Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Was carpooling with another hockey Dad friend on the way to Montpelier today, and he was telling me how he was up at a comedy show on the mountain last weekend and some drunk idiot literally squoze his wife’s boob!! I guess they were on the way out to the car after the show and this dude (who was obnoxiously hammered all night I guess) just gave it a honk ? This made me think though. I think I would HAVE to fight that guy if it was my wife. Right?! Even if he was bigger than me, I’d have to at least make an effort. *****’s crazy... I’m 40 btw Discuss.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Use your words! Call the cops and get him arrested. I hope that’s what I’d do. Follow him if you have to, and if he’s driving he’ll get the DUI to boot. My wife went to a sorority girls weekend at Isle of Palms last weekend. One girl was out on the town, and her ex knew it. She (yes, she the ex) called the police to have the cops waiting for her at the house when she got home. Now she’s dealing with a DUI. Uber is your friend! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 26 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Was carpooling with another hockey Dad friend on the way to Montpelier today, and he was telling me how he was up at a comedy show on the mountain last weekend and some drunk idiot literally squoze his wife’s boob!! I guess they were on the way out to the car after the show and this dude (who was obnoxiously hammered all night I guess) just gave it a honk ? This made me think though. I think I would HAVE to fight that guy if it was my wife. Right?! Even if he was bigger than me, I’d have to at least make an effort. *****’s crazy... I’m 40 btw Discuss.... Had something quite similar happen at a summer party many years ago. The wife did not tell me until a couple weeks afterward. The guy was a businessman so of course he got dropped from our patronage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) There’s no age limit. The number of reasons I may punch somebody in the throat has dwindled significantly over the years but it still includes somebody physically assaulting my dog or doing something to my daughter. Nothing else really bothers me. I’d probably intervene if I ever saw blatant xenophobia/racism out in public to the magnitude of viral video levels but I’ll cross that bridge if that day ever comes. I’m not trying to lose my job over something that doesn’t involve me but I have no tolerance for that. I’ve had to drag my wife away from fights, though. She’s very protective of our daughter. We were at the park and there was this trash family there, vulgarly talking and gesturing loudly around the kids and not watching their children misbehave on the playground. We had made the decision to leave and go to a different park when one of their kids bulldozes into our daughter, seemingly on purpose. One of the adults yells over something vulgar about our (then five year old) daughter “watching where the eff she was going.” I knew my wife was already annoyed at this family but that was the last straw. I had to literally drag her to the car. I hope those people realize I probably saved their lives that day because my wife will not step when she loses control until you’re in the hospital. Edited October 26, 2019 by eanyills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Was carpooling with another hockey Dad friend on the way to Montpelier today, and he was telling me how he was up at a comedy show on the mountain last weekend and some drunk idiot literally squoze his wife’s boob!! I guess they were on the way out to the car after the show and this dude (who was obnoxiously hammered all night I guess) just gave it a honk ? This made me think though. I think I would HAVE to fight that guy if it was my wife. Right?! Even if he was bigger than me, I’d have to at least make an effort. *****’s crazy... I’m 40 btw Discuss.... For my 40th birthday, we had a big bash at the house. Everyone there were close friends and everyone knew each other to some extent. One of my buddies grabbed a girl's boob. It was his (then) wife's best friend. The girl's boyfriend did not see it happen, but found out about it shortly after it occurred. Her boyfriend is one of the easiest going, mellow guys I know. He didn't do anything. There were at least two other guys who wanted to kick the boob grabber's ass, but nothing came close to materializing. Apparently, the next morning, the girl's boyfriend had to be talked out of going to the boob grabber's house. He wanted to kick his ass. If it was my significant other who had her boob grabbed, I don't think I'd fight a guy. I know for a fact that I would have words and that my voice would be raised. But I don't think I'd actually fight (unless he threw the first punch). I don't think there's a maximum age, per se, for getting into a fight. I do think, however, that it should take A LOT for a 40 year old man to want to start one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) There are exceptions to every rule, but IMO fighting generally becomes both unwise and inappropriate somewhere in your 20s. Last time I got in a fight I was 25 and felt like I was getting too old for that *****. My brother's in his mid 30s, is in great shape, and is fully capable of handling himself in a fight. He recently had an opportunity to get in a bar fight when his gf went off on some 50 yr old drunk a-hole for sloppily hitting on her and her friends while married. Rather than join the drama and escalate the situation, my brother de-escalated and reminded her that this guy is inconsequential in her life and his marital situation is none of her concern. Instead of brawling, he ended up having a chuckle with the dude's friend about dude's lack of skills with women, and that was that. No one got hurt and no one went to jail. After the fact he learned that the drunk a-hole was Jay Gruden. Edited October 26, 2019 by Rob's House 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 50 minutes ago, Augie said: Use your words! Call the cops and get him arrested. I hope that’s what I’d do. Follow him if you have to, and if he’s driving he’ll get the DUI to boot. My wife went to a sorority girls weekend at Isle of Palms last weekend. One girl was out on the town, and her ex knew it. She (yes, she the ex) called the police to have the cops waiting for her at the house when she got home. Now she’s dealing with a DUI. Uber is your friend! Yeah....the answer to the question is 16. Now, if you have to kill someone that's a completely different story. But a fight is just for trash. But the OPs story reminded me of a time a few of us were standing in front of our building in NYC, including a married couple I worked with. This guy who worked in the building and was very friendly but somewhat mentally unsound walked up and gave her boob a full on squeeze. We all laughed out asses off for about a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 What great timing. The bride and I are out to her alma mater for the Pittsburgh Hurricanes game. She's a Pitt grad and I'm simply a Hurricanes fan. I've been wearing my gear since Friday and have had very little grief. I just hit 40 and have much less desire to resort to fisticuffs than I have in the past. With that being said I wouldn't be too concerned if it came down to it with the kids I see walking around campus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: squoze I'm sorry, I've been laughing ever since I saw this! Well done, J-H. Anyway, I'm 41 and these days strong and fit enough to beat someone to death, BUT I'm non-violent......I'd rather verbally beat them down in a battle of wits. Then give them iocane powder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Fistfighting is for kids and morons who don't have $$$ to lose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 At any age a fight is only justifiable if you genuinely feel there is a threat to life. Otherwise grow up and talk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: At any age a fight is only justifiable if you genuinely feel there is a threat to life. Otherwise grow up and talk. Say for instance someone called your wife a terrible derogatory word in your presence .Would you not be included to throw the fists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, RaoulDuke79 said: Say for instance someone called your wife a terrible derogatory word in your presence .Would you not be included to throw the fists? No. Of course not. I would explain to him how much he has embarrassed himself rather than anyone else. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Never too old. I’m 41 and wouldn’t really start one. Crazy drivers or random tryhard on the basketball courts could light that match though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. Of course not. I would explain to him how much he has embarrassed himself rather than anyone else. Hahaha. I'm sure he would take those words to heart and would be better for it. No wonder America won the revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Depends - - - how old is the other guy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Hahaha. I'm sure he would take those words to heart and would be better for it. No wonder America won the revolution. And what is gained by punching him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 I have thrown one punch in anger in my life, and I was in middle school. We’re playing basketball and a kid throws the ball at my head from 4 feet away. It was too close for me too duck, and also too close for him to get away. One shot to the nose and his white windbreaker was covered in a river of red. I’ll never forget it. And I still regret it, despite what he had done. We were friends and he just snapped. I just reacted. At a Bucs/Packers game in Tampa one time we had an issue. I am there with a bus full of people from the Rotary Club and a buddy from the bank (he ran the investment department and was very proud of his Mensa membership). My wife and young boys are also with us. Some sloppy drunk kid from Wisconsin is shirtless in late December and for some reason wearing a purple bra on his head as a hat (THAT should tell you something!) is sitting behind us and talking a bit too much with my wife. I ignore it, she ignores it, but by the 4th quarter my buddy has had enough. With about a minute left, my (former) buddy pins this kid to the bench by his throat and slides him up about 5 seats. All hell breaks loose and my Rotary Club geriatrics are scrambling for cover. On the way back to the bus he says “he was hitting on your wife, I’d have hoped you’d do the same for me!”. No, I would NOT have. You were drunk and took a harmless situation and added gas and a match. Years later I ran into his then ex-wife. He had been fired from the bank for punching a fellow employee in the face in the restroom at the office Christmas party. He was living with a girl half his age and had domestic violence charges pending against him. Mensa does not ensure you are not a complete idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And what is gained by punching him? Actions come with tangible consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Say for instance someone called your wife a terrible derogatory word in your presence .Would you not be included to throw the fists? Absolutely not. Nor would she expect me to. She’s sitting right next to me now and says she’d be embarrassed if I acted that stupidly. 1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Actions come with tangible consequences. Yes, he said words, and your consequences could be jail. Sounds like a bad trade-off, even if you are violently inclined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, RaoulDuke79 said: Actions come with tangible consequences. You see enough fights, you start realizing there's no outcome worth the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: You see enough fights, you start realizing there's no outcome worth the hassle. Even if you win, you lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Absolutely not. Nor would she expect me to. She’s sitting right next to me now and says she’d be embarrassed if I acted that stupidly. Yes, he said words, and your consequences could be jail. Sounds like a bad trade-off, even if you are violently inclined. With age comes wisdom I suppose. Good for you guys. I suppose we can walk our own paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 I haven't been in an actual fist throwing fight since high school (and even that was only once) but if you are getting into fights at all much past 25 chances are you're either an arsehole or someone who can't handle their booze. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You see enough fights, you start realizing there's no outcome worth the hassle. I guess.....the meek shall inherit the earth as they say. 4 minutes ago, Augie said: Even if you win, you lose. As the Eric Church song goes..... nobody wins in a fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: With age comes wisdom I suppose. Good for you guys. I suppose we can walk our own paths. It’s just not my style. Besides, you never know which nut job has a knife or a gun. I’m not even going berserk in Atlanta traffic. There be CRAZY out there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Even if you win, you lose. Three examples come to mind- friend of mine got into a fight outside a Hard Rock Cafe. Punched the guy in his face, slipped on the sidewalk, fell backwards and hit his head on the curb. Suffered a brain hemorrhage and fell into a coma for 2 weeks. This guy was a trained MMA type guy, very comfortable in a fight. Second buddy in college, big strong dude, hit a fellow at a bar in the mouth. Knocked him out cold and ended up with a piece of the guy's tooth buried in his knuckles. Got infected, had to have multiple surgeries, and ended up with a choice between paying off the hospital bill or the civil suit the other guy filed. Third wasn't a friend, but a friend of a friend...drunk at a party and got into an altercation with another guy over something not-very-important. Bad guy got into his face, good guy threw a punch, bad guy pulled out a pistol and ended up shooting someone standing next to them in the leg. Fistfights just don't end like you see in the movies or whatever, in my experience. Always way more trouble and mess than they're worth. 6 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I guess.....the meek shall inherit the earth as they say. Easy to be a tough guy until you're on the hook for $150k worth of medical bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s just not my style. Besides, you never know which nut job has a knife or a gun. I’m not even going berserk in Atlanta traffic. There be CRAZY out there! It is a mess out there for sure and you have to choose your battles, but I can't see a scenario where I'm gonna sit idly by if someone intentionally disrespects my kids or wife. I'm certainly not coming out swinging at the drop of a hat., but I'm not gonna brush it off either.....these are all hypothetical scenarios, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Three examples come to mind- friend of mine got into a fight outside a Hard Rock Cafe. Punched the guy in his face, slipped on the sidewalk, fell backwards and hit his head on the curb. Suffered a brain hemorrhage and fell into a coma for 2 weeks. This guy was a trained MMA type guy, very comfortable in a fight. Second buddy in college, big strong dude, hit a fellow at a bar in the mouth. Knocked him out cold and ended up with a piece of the guy's tooth buried in his knuckles. Got infected, had to have multiple surgeries, and ended up with a choice between paying off the hospital bill or the civil suit the other guy filed. Third wasn't a friend, but a friend of a friend...drunk at a party and got into an altercation with another guy over something not-very-important. Bad guy got into his face, good guy threw a punch, bad guy pulled out a pistol and ended up shooting someone standing next to them in the leg. Fistfights just don't end like you see in the movies or whatever, in my experience. Always way more trouble and mess than they're worth. It has been my policy since early in high school to just leave situations where this kind of behavior was likely to exist. Don’t get me wrong, I was always out, and often doing things I shouldn’t have been doing, but was always alert enough to see when trouble was brewing and find a new environment pronto. Oh, and words are NEVER justification to get physical. They’re just words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augie said: It has been my policy since early in high school to just leave situations where this kind of behavior was likely to exist. Don’t get me wrong, I was always out, and often doing things I shouldn’t have been doing, but was always alert enough to see when trouble was brewing and find a new environment pronto. Oh, and words are NEVER justification to get physical. They’re just words. Self defense is legitimate, but outside that I'm not getting involved...I mean I work with my hands, I ain't breaking my tools on some idiot's face to risk my livelihood. Bad expenditure of time and energy. And often way too expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: It has been my policy since early in high school to just leave situations where this kind of behavior was likely to exist. Don’t get me wrong, I was always out, and often doing things I shouldn’t have been doing, but was always alert enough to see when trouble was brewing and find a new environment pronto. Oh, and words are NEVER justification to get physical. They’re just words. Indeed.....now you just sue and and arrest people for them. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.courant.com/opinion/editorials/hc-ed-uconn-racism-moment-to-teach-1024-20191024-cwqje3v4wzg2pkk3rm66dzzf3i-story.html%3foutputType=amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It is a mess out there for sure and you have to choose your battles, but I can't see a scenario where I'm gonna sit idly by if someone intentionally disrespects my kids or wife. I'm certainly not coming out swinging at the drop of a hat., but I'm not gonna brush it off either.....these are all hypothetical scenarios, so who knows. I walk away from words. That is their problem. They need to grow up. Words are....just words. If I ever have to physically protect, I’ll call the cops and then do my best. But the best plan is to see it coming, and go somewhere else. Agreed, who knows what we might be presented with in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 Good responses. The boob squeezer guy was in his 30’s-40’s according to the story. I’m not a tough guy by any means, but I have enough experience that I can handle myself if the fists start flying. I would never initiate a physical altercation with anyone. Probably one of the most mellow guys you’d ever meet. I guess the question is about defending the honor of your wife...the mother of your children. I remember a few years before my grandfather passed he was pissed because he had to wear a cast on his right arm for a couple months. I remember him saying to my father “What if I take Francie (my grandmother) out to dinner and some guy gets fresh with her?” He was sincerely afraid that he wouldn’t be able to stand up for her even though he was in his late 70’s. I’m pretty sure I would have to punch a man who essentially sexually assaulted my wife right in front of me. I don’t think there is any other option. Same thing if some man groped my daughter. Non-negotiable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 It's been interesting ...but I'm done debating about fighting. 6am wakeup call to drive back home to get to my kids soccer game after a delightful Hurricanes win. Cheers fellas. Go Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 My dad will kick your dad's ass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Good responses. The boob squeezer guy was in his 30’s-40’s according to the story. I’m not a tough guy by any means, but I have enough experience that I can handle myself if the fists start flying. I would never initiate a physical altercation with anyone. Probably one of the most mellow guys you’d ever meet. I guess the question is about defending the honor of your wife...the mother of your children. I remember a few years before my grandfather passed he was pissed because he had to wear a cast on his right arm for a couple months. I remember him saying to my father “What if I take Francie (my grandmother) out to dinner and some guy gets fresh with her?” He was sincerely afraid that he wouldn’t be able to stand up for her even though he was in his late 70’s. I’m pretty sure I would have to punch a man who essentially sexually assaulted my wife right in front of me. I don’t think there is any other option. Same thing if some man groped my daughter. Non-negotiable. If I’m right on the spot I think I’d shove but not punch. I’d also call the police. I never had a daughter, but I’d learn a lot about what it takes to be labeled a sex offender, or whatever other recourse might be available. But I hope I’d try to do it within the law. My wife beside me agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Was carpooling with another hockey Dad friend on the way to Montpelier today, and he was telling me how he was up at a comedy show on the mountain last weekend and some drunk idiot literally squoze his wife’s boob!! I guess they were on the way out to the car after the show and this dude (who was obnoxiously hammered all night I guess) just gave it a honk ? This made me think though. I think I would HAVE to fight that guy if it was my wife. Right?! Even if he was bigger than me, I’d have to at least make an effort. *****’s crazy... I’m 40 btw Discuss.... Depends on the provocation, but in the situation you describe, I would have torn the guy apart. "Getting in to a fight" and "protecting my wife" are not the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Just thought of a situation I witnessed a long time ago. I went to a Syracuse vs Auburn football game at the Carrier Dome. Auburn had a huge following, and I think they were coming into the game ranked in the top 10. Anyway, Syracuse upset them and beat them handily. We were walking out after the game, and this Auburn fan (young, huge dude) ran by us screaming “F Syracuse!!” “I can’t wait to get out of this scumbag city with all these low life people!!” Something to that effect. This older couple (40’s) was walking in front of us, and the wife yelled to the guy “go home!” This dude, who must have been 6’4” 235, stopped in his tracks, walked up to the couple, and booted the woman right in her lady parts. She dropped like a ton of bricks screaming and crying, the husband just stood there in shock, and the Auburn fan scampered away. I will never forget that. Edited October 27, 2019 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Just thought of a situation I witnessed a long time ago. I went to a Syracuse vs Auburn football game at the Carrier Dome. Auburn had a huge following, and I think they were coming into the game ranked in the top 10. Anyway, Syracuse upset them and beat them handily. We were walking out after the game, and this Auburn fan (young, huge dude) ran by us screaming “F Syracuse!!” “I can’t wait to get out of this scumbag city with all these low life people!!” Something to that effect. This older couple (40’s) was walking in front of us, and the wife yelled to the guy “go home!” This dude, who must have been 6’4” 235, stopped in his tracks, walked up to the couple, and booted the woman right in her lady parts. She dropped like a ton of bricks screaming and crying, the husband just stood there in shock, and the Auburn fan scampered away. I will never forget that. In THAT case, I’m doing my best and hanging on for dear life until the cops get ahold of him. Probably before cell phones, so it might take some extra effort. I’d like to think I’d get some help. That kind of dirtbaggery would stick with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No. Of course not. I would explain to him how much he has embarrassed himself rather than anyone else. Only works when the obvious favourite in a fight takes the high road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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