Hebert19 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: As terrible as Goff was last week, I struggle to call a guy who passed for 900 yards the previous 2 weeks bottom tier. Their defense has been a huge problem, Yards mean nothing. Watch the games. Hes bottom 15 for sure. He's Tannehill that's less mobile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: As terrible as Goff was last week, I struggle to call a guy who passed for 900 yards the previous 2 weeks bottom tier. Their defense has been a huge problem, He’s just not that good. McVay has been scheming to cover up his deficiencies but I think the book is out there now - I predict he’s hit his ceiling and he’ll soon go the Kirk Cousons route - occasional monster games but the norm will be flameouts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: this boards been saying it for several years but I recall watching them in the big game despite having a shaky qb and injured star rb. I’m not saying model after everything they do but maybe there’s some sense to it. things probably hit the fan when their qb contract catches up to them and he’s not great... but if he does step up they will be relatively fine. Maybe they should do what the Bills do. They've lost 3 straight and the Bills are 4-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Hebert19 said: Yards mean nothing. Watch the games. Hes bottom 15 for sure. He's Tannehill that's less mobile. Folks gotta stop with these hot takes. At Age 25, Goff has 2 seasons of more td passes than RT’s career high and is coming off a SB. He may never be Rodgers but to compare him to Tannehill is a Skip Bayless level take. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, QCity said: Yeah, Sammy the Decoy propelled them to the conference finals. Just stop. They got swindled in that deal and Snead looked like a clown, just as he does today making this panic trade. He just lost a ton of leverage in Ramsey's next negotiation, as trading 2 first-round picks for a short-term rental would almost certainly get him axed (barring a miracle SB win). I never even implied Sammy propelled them. I said they took a swing at a high upside guy and got compensation back at the end too. Was trading pick 63 for 97 (or whatever the exact numbers) terribly expensive? im not a huge Ramsey advocate specifically but the dramatics around here involving anyone making a move is a bit much. 1 minute ago, MJS said: Maybe they should do what the Bills do. They've lost 3 straight and the Bills are 4-1. I mean, comparing the defending nfc champions to the September afc wild card team is likewise a bit much. We are doing well and are entering the window they are exiting. seems beane is interested but hasn’t pulled the trigger yet. Hopefully he does make a few splashes soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He’s just not that good. McVay has been scheming to cover up his deficiencies but I think the book is out there now - I predict he’s hit his ceiling and he’ll soon go the Kirk Cousons route - occasional monster games but the norm will be flameouts. Do I think he’s great? No but to not give him any credit is not fair at all. McVay doesn’t ok his extension if he does believe in him. He was awesome in college. And if it was that simple, why don’t we get an OC like McVay so Allen can average more than 1 td/ game. I’d love to have a bottom tier qb who passed for 32 td. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Rams OL was a strength last year (until the SB) but has been pretty bad this year from what I’ve seen They lost their Center Sullivan and RG Roger Saffold this past off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Do you really have to wonder if they thought of it? Do you think they just up and forgot about the cap? Or at the end of the year do they give him a high signing bonus contract pushing the hit down the line with plans of Gurley coming off the books sooner rather than later and Goffs cap hit to drop while the cap continues to rise? I hope they thought about their cap situation and realize that they can't keep big contract on five guys. They're going to have to shed someone and as you mentioned, Gurley could be it. To me, it looks like they're cutting it close, however they decide to pay for Ramsey's long term deal. Kicking that can down the road means they won't have space to make another big deal, so the Rams are going to have to decide who their core guys are and stick to it; though I'd worry a little about Goff as a core guy. Everyone else will need to be a role player that can be traded or let walk as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Maybe they should do what the Bills do. They've lost 3 straight and the Bills are 4-1. Their schedule has been 5 times as hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Folks gotta stop with these hot takes. At Age 25, Goff has 2 seasons of more td passes than RT’s career high and is coming off a SB. He may never be Rodgers but to compare him to Tannehill is a Skip Bayless level take. Former GM Mike Lombardi: https://theathletic.com/1292872/2019/10/14/andy-reid-chiefs-pace-of-game-week-6-texans/ How the Rams gave Jared Goff that huge contract (four years, $134 million) I will never understand. The Rams knew that their head coach Sean McVay was hiding the faults of Goff with his offensive system, and now McVay can no longer keep opponents from attacking Goff in the right manner. The 49ers are for real, and as I wrote about on Friday, I consider them to be the best team in the NFC, but for them to hold the Rams’ offense with Cooper Kupp (remember, everyone said losing Kupp was the reason Goff struggled last year) to 56 yards passing is a colossal indictment of Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Folks gotta stop with these hot takes. At Age 25, Goff has 2 seasons of more td passes than RT’s career high and is coming off a SB. He may never be Rodgers but to compare him to Tannehill is a Skip Bayless level take. Tannehill never had woods Sammy cooks kupp etc and a great head coach that reads the D for you. This is more than hot take. Again. Watch the games. If I looked at just the stats page on espn I'd think Winston was a good QB too. He too is *****. Stats dont tell everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: We are doing well and are entering the window they are exiting. seems beane is interested but hasn’t pulled the trigger yet. Hopefully he does make a few splashes soon. I don't want splashes. I want smart football decisions that don't involve giving away our next two first round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Former GM Mike Lombardi: https://theathletic.com/1292872/2019/10/14/andy-reid-chiefs-pace-of-game-week-6-texans/ How the Rams gave Jared Goff that huge contract (four years, $134 million) I will never understand. The Rams knew that their head coach Sean McVay was hiding the faults of Goff with his offensive system, and now McVay can no longer keep opponents from attacking Goff in the right manner. The 49ers are for real, and as I wrote about on Friday, I consider them to be the best team in the NFC, but for them to hold the Rams’ offense with Cooper Kupp (remember, everyone said losing Kupp was the reason Goff struggled last year) to 56 yards passing is a colossal indictment of Goff. Lombardi is good at being a critic but he just has one of the worst drafts in nfl history. Like terrible for the Browns. but I guess we’ll agree to disagree. I think he is easily a top 15 qb and has clearly shown you can win a lot of games with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 lol Rams!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 i'd say there is about a 10% chance that Jax hits on either one of those draft picks turning into a pro bowl player at any position. i prefer the sure thing of a 24 year old all pro. especially at a position like CB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Hebert19 said: Tannehill never had woods Sammy cooks kupp etc and a great head coach that reads the D for you. This is more than hot take. Again. Watch the games. If I looked at just the stats page on espn I'd think Winston was a good QB too. He too is *****. Stats dont tell everything. I guess you missed where he just went to SB and led the a top 3 offense the last 3 years. But obviously, the QBs deserves no credit. i would do bad things for a Bills qb to put up numbers like terrible Goff. Really bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: I hope they thought about their cap situation and realize that they can't keep big contract on five guys. They're going to have to shed someone and as you mentioned, Gurley could be it. To me, it looks like they're cutting it close, however they decide to pay for Ramsey's long term deal. Kicking that can down the road means they won't have space to make another big deal, so the Rams are going to have to decide who their core guys are and stick to it; though I'd worry a little about Goff as a core guy. Everyone else will need to be a role player that can be traded or let walk as needed. get excited, it’s the new Nfl. Load up around your qb while getting a 30m a year discount on his contract and hope for a SB. At the end hope he’s the guy cause he’s going to count as 2 cornerstone contracts. If he’s more Russell Wilson, great, into the dynasty building with smart drafting. If he’s more Sanchez/kaepernick you at least enjoyed the ride before starting over. The one thing I wouldn’t want is a tannehill/mariotta style where you peak at a playoff contender. Edited October 16, 2019 by NoSaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't want splashes. I want smart football decisions that don't involve giving away our next two first round picks. I definitely won’t want a top 3 cb. I’d rather have Josh Dotcson, Treadwell, Darren Lee, Corey Coleman, Karl Joseph, etc. that’s from 3 years ago. I get it’s a huge package but Ramsey is a player you are praying to draft already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Yards mean nothing. Watch the games. Hes bottom 15 for sure. He's Tannehill that's less mobile. Agreed. Goff is highly overrated; prone to very bad decisions and cannot process a defense unless that is given to him from McVay. I've heard the term "manufactured" to describe Jared Goff, sounds about right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't want splashes. I want smart football decisions that don't involve giving away our next two first round picks. you might not believe it but sometimes the splash is the smart football choice too, as scary as that might seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I definitely won’t want a top 3 cb. I’d rather have Josh Dotcson, Treadwell, Darren Lee, Corey Coleman, Karl Joseph, etc. that’s from 3 years ago. I get it’s a huge package but Ramsey is a player you are praying to draft already. Sorry, but this was a dumb trade. Rams got fleeced. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: They lost their Center Sullivan and RG Roger Saffold this past off season. And Nick Bosa took Whitworth’s lunch money on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, papazoid said: i'd say there is about a 10% chance that Jax hits on either one of those draft picks turning into a pro bowl player at any position. i prefer the sure thing of a 24 year old all pro. especially at a position like CB I think at least a portion if the stress about trading picks here is being so accustomed to drafting at the top, not the bottom of the round too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: you might not believe it but sometimes the splash is the smart football choice too, as scary as that might seem. Fans are always calling for the splash moves. And they'll continue to. But 90% of the time it isn't worth it. Sometimes, rarely, it is. Build your team through the draft, resign your home grown talent, and make limited moves (not splashy ones) to fill out your roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Ramsey makes Donald better. No, another Suh makes Donald better. That D-line was a monster last year, not so much this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: No, another Suh makes Donald better. That D-line was a monster last year, not so much this year. Suh sucked last year until the playoffs. Donald is going to start feasting again. Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: No DB is worth that. AMEN. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Forgot about Bortles and Fowler ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Don't think they will if they win the Super Bowl and he plays a big part. It's absolutely worth it for a championship. They look nothing like a championship team right now, and Ramsey isnt going to turn them into one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: They look nothing like a championship team right now, and Ramsey isnt going to turn them into one. They have the roster to win the NFC. They aren’t playing well and have a tougher division than last year but just need to make a run in the playoffs assuming they get there. If they don’t win the conference, it will be an awful look given all their moves not only in big money deals but trading high picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I'm just happy he was traded to the NFC. I wanted Buffalo to get splashy. Two 1s and 4th seems rich to me. Imo Peters wouldn't be a fit so that does affect me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Aireskoi said: Thanks? I didn't post to change your beliefs, so it's all good.? It is all good. Maybe I’m not sure what your point is. All I was saying was that there is not a lot of evidence to make what I think your point was. I didn’t think you were trying to change my beliefs.One thing for certain. I don’t anoint McVay as some guru or genius in the least as some posters seem too. He hasn’t done anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And Nick Bosa took Whitworth’s lunch money on Sunday That too. I'm not liking the Rams chances for making the playoffs. Looks like teams have figured them out on stopping that offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: That too. I'm not liking the Rams chances for making the playoffs. Looks like teams have figured them out on stopping that offense. I think teams that have blue chip personnel on D can do it. Browns had success too for the most part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 since the start of 2017, the former first-round pick has allowed a passer rating of just 56.2 on throws in which he was the closest defender in coverage. The only corner with a better rating over 400-plus coverage snaps is his former Jags teammate A.J. Bouye. Ramsey is first in average yards allowed per target and sixth in Coverage Success Rate over that time frame. He's capable of playing both on the outside and in the slot. The Rams are getting a superstar. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27854971/grading-jalen-ramsey-trade-jaguars-rams-won 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: They are going for it Yeah it certainly looks that way by dropping two in a row and being well behind Seattle and SF; both of whom beat the Rams already this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 So does Marrone survive to 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Time to replenish the Rams draft capital... Kupp for a 3rd and 5th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: It is all good. Maybe I’m not sure what your point is. All I was saying was that there is not a lot of evidence to make what I think your point was. I didn’t think you were trying to change my beliefs.One thing for certain. I don’t anoint McVay as some guru or genius in the least as some posters seem too. He hasn’t done anything yet. He’s 33, has a record of 27-11, and just went to the SB. I guess he could have won SBs both years. Some of you have insane expectations. 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Time to replenish the Rams draft capital... Kupp for a 3rd and 5th Probably should have just drafted him instead of trading up for Zay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Ok? Like I said, they have the talent and have been there before. It won't matter how much they gave up for him if they win a championship. I'll bet the Rams don't even make the playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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