Is Star Lotulelei A Liability on the DL?

[GoBills808]

Of equal concern imo is none of Johnson/Murphy/Hughes seems very interested in playing run 

[goldenboy81]

Lawson Murphy and Hughes are useless.. star is the biggest waste of money of them all. Oliver gets a pass this yr...

 

Every week the team the bills play,have the pass rush I wish they had haha

[atlbillsfan1975]

Ok, Star stinks. On that touchdown run in the second half he was laying on the ground 2 yards back from the LOS. 

If McDermott learns how to be more results oriented when it comes to players, he will be a great coach. Star is collecting a check. I don’t care how often he trains and is around the facility. Star isn’t an effort guy on game day.

[Xwnyer]

Is he still on the team? is he playing

[Elite Poster]

Besides being a bald family man, something McDermott has a hard on for, Tent Murphy is useless.

 

Dull Star Lotulelei? Invisible and when you actually watch him, on skates. 

 

Hughes? Always 1 second too late but at least he is giving it his all every snap. 

 

The sad part is our best DL right now are back ups. 

 

Ed Oliver has talent but isn't making an impact, this is why you trade first round picks if the right guy is available. Our window will begin to close. This D will not last forever and will Allen start winning games for us?

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Ok, Star stinks. On that touchdown run in the second half he was laying on the ground 2 yards back from the LOS. 

If McDermott learns how to be more results oriented when it comes to players, he will be a great coach. Star is collecting a check. I don’t care how often he trains and is around the facility. Star isn’t an effort guy on game day.

They had 3 rushing tds in the 2nd half, mind if I ask which one was this?

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, Dopey said:

They had 3 rushing tds in the 2nd half, mind if I ask which one was this?

Probably all of them. But the one from the three yard line. I don’t really want to go back and look it up. 

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Probably all of them. But the one from the three yard line. I don’t really want to go back and look it up. 

The 1st td run of the 2nd half, Hyde and Milano both got blocked by ONE guy and that's what the rb took advantage of. The 2nd one from the 4 yd line was Peko and Phillips(Phillips got manhandled) and the 10 yd run to the 4 just that lead to that td was with Peko and Oliver in there. On the last scoring drive for Philly, Howard had a 20 yd run from our 41 to our 21 with Peko and Oliver in there. The subsequent td was run to Star's side and he was pushed 2 yds off the line. He actually didn't play bad, especially in the 1st half. The sack by Lawson in the 1st half was all Star. This is not meant to argue, but he was probably the best interior lineman today and wasn't as bad as made out to be by buscaglia vs. the dolphins. Peko is horrible, Phillips was trucked a few times and doesn't even play the same position as Star. Oliver is undersized and better used when we have a lead and need qb pressure. Star is the least of our problems on the dline.We do miss Harrison. Just my take.

[GG]

53 minutes ago, Dopey said:

The 1st td run of the 2nd half, Hyde and Milano both got blocked by ONE guy and that's what the rb took advantage of. The 2nd one from the 4 yd line was Peko and Phillips(Phillips got manhandled) and the 10 yd run to the 4 just that lead to that td was with Peko and Oliver in there. On the last scoring drive for Philly, Howard had a 20 yd run from our 41 to our 21 with Peko and Oliver in there. The subsequent td was run to Star's side and he was pushed 2 yds off the line. He actually didn't play bad, especially in the 1st half. The sack by Lawson in the 1st half was all Star. This is not meant to argue, but he was probably the best interior lineman today and wasn't as bad as made out to be by buscaglia vs. the dolphins. Peko is horrible, Phillips was trucked a few times and doesn't even play the same position as Star. Oliver is undersized and better used when we have a lead and need qb pressure. Star is the least of our problems on the dline.We do miss Harrison. Just my take.

There's a 6 minute video above that shows the DL on running plays vs Miami.  It ain't pretty.   

 

If Peko sucks so much and Star is the least of our problems, why are Peko's snaps going up and Star's going down?

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Yes

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Matthew Fairburn article after the Eagles loss (athletic, paywall):

https://theathletic.com/1328600/2019/10/27/this-is-probably-the-loss-that-feels-the-worst-where-do-the-bills-stand-after-getting-pounded-by-the-eagles/?redirected=1

 

“I’m concerned any time a team can run the ball like that on our football team,” Sean McDermott said after the game. “That’s concerning.”

 

That concern didn’t reach Lotulelei in the locker room. The defensive tackle, who is in the second year of a five-year, $50 million contract, said he wasn’t frustrated by the way the Eagles ran the ball. When asked to clarify that he, the man paid handsomely to stop the run, was not frustrated by the Eagles trampling his team, Lotulelei seemed offended.

“No,” he said.

 

[Bangarang]

He sucked when we signed him and he still sucks today. The guy is absolutely invisible on the field.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-defensive-tackle

 

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/01/bills-lorenzo-alexander-says-star-lotulelei-earned-every-bit-of-big-contract.html

 

 

"But Buffalo linebacker Lorenzo Alexander, who called Lotulelei “disruptive,” said that the former Panthers tackle was well worth it and is going to be a staple on the team for years to come. “Obviously he (doesn’t play) a sexy position, but he allows other people around him to make plays,” Alexander said. “I’ve definitely been able to have a pretty good year this year. A lot of it is contributed to what he’s been able to do as far as keeping guys off me, allowing me to run free. “In the pass rush, people can’t step up. On first or second down I know a couple of guys that have gotten sacks throughout the year just because Star has gotten that great push. He’s earned every bit of what he’s got with that five-year deal.”

It’s hard to argue with the results that the Bills defense had this season, finishing the year ranked second in the NFL in total defense and No. 1 in pass defense.

Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier raved about Lotulelei’s first 16 games in Buffalo and explained that his unselfishness allows others to thrive and young players, like linebackers Tremaine Edmunds and Matt Milano, to develop. “He demands a double team which allows our linebackers to run free and make some of the tackles that people might think the nose tackle should be making,” Frazier said. “That has been a plus for us, helping our linebackers to improve. But also to help our run defense. He’s done a good job of commanding attention from their interior, their center and their guards. It’s hard to block him one-one-one and that’s what we needed and he’s given us that.”

 

 

Alexander said he shows others how to succeed because of the example he sets. “He’s a great leader. He doesn’t say a lot but the way he works and the way he goes about his business and the way he relates to guys in this locker room goes a long way,” Alexander said.

 

I know what Star's roll is on the team, he is supposed to be the Casey Hampton of our DL, I get that, eat up blocks so the more talented players can get to the QB. My question is that I'd actually want to know if he's doing his job since there is no way of really telling this stat. Again we just got gashed for over 200 yards on the ground against a solid Eagles team, how does this happen if Star is doing his job correctly? We also don't get many sacks and I was watching Star like a hawk in this Eagles matchup, he was getting pushed around on many plays where he actually went backwards.

[QCity]

Star was a train-wreck against the Eagles. The loss of Harrison Phillips is really starting to show. I would expect Beane to bring in another 1-tech before Tuesday's trade deadline.

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Dopey said:

The 1st td run of the 2nd half, Hyde and Milano both got blocked by ONE guy and that's what the rb took advantage of. The 2nd one from the 4 yd line was Peko and Phillips(Phillips got manhandled) and the 10 yd run to the 4 just that lead to that td was with Peko and Oliver in there. On the last scoring drive for Philly, Howard had a 20 yd run from our 41 to our 21 with Peko and Oliver in there. The subsequent td was run to Star's side and he was pushed 2 yds off the line. He actually didn't play bad, especially in the 1st half. The sack by Lawson in the 1st half was all Star. This is not meant to argue, but he was probably the best interior lineman today and wasn't as bad as made out to be by buscaglia vs. the dolphins. Peko is horrible, Phillips was trucked a few times and doesn't even play the same position as Star. Oliver is undersized and better used when we have a lead and need qb pressure. Star is the least of our problems on the dline.We do miss Harrison. Just my take.

 

He was also moved completely out of the play on the long TD run. 

 

He isn't our only problem. Peko is utter garbage and our middle linbacker couldn't the right hole if it was flashing and sounding an alarm... but Star is also nowhere near the least of our problems. He is an average run stuffer and a below average everything else. 

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Ok, Star stinks. On that touchdown run in the second half he was laying on the ground 2 yards back from the LOS. 

If McDermott learns how to be more results oriented when it comes to players, he will be a great coach. Star is collecting a check. I don’t care how often he trains and is around the facility. Star isn’t an effort guy on game day.

 

 

He's wrapped around the leg of the ball carrier. You can complain that he didn't do his job well enough.

 

But that he's not an effort guy is flat-out nonsense.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

Star was a train-wreck against the Eagles. The loss of Harrison Phillips is really starting to show. I would expect Beane to bring in another 1-tech before Tuesday's trade deadline.

 

 

Train wreck? Please. That is a wild exaggeration, typical for the folks on your side of the argument. He had some really good plays. And at least a few bad ones too that I saw

 

 

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was also moved completely out of the play on the long TD run. 

 

He isn't our only problem. Peko is utter garbage and our middle linbacker couldn't the right hole if it was flashing and sounding an alarm... but Star is also nowhere near the least of our problems. He is an average run stuffer and a below average everything else. 

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He was out of the play there, but he was moving towards where the RB headed when he got the ball. Looked to me like he was in the right gap and covering it.

 

But I'd like to have seen him turn his momentum around when he saw the RB cut back. He should've been able to at least squeeze the hole there, and he didn't.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

I know what Star's roll is on the team, he is supposed to be the Casey Hampton of our DL, I get that, eat up blocks so the more talented players can get to the QB. My question is that I'd actually want to know if he's doing his job since there is no way of really telling this stat. Again we just got gashed for over 200 yards on the ground against a solid Eagles team, how does this happen if Star is doing his job correctly? We also don't get many sacks and I was watching Star like a hawk in this Eagles matchup, he was getting pushed around on many plays where he actually went backwards.

 

 

Looked to me like a bad game. Casey Hampton had them too. Everyone does. Just checked a couple of years on Hampton and saw a few games when the Steelers got gashed on the ground despite Hampton playing. In the 2007 Jax game, they allowed 227 yards on the ground, for instance.

 

And you can see that Alexander and Frazier are very clear on how very well he did his job last year.

 

I'm not clear on how he's doing over the whole year this year. Has he regressed? It's not clear to me yet how well he's done over the whole year. Joe B. looks at all the tape and says he's not doing as well. And again, is he injured? Regressing? Attempting to do too much? It's not clear yet.

 

As for how it could happen if Star is playing well, well, it could easily happen if the other players in the front seven are getting beat. Or it could happen when Peko is playing and Star is on the bench. You can't blame all defensive problems against the run on Star. Only the ones he's to blame for. Again, I'm not clear, and I've made my unclarity pretty clear. Maybe it's time for you to either believe Joe's opinion or go back and start watching film like a maniac.

 

 

One thing for sure is that as happens after bad losses, the default for fans will be wild overreaction. Same as after good wins most overreact to that as well.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[atlbillsfan1975]

39 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He's wrapped around the leg of the ball carrier. You can complain that he didn't do his job well enough.

 

But that he's not an effort guy is flat-out nonsense.

You have a different perception of the play. I’m fine with it. Star just isn’t living up to his contract. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

You have a different perception of the play. I’m fine with it. Star just isn’t living up to his contract. 

 

 

Well, that's certainly one opinion. But he lived up to it just fine last year.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, that's certainly one opinion. But he lived up to it just fine last year.

Depends on if you are including the ‘veteran process’ money that guys like him, DiMarco, And Lee Smith get. Vets who aren’t worth their dollars on play alone, but what the coach views as valuable in the locker room. 

[Thurman#1]

32 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Depends on if you are including the ‘veteran process’ money that guys like him, DiMarco, And Lee Smith get. Vets who aren’t worth their dollars on play alone, but what the coach views as valuable in the locker room. 

 

 

 

Man, is your desperation to find things to criticize coming out. Your perceptions are skewed, which is why you took a play where Lotulelei ended up wrapped around the RB's leg and somehow found that proved that he wasn't an effort guy, nonsense on the face of it.

 

And as for Lee Smith's contract, it's the 26th highest TE average salary. For a guy who's an excellent blocker, and an acceptable though not especially athletic receiver. That's how contracts work. As the cap goes up, salaries do too. And to pay a guy $9 mill for three years when his last two contracts with Oakland were for $9.35 mill for three years and for $2.25 mill for one year and most recently a three year $9 mill deal almost exactly what Buffalo gave him ... that is only a team paying a guy a very reasonable value.

 

Ridiculous. You're desperate.

 

Star did what they needed him to do last year, and Joe B. - the guy saying he isn't playing as well this year - made that clear.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[GG]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

Star did what they needed him to do last year, and Joe B. - the guy saying he isn't playing as well this year - made that clear.

 

Which is a serious problem when you sign a guy for 5 years and he only gives a 1-yr effort.  More and more he's getting single teamed and still loses leverage and position.  And yes, I expect a DT to tackle the RB if he has wrapped up his legs.  I've seen a handful of tackle whiffs by the 2nd highest paid defender.

[Thurman#1]

41 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Which is a serious problem when you sign a guy for 5 years and he only gives a 1-yr effort.  More and more he's getting single teamed and still loses leverage and position.  And yes, I expect a DT to tackle the RB if he has wrapped up his legs.  I've seen a handful of tackle whiffs by the 2nd highest paid defender.

 

 

Again, ridiculous. He's working as hard as he can.

 

And while he had some bad plays yesterday he also had quite a few very good ones.

 

You expect a DT to tackle the RB if he has wrapped up his legs? Yeah, um, did you watch the play? He did tackle him. I wish he'd made a better play but he clearly gave it everything he had.

 

Accepting that he's not playing as well this season - I'm not certain of it, but it certainly seems possible - it's not clear why. Does he have an injury he's playing through for the sake of the team? Dunno. Maybe. Maybe not. If he does, is it temporary or permanent? Dunno, and nobody does. Has his body broken down and will he never be the same at age 29? We don't know.

 

There's no reason to think that he's not trying as hard as he possibly can, beyond the scapegoating and wild overreacting that constantly goes on among football fans.

[Dopey]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Matthew Fairburn article after the Eagles loss (athletic, paywall):

https://theathletic.com/1328600/2019/10/27/this-is-probably-the-loss-that-feels-the-worst-where-do-the-bills-stand-after-getting-pounded-by-the-eagles/?redirected=1

 

“I’m concerned any time a team can run the ball like that on our football team,” Sean McDermott said after the game. “That’s concerning.”

 

That concern didn’t reach Lotulelei in the locker room. The defensive tackle, who is in the second year of a five-year, $50 million contract, said he wasn’t frustrated by the way the Eagles ran the ball. When asked to clarify that he, the man paid handsomely to stop the run, was not frustrated by the Eagles trampling his team, Lotulelei seemed offended.

“No,” he said.

 

He's a good locker guy who doesn't want to publicly blame anyone. Especially the LBs and safeties who were terrible yesterday. He's smart enough not to play the media's game. Good for him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Dopey said:

He's a good locker guy who doesn't want to publicly blame anyone. Especially the LBs and safeties who were terrible yesterday. He's smart enough not to play the media's game. Good for him.

 

C'mon Dopey. 

 

A guy can express frustration "it was a frustrating game all around" or "we had them 3rd and long, we just didn't finish, we've got to look at the tape and get to it" without throwing his teammates under the bus.  As for "smart enough not to play the media's game", if he doesn't know that saying "no" he wasn't frustrated by a big defensive flaw that contributed to our loss, is in fact directly playing into the media's game, he's not that media-smart.

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Man, is your desperation to find things to criticize coming out. Your perceptions are skewed, which is why you took a play where Lotulelei ended up wrapped around the RB's leg and somehow found that proved that he wasn't an effort guy, nonsense on the face of it.

 

And as for Lee Smith's contract, it's the 26th highest TE average salary. For a guy who's an excellent blocker, and an acceptable though not especially athletic receiver. That's how contracts work. As the cap goes up, salaries do too. And to pay a guy $9 mill for three years when his last two contracts with Oakland were for $9.35 mill for three years and for $2.25 mill for one year and most recently a three year $9 mill deal almost exactly what Buffalo gave him ... that is only a team paying a guy a very reasonable value.

 

Ridiculous. You're desperate.

 

Star did what they needed him to do last year, and Joe B. - the guy saying he isn't playing as well this year - made that clear.

 I think the front office should be looking for run stoppers. This team is in desperate need of them. Star takes plays off. McDermott has them on a pretty good rotation, yet Star still seems to be gassed or he is out of shape or he just can’t play the position. Take your pick. Everything is fine on the interior of the d line. 

Lee Smith doesn’t deserve to be on the team. Give me a rookie with upside like Sweeney making dumb penalties over a Vet making them. Smith is good for a penalty a game and it usually comes at the worst time. I am hoping that at some point McDermott will have some leadership that he has cultivated that has talent as well. 

[Thurman#1]

21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No he didn't.... but you also once said Marcus Murphy was a good offensive pick up for us so your take on Star isn't surprising. 

 

 

Yeah, he did. He did what they brought him in to do ... which is what he did in Carolina. He plugged up the run. Did a very good job last year.

 

And as so often is true, people without a good point have to misquote to try to make a point. What I said about Murphy wasn't that he was wildly productive or that he'd be around for years, but that he was not a bad value at all.  A vet minimum pickup who averaged well over 4.9 yards per carry for us. Anyone who thinks he wasn't a pretty good pickup at what we paid is just nuts.

 

 

7 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

 I think the front office should be looking for run stoppers. This team is in desperate need of them. Star takes plays off. McDermott has them on a pretty good rotation, yet Star still seems to be gassed or he is out of shape or he just can’t play the position. Take your pick. Everything is fine on the interior of the d line. 

Lee Smith doesn’t deserve to be on the team. Give me a rookie with upside like Sweeney making dumb penalties over a Vet making them. Smith is good for a penalty a game and it usually comes at the worst time. I am hoping that at some point McDermott will have some leadership that he has cultivated that has talent as well. 

 

 

Oh, he takes plays off? Wow, thanks for all the terrific evidence there.

 

I see who you are now.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Ohh ok. You are right then. They paid him nothing(by NFL standards) and he basically did nothing. Good value.??

 

 

Yeah, Scott. Vet min for 4.9 yards per carry. If you think that's nothing, that shows far more about you than it does about Murphy.

 

And yes, something for nothing is indeed pretty much the definition of good value. Do you really not get that?

Edited October 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[GG]

23 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Again, ridiculous. He's working as hard as he can.

 

And while he had some bad plays yesterday he also had quite a few very good ones.

 

You expect a DT to tackle the RB if he has wrapped up his legs? Yeah, um, did you watch the play? He did tackle him. I wish he'd made a better play but he clearly gave it everything he had.

 

Accepting that he's not playing as well this season - I'm not certain of it, but it certainly seems possible - it's not clear why. Does he have an injury he's playing through for the sake of the team? Dunno. Maybe. Maybe not. If he does, is it temporary or permanent? Dunno, and nobody does. Has his body broken down and will he never be the same at age 29? We don't know.

 

There's no reason to think that he's not trying as hard as he possibly can, beyond the scapegoating and wild overreacting that constantly goes on among football fans.

 

Do you watch the plays or just go by memory?  As soon as the runner is past Star, he's done.  There is zero effort to play to the whistle.  At least you see Peko hustling to the ball carrier even after he's manhandled.  Star gets off the snap, tries to engage the blockers, then completely stops and watches the rest of the play.  

 

It shouldn't even be an argument because the tape proves it. 

 

I freely admit that I was wrong about criticizing Harry's performance.  Since he went down, the Bills defense is clearly exposed and Star is the biggest reason for it, because his weak play is fully exposing Edmunds' liability as the run defender.

 

Call it the perfect storm, but McD needs to fix the weakness up the middle ASAP

[Thurman#1]

9 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Do you watch the plays or just go by memory?  As soon as the runner is past Star, he's done.  There is zero effort to play to the whistle.  At least you see Peko hustling to the ball carrier even after he's manhandled.  Star gets off the snap, tries to engage the blockers, then completely stops and watches the rest of the play.  

 

It shouldn't even be an argument because the tape proves it. 

 

I freely admit that I was wrong about criticizing Harry's performance.  Since he went down, the Bills defense is clearly exposed and Star is the biggest reason for it, because his weak play is fully exposing Edmunds' liability as the run defender.

 

Call it the perfect storm, but McD needs to fix the weakness up the middle ASAP

 

 

Yup, more opinions with zero evidence. The Lotulelei haters' M.O.

 

The guy who criticized Lotulelei for not getting the "tackle [on] the RB if he has wrapped up his legs," when he in fact did get the tackle ... that guy accusing others of not watching the plays? Yeah, great point.

 

And by the way, when a runner is past a space eater, the space eater is done? Yeah, shocking observation, especially when you notice all the other expensive way over 350 pounders like Dontari Poe and Grady Jarrett and Linval Joseph chasing down so many RBs from behind. Good lord!

Edited October 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yup, more opinions with zero evidence. The Lotulelei haters' M.O.

 

And by the way, when a runner is past a space eater, the space eater is done? Yeah, shocking observation, especially when you notice all the other expensive way over 350 pounders like Dontari Poe and Grady Jarrett and Linval Joseph chasing down so many RBs from behind. Good lord!

so care to explain this Stud in the middle getting put on skates?

[GG]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yup, more opinions with zero evidence. The Lotulelei haters' M.O.

 

And by the way, when a runner is past a space eater, the space eater is done? Yeah, shocking observation, especially when you notice all the other expensive way over 350 pounders like Dontari Poe and Grady Jarrett and Linval Joseph chasing down so many RBs from behind. Good lord!

 

What are you talking about?  There is ample evidence of his poor play ON FRIGGIN FILM!!!  He's not even double teamed anymore.  He stops when he's run out of the play, while you see 94 and 97 still chasing the carrier down the field.  Yes, you see other big boys still hustling, especially when games are close. 

 

Star looks as checked out as can be.  He's walking back to the line while the play is still going!!!

[Thurman#1]

31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

so care to explain this Stud in the middle getting put on skates?

 

 

I'm totally sure when you wrote this it seemed to be clear and specific.

 

28 minutes ago, GG said:

 

What are you talking about?  There is ample evidence of his poor play ON FRIGGIN FILM!!!  He's not even double teamed anymore.  He stops when he's run out of the play, while you see 94 and 97 still chasing the carrier down the field.  Yes, you see other big boys still hustling, especially when games are close. 

 

Star looks as checked out as can be.  He's walking back to the line while the play is still going!!!

 

 

 

And yet more moaning about film and evidence without a single actual piece.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Thurman#1

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

I'm totally sure when you wrote this it seemed to be clear.

 

 

 

And yet more moaning about film and evidence without a single actual piece.

 

 

 

What evidence are you looking for?   Like something that was posted in this exact thread 2 days ago?

[Thurman#1]

13 minutes ago, GG said:

 

What evidence are you looking for?   Like something that was posted in this exact thread 2 days ago?

 

 

 

Yup, four posts in a row acting as if because it's your impression it must be fact, and not a single stitch of evidence.

 

The last and only specific you gave was wrong ... trumpeting that he should have made a tackle that he actually had made.

 

Kinda thought so. But I'll keep looking for all those other 300+ pound fireplugs chasing down all those RBs from behind.

[GG]

Just now, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Yup, four posts in a row acting as if because it's your impression it must be fact, and not a single stitch of evidence.

 

The last and only specific you gave was wrong ... trumpeting that he should have made a tackle that he actually had made.

 

Kinda thought so. But I'll keep looking for all those other 300+ pound fireplugs chasing down all those RBs from behind.

 

There is evidence.  In this thread!   I'm not doing your homework for you.

 

Keep storming that hill.

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Yup, four posts in a row acting as if because it's your impression it must be fact, and not a single stitch of evidence.

 

The last and only specific you gave was wrong ... trumpeting that he should have made a tackle that he actually had made.

 

Kinda thought so. But I'll keep looking for all those other 300+ pound fireplugs chasing down all those RBs from behind.

ON SKATES 1v1 cant even do his job to keep Edmunds clean

 

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by MAJBobby

[MAJBobby]

 

Star got 56% of the snaps on defense Sunday (41 total snaps, most the entire year in a game) and the Bills get gashed for 218 yards on the ground.  COINCIDENCE??  I think Not.

 

Now do the Redskins attack the Bills the same way to give MORE evidence of how bad Star is or will we have to wait until Chubb

Edited October 28, 2019 by MAJBobby

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

ON SKATES 1v1 cant even do his job to keep Edmunds clean

 

 

 

Star was far from the only person (and not even the main person) to blame in that play but it was his channel the ball was run through and they kept hitting that inside left zone channel from that point on. Eventually if you are the team's premier run stuffer you gotta take the view that it is your job to get in there make a play and cut off that route.