humans play football. And trying to push EJ on new coach candidates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: Same logic as lazily bringing up a midseason record without providing any context. Debatable facts are that McDermott has apparently brought discipline and accountability to the team, yet his team is at the top of mistakes and penalties, and has been getting worse since 2017. Fact is that his record is around 500, but his teams get overwhelmed by top competition and barely survive against weak opponents. This was an interesting time for McDermott to get snarky. You expect to see a quantum leap in year 3 of a coach's tenure. Yet despite multitude of draft picks in 3 years and a slew of free agents this year, you still see a team that squeaks out wins against very weak opponents and looks pretty bad against strong opponents. Is that what we have to do now? Qualify each and every win and overall record of every team? Where does it end and what does it tell us. Philly beat us, but they lost to Dallas, who lost to the jets, who we beat. So, what does that exactly say? This is so non-sensical. Why are you so unhappy that you have to find a way to diminish anything good about this team? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Without the benefit of hindsight, do you honestly believe that a defensive head coach that had been in the building for 3 months should have drafted a 1st round QB based on the last regime's scouting, before his own GM was hired? Does that strike you as responsible decision making? With the benefit of knowing that success in this league depends solely on landing a franchise QB, and knowing that the team that hired you has had a franchise QB drought for 2 decades, your inclination should be to devote every second of those 3 months to determine whether Trubisky, Mahomes or Watson are worthy of a No. 10 pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yup, and they backed themselves into a corner in Whaley's first year where they just had to draft one early, and it just so happened to be one of the worst years ever for QBs. They botched up the position for so long in so many different ways, obviously. If EJ wasn’t Whaley’s guy, Whaley would have eventually drafted a QB high over the next 5 years, but he didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: I think Sal has it right about what is going on here. Lots of speculation about the McDermott comments and I'm sure he and Beane have been getting a lot of questions about trades. Seems they got a little tired of it and thus the statement. For me there is nothing to see here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Is that what we have to do now? Qualify each and every win and overall record of every team? Where does it end and what does it tell us. Philly beat us, but they lost to Dallas, who lost to the jets, who we beat. So, what does that exactly say? This is so non-sensical. Why are you so unhappy that you have to find a way to diminish anything good about this team? I'm happy with the record. I'm not convinced that McDermott has earned anything beyond being a mediocre head coach. The two thoughts can coexist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Looks like green was expecting to get traded based on the article today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Without the benefit of hindsight, do you honestly believe that a defensive head coach that had been in the building for 3 months should have drafted a 1st round QB based on the last regime's scouting, before his own GM was hired? Does that strike you as responsible decision making? Oooh oooh. I’ll jump in. Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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