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It’s hard to have an identity when they do so few things well. I don’t care about identity as much as scoring points, which means catching passes, blocking to set up screens , not false starting etc etc 

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Hard to have an identity on offense when the HC makes building the defense a priority in years 1 and 2 of a complete rebuild.  Well, aside from drafting a QB they did very little on offense in (EDIT: 2017-18), hurried to catch up this past off-season and expected the offense to make a huge leap to being average from 2018.  

 

It has failed miserably through 7 games.  

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16 minutes ago, vorpma said:

We lost, the seasons over and the "sky is falling!"

A bit dismissive.  What intelligent, well reasoned point are you making here?  I think this thread is valid regardless of the outcome. 

 

Could you have defined our identity after last week's game?  The sky is not falling, we lost to a good team.  No disgrace there.

 

I'd just like to see us do something in particular well to help us build consistency and confidence offensively.

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It seems like the Bills would like to say they're a run oriented offense with play action passing but in reality their a hack rushing offense and end up putting JA in position to have to play perfect football in order to proceed.  In this game Singletary made a nice run after the catch to score 1 TD,  but did anyone else on offense make any great plays?  Bills want Allen to run the ball on 3rd and 4th and 2's but don't want him to play "reckless".  I think Allen is learning to play exactly how the Bills coaching staff wants him to and that is a big part of the problem! 

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30 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

He appears to be a problem, he’s certainly not THE problem.

This is well said.

 

"Play calling" may not be the best it could be but it has nothing to do with why we lost today or why we lost to the Patriots.

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, thronethinker said:

Players are constantly getting plays confused. Saw it multiple times today. 

 

They've already said it's the most complicated offense they've ever dealt with. Not to mention Dumbell's plays take way too long to develop. And this puts Josh at risk of strip sack fumbles. I don't see Dumbell surviving after the season.

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There is plenty of blame to go around after this game for sure. The play calling is a head scratcher for sure at times. The big problem I have is not making proper use of a dynamic player like Singletary. The guy was showing really great numbers for his limited touches early on before the hamstring injury, now he is finally back and again being totally under utilized. Get this guy the ball, especially out in space and good things happen as with today’s TD. The OC’s decision to keep this guy on the bench or only used as a decoy is just plain dumb and really unexplainable.

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Not sure why we don’t run the ball more with our RB’s, but it’s hard to gameplan around an inaccurate, turnover prone QB, who can’t hit a deep ball.  

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We started the season with rhythm passing, short completions, move the chains.   Keeps Josh upright and the offense gets good time of possession.

 

Now we will go entire halves with none of that.    

 

Easy to blame the OC, but C'mon Daboll you have to take into account how your defense is playing, weather etc., and adjust man.

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33 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Tough to do when you only get 9 carries the entire game.  We ran the ball a whole 12 times today in crap weather with our RB's.

 

 

 


Agreed. It’s been the same most of the season. I think Gore had 4 of those carries on the first two drives. Lol

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29 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Hard to have an identity on offense when the HC makes building the defense a priority in years 1 and 2 of a complete rebuild.  Well, aside from drafting a QB they did very little on offense in (EDIT: 2017-18), hurried to catch up this past off-season and expected the offense to make a huge leap to being average from 2018.  

 

It has failed miserably through 7 games.  

I wouldn't say miserably. But the offense still isn't any good.... and even with the rebuild focusing on defense first the defense is still atrocious at times. 

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32 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Hard to have an identity on offense when the HC makes building the defense a priority in years 1 and 2 of a complete rebuild.  Well, aside from drafting a QB they did very little on offense in (EDIT: 2017-18), hurried to catch up this past off-season and expected the offense to make a huge leap to being average from 2018.  

 

It has failed miserably through 7 games.  


QB 7th overall, 2 OTs and a WR taken at the top of the 2nd round.

 

McD is a defensive HC and he hasn’t had good OCs leading his offense. 

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2 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

We started the season with rhythm passing, short completions, move the chains.   Keeps Josh upright and the offense gets good time of possession.

 

Now we will go entire halves with none of that.    

 

Easy to blame the OC, but C'mon Daboll you have to take into account how your defense is playing, weather etc., and adjust man.

Defensive units have a pretty clear cut goal - prevent the other team from scoring and try to make them punt, get a turnover when you can.  

On offense it should be try to score every time you have the ball.  In certain situations such as the end of a half or end of game then worry about managing the clock.  Bills coaches seem perfectly content to just try to get a first down and then punt and play field position.   

Successful teams: Whats are plan on offense?  To score a touchdown! How we going to do that?  Get first downs!  

Bills - Whats are plan on offense?  Run some plays and see if they work, run some time off the clock, then punt and play field position, let the defense win it.  

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What was the game plan today?  

 

I know what the Eagles was.  Screens.  And beat us up front.  Carson you can run with it when you can.  And pick on Wallace.

 

What were we trying to do?

 

Should have been attacking their #2 corner all day.

....but hold on.  Our #2 WR was in the CFL last year and that team is familiar with Beasley.  

 

 

I know Josh has to hold on to the ball.  But I saw the QB run coming from my chair and I was thinking "too predictable."

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One of my biggest issues with Daboll is his lack of a plan for Singletary. Hes capable of making guys miss yet Daboll can’t scheme up screen passes to Singletary to save his life. I’m often surprised when I even see him in the game. Why go after a RB in the 3rd round and literally have no plan for him.

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1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

Tough to do when you only get 9 carries the entire game.  We ran the ball a whole 12 times today in crap weather with our RB's.

 

 

 


Against a team that’s laughably bad against the pass and pretty good against the run. Also we had more than 12 called runs. The called QB runs are a part of the run game too even if you don’t like taking advantage of one of the QB’s biggest strengths. 

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58 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Tough to do when you only get 9 carries the entire game.  We ran the ball a whole 12 times today in crap weather with our RB's.

 

 

 

Thank You!!!

A young QBs best friends are his running game and TEs. There seems to be NO decision to emphasize either. 
IF you are going to throw this much how about shorter digs and outs that a strong straight line thrower has a higher percentage of hitting.

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How about featuring the More Explosive and Dynamic Back early. Waiting until the 3rd QTR is unacceptable. 
 

Gore has a roll and it shouldn’t be the feature back. 

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20 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Thank You!!!

A young QBs best friends are his running game and TEs. There seems to be NO decision to emphasize either. 
IF you are going to throw this much how about shorter digs and outs that a strong straight line thrower has a higher percentage of hitting.


Knox has been emphasized plenty; maybe more than he should be. Running game might be a deserved complaint but I’m also not sad that we’re among the leaders in % of offense plays that are called passes. That’s where the league is moving and that’s where we should want to be IMO especially considering our emphasis on short easy completions. Allen’s just making too many mistakes still/the offensive isn’t very talented. 

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We need to run more and run with Singletary. I know we all like gore and he’s not even bad but Singletary is better. Singletary is going to be Josh Allen’s security blanket and we should start consistently using him. Gore needs to be our backup, he’s got stuff in the tank for sure but I think we have a better option. Someone else said it already but on a windy day with effective blitzes and a defense that is struggling, running the ball is the only solution. We just kept giving them the ball back.

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1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not sure why we don’t run the ball more with our RB’s, but it’s hard to gameplan around an inaccurate, turnover prone QB, who can’t hit a deep ball.  

Cause or O coordinator would rather have his young QB run the ball.  In this game Gore had 9 carries, Allen 8.

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1 hour ago, wvbillsfan said:

We have an identity. We throw the ball short to intermediate. Sprinkle in the run so it doesn’t look like it’s a madden game with all passes. 
 

Im personally not a fan of our OC. But it’s clear we win or lose with Josh Allen. We aren’t trying to hide him at all. 

I agree. This is a passing offense. It's probably not ideal with such a young QB and motley team, but I think the hope is that it will mean faster development than a more conservative concept.

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