Saint Doug Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 There’s a common thing amongst all these 1st round failures. The vast majority of these QBs were forced to start the year they were drafted. Apparently gone are the days where QBs are properly developed and mentored. These QBs pop their first year, then fizzle as they can’t reach the next level. Sure, some like Mahomes, if placed on a well-coached team, can do well. But, the reality these teams picked in the 1st round for a reason. Because they suck and are usually being coached by a first time HC. This is just the nature of the beast nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Hey Allen haters, here’s a thread that shows how most 1st round QBs in the last decade ended being busts! Take that you idiots! Yeah, I’m kinda confused of the point the OP was making. Kinda makes me feel worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dous21 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 this might be the dumbest thread I've ever seen on this forum you really thought you had something special with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: There’s a common thing amongst all these 1st round failures. The vast majority of these QBs were forced to start the year they were drafted. Apparently gone are the days where QBs are properly developed and mentored. These QBs pop their first year, then fizzle as they can’t reach the next level. Sure, some like Mahomes, if placed on a well-coached team, can do well. But, the reality these teams picked in the 1st round for a reason. Because they suck and are usually being coached by a first time HC. This is just the nature of the beast nowadays. The saying is more qbs are ruined than made. I know people hate him but Josh Rosen literally was given no chance to succeed. I have questions about the offensive talent around Allen but he has the huge benefit of having a great defense so he never really has to carry the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Where is the "history lesson"? Some 1st round QB's are good and some suck? Who would have guessed that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 hours ago, downunderbill said: I don't think many people think he's a finished product at all, far from it, but his career is 16 games old. The pessimists, or realists as you like to call your selves, are the same as the more optimistic members just at different ends of the spectrum. In the end it's just entertainment, the Bills are 4-1, and some choose to enjoy the game and the Bills. There isn't a poster that believes Josh is anywhere near a completed product. It's this kind of hyperbole that fires up folks. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Not sure how this list is supposed to help Allen. Saying there are a lot of busts and many that outplayed Allen thus far. Sounds more like this would help show he is more likely to bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The saying is more qbs are ruined than made. I know people hate him but Josh Rosen literally was given no chance to succeed. I have questions about the offensive talent around Allen but he has the huge benefit of having a great defense so he never really has to carry the team. I'm not sure the Bill's defense is the factor in Josh's performance as much as you think it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Sundancer said: Goff yes. Mahomes threw for 373 yards and 3 TDs yesterday...and threw his first INT--in 20 minutes time of possession. He's averaging 350 yards/game, with 14 TDs and 1 INT. Every team wishes their QB was falling apart like that. 273 yds. Two hundred seventy three yards, not 373, Three hundred seventy three. There is a significant difference. Also note the fumble. It matters. It may have been a difference in the game. If you consider (as some coaches have said) that a sack can be functionally equivalent to a TO, the 8 sacks and 2 fumbles must be considered. You still have a point that other teams "wish their QB was falling apart like that". Mahomes is a very very talented young QB, no question. I think he may be coming to depend a little bit too much upon his ability to stick the throw no matter what - double coverage, off balance, underhand, sidearm, doesn't matter. Until it goes a step too far and it does. But that's just my opinion and time will tell. I haven't personally watched Goff to have a feeling as to whether or not he's falling apart. He's still putting up good passing numbers, his problem seems to be putting up far more INTs than the last 2 years. Is Gurley a factor - not having Gurley to dump off to, or as much of a run game to take the pressure off of him? My feeling about Goff has always been that he's a QB that can win in the right system with the right pieces around him. Which, by the way, remains to be seen about Mahomes - I know some here contend so, but until we see what he does without Andy Reed, Hill and Kelce the verdict will be out. 24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The saying is more qbs are ruined than made. I know people hate him but Josh Rosen literally was given no chance to succeed. I have questions about the offensive talent around Allen but he has the huge benefit of having a great defense so he never really has to carry the team. I don't think that's how Allen felt last season, and I don't think that's how he felt after the blocked punt for TD against the Pats. I mean, a great D is fine, but unless we're counting on the other team's ST miscues or defensive TDs, sooner or later the O has to put some points on the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 273 yds. Two hundred seventy three yards, not 373, Three hundred seventy three. There is a significant difference. Also note the fumble. It matters. It may have been a difference in the game. If you consider (as some coaches have said) that a sack can be functionally equivalent to a TO, the 8 sacks and 2 fumbles must be considered. You still have a point that other teams "wish their QB was falling apart like that". Mahomes is a very very talented young QB, no question. I think he may be coming to depend a little bit too much upon his ability to stick the throw no matter what - double coverage, off balance, underhand, sidearm, doesn't matter. Until it goes a step too far and it does. But that's just my opinion and time will tell. I haven't personally watched Goff to have a feeling as to whether or not he's falling apart. He's still putting up good passing numbers, his problem seems to be putting up far more INTs than the last 2 years. Is Gurley a factor - not having Gurley to dump off to, or as much of a run game to take the pressure off of him? My feeling about Goff has always been that he's a QB that can win in the right system with the right pieces around him. Which, by the way, remains to be seen about Mahomes - I know some here contend so, but until we see what he does without Andy Reed, Hill and Kelce the verdict will be out. 273 yards would be Allen’s career high and it was against a good team in Houston. But it I guess he set the bar so high so expectations are out of wack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 273 yards would be Allen’s career high and it was against a good team in Houston. But it I guess he set the bar so high so expectations are out of wack. I think you also have to look at team concept... When you have what might be the best defense in the league you dont NEED to throw for 300 yards a game.JA DOES need to cut down on the turnovers but 250 yards, some TDs, a solid running game, is MORE then enough to win with a defense this good. As shown by the 4-1 record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I think you also have to look at team concept... When you have what might be the best defense in the league you dont NEED to throw for 300 yards a game.JA DOES need to cut down on the turnovers but 250 yards, some TDs, a solid running game, is MORE then enough to win with a defense this good. As shown by the 4-1 record I generally agree. However, it would be great to see a monster game once against a good team from Allen. This feels a little Mark sanchez like. And that’s fine because I love a playoff run but it makes me nervous long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) Nothing in the OP resembles a scientific comparison to say why any of these QBs are good or bad, it's just a list of names with arbitrary commentary on them. Maybe take some time if you're going to claim a 10 year comparison, you get high and mighty telling us you're going to "Give a Lesson" then give us nothing... may you should and I don't know... COMPARE THESE GUYS! Pull the stats from their first years as starters, compare them to the stats from their second years as starters, then third? Show progression of which failed and which succeeded? This thread is the equivalent of a Nathan Peterman pass... it's an attempt that easily gets picked off and taken the other way due to bad execution. Edited October 14, 2019 by MR8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: I generally agree. However, it would be great to see a monster game once against a good team from Allen. This feels a little Mark sanchez like. And that’s fine because I love a playoff run but it makes me nervous long term. Josh Allen was a VERY raw prospect coming into the league....he is better this year along with a better team around him.....I expect him to be even better NEXT year. I dont feel he is Sanchez like at all......who ***** the bed at the worst times...Josh Allen is his BEST at the key times in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Josh Allen was a VERY raw prospect coming into the league....he is better this year along with a better team around him.....I expect him to be even better NEXT year. I dont feel he is Sanchez like at all......who ***** the bed at the worst times...Josh Allen is his BEST at the key times in a game. I mean we know how Sanchez turned out but he went 5th overall and had similar numbers to Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm I think Philly will be a nice test for him. They are struggling a bit but still have a bunch of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Real McCoy said: This is great. Where did you get it? If he had a Bills logo on his shirt it would be perfect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean we know how Sanchez turned out but he went 5th overall and had similar numbers to Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm I think Philly will be a nice test for him. They are struggling a bit but still have a bunch of talent. The Titans were not a good test for him? That is a VERY solid defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Josh Allen was a VERY raw prospect coming into the league....he is better this year along with a better team around him.....I expect him to be even better NEXT year. I dont feel he is Sanchez like at all......who ***** the bed at the worst times...Josh Allen is his BEST at the key times in a game. I feel like the "he is raw" is a cop out. We see guys all the time come out of nowhere with a huge game. Just look at Kyle Allen who in his first game threw for more yards and TD's in a game than our Allen has. Allen has yet to do that. He has had chances but he has trouble playing a complete game thus far. That does not mean he wont. But no excuses, he just hasnt done it yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The Titans were not a good test for him? That is a VERY solid defense We scored 14 points. 1 minute ago, ngbills said: I feel like the "he is raw" is a cop out. We see guys all the time come out of nowhere with a huge game. Just look at Kyle Allen who in his first game threw for more yards and TD's in a game than our Allen has. Allen has yet to do that. He has had chances but he has trouble playing a complete game thus far. That does not mean he wont. But no excuses, he just hasnt done it yet. Yup and that’s kinda my point. I forgot the undrafted guy last year from SF who would have monster games last year. Why can’t the highest drafted guy in Bills history? and I get it. We’re winning. I just want to see a complete game from our potential franchise qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, ngbills said: I feel like the "he is raw" is a cop out. We see guys all the time come out of nowhere with a huge game. Just look at Kyle Allen who in his first game threw for more yards and TD's in a game than our Allen has. Allen has yet to do that. He has had chances but he has trouble playing a complete game thus far. That does not mean he wont. But no excuses, he just hasnt done it yet. QBs mature at different progressions...... And if you cannot see the improvements in his game even from year 1 I dont know what to tell you....its there and verifiable both statistically and visably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: We scored 14 points. We scored 7 more than they did 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I generally agree. However, it would be great to see a monster game once against a good team from Allen. This feels a little Mark sanchez like. And that’s fine because I love a playoff run but it makes me nervous long term. Why do you feel Allen is "Mark Sanchez like"? I don't see the resemblance at all. But in order to discuss, I need to understand what you see as the relevant factors of resemblence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: We scored 14 points. Yup and that’s kinda my point. I forgot the undrafted guy last year from SF who would have monster games last year. Why can’t the highest drafted guy in Bills history? and I get it. We’re winning. I just want to see a complete game from our potential franchise qb. Why is it so hard to understand that it is not just Josh Allen here.....it is The fact that our defense holds everyone down 10 new starters on offense And then it is of course because of turnovers We also still have pass catchers DROPPING TOUCHDOWN passes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is great. Where did you get it? If he had a Bills logo on his shirt it would be perfect. haha, a buddy texted me a couple weeks ago with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We scored 7 more than they did Why do you feel Allen is "Mark Sanchez like"? I don't see the resemblance at all. But in order to discuss, I need to understand what you see as the relevant factors of resemblence. High pick qb, playing on a team with a great defense, and winning games. Jets fans would just say he wins but ignore the overwhelming evidence that he was along for the ride. He would have “comebacks” but it would beecause he was terrible all game and the defense kept it close. Long way way to go to see that for Allen and I think he is more physically gifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why is it so hard to understand that it is not just Josh Allen here.....it is The fact that our defense holds everyone down 10 new starters on offense And then it is of course because of turnovers We also still have pass catchers DROPPING TOUCHDOWN passes And Josh Allen playing inconsistently. We should all hope this is not his ceiling. This defense will not sustain this level of play every game and for years to come. In many ways this team is winning despite Allen not because Allen. They would likely have the same outcomes and maybe actually have won the NE game if we had Tyrod Taylor level play thus far. That was not good enough and either should this version of Josh Allen. We have him because the hope is he continue to develop. I can guarantee you the coaches are not pleased and want more from him. No question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: He also lost the AFC Championship game to the Patriots. Guy is a joke. Right ... losing To a team that could only score 13 points in the super bowl? Im surprised they have tried to ditch him for a conditional 6th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why is it so hard to understand that it is not just Josh Allen here.....it is The fact that our defense holds everyone down 10 new starters on offense And then it is of course because of turnovers We also still have pass catchers DROPPING TOUCHDOWN passes I mean this honestly. When will allowed to want more from Allen? Am I bad fan because I want our highest drafted qb to have more tds than ints? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, ngbills said: And Josh Allen playing inconsistently. We should all hope this is not his ceiling. This defense will not sustain this level of play every game and for years to come. In many ways this team is winning despite Allen not because Allen. They would likely have the same outcomes and maybe actually have won the NE game if we had Tyrod Taylor level play thus far. That was not good enough and either should this version of Josh Allen. We have him because the hope is he continue to develop. I can guarantee you the coaches are not pleased and want more from him. No question. OMFG All you can ask for is playing well enough to win while showing improvement year to year....its called developing a QB (which is happening) if it makes you feel better to cry over other teams toys...have at it 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean this honestly. When will allowed to want more from Allen? Am I bad fan because I want our highest drafted qb to have more tds than ints? No you are not a bad fan for wanting it As long as you recognize that the arrow is pointing up and that it is journey to develop a QB like this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: QBs mature at different progressions...... And if you cannot see the improvements in his game even from year 1 I dont know what to tell you....its there and verifiable both statistically and visably And this is what I always worried about with Allen. We are just going to keep hearing about raw he is and how he needs a little more time. Ive grown to really like how he carries himself and he has shown some progression in the short game. But he is so inconsistent and I just hope that’s not going to be his whole career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 This does support the argument that those who have posted if Allen's a bust McD and Beane should be fired for wasting a high pick. The rate of success with QB's where ever they are drafted is very low. If it turns out Oliver or Edmunds, or Tre are busts then yes, but faulting a GM for picking a bad QB is silly and just setting the team back years again to start over. There was not a no brainer in the 2017 draft class either. Both Mayfield and Darnold the two drafted highest did also have question marks about them too. I do wonder what has happend to Goff though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: OMFG All you can ask for is playing well enough to win while showing improvement year to year....its called developing a QB (which is happening) if it makes you feel better to cry over other teams toys...have at it Play well enough to win? Then why not just keep Tyrod or find the most mediocre Qb that will protect the ball? I am not saying we ditch Allen. I just disagree with all the attempts to show he is actually playing great, he is actually better than xyz, this is the plan with him, its WR fault, fill in your excuse here. Yes, it is going to be a development process. Nothing wrong with being honest when the guy struggles. I dont think I have ever "cried over other team toys". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 MVP but losing lately ??? I want one of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: This does support the argument that those who have posted if Allen's a bust McD and Beane should be fired for wasting a high pick. The rate of success with QB's where ever they are drafted is very low. If it turns out Oliver or Edmunds, or Tre are busts then yes, but faulting a GM for picking a bad QB is silly and just setting the team back years again to start over. There was not a no brainer in the 2017 draft class either. Both Mayfield and Darnold the two drafted highest did also have question marks about them too. I do wonder what has happend to Goff though? What happened with Goff is the common misconception about what wins football. Goff lost some good O linemen and now he is getting more pressure. I know I’m old fashioned but football starts up front. Win the battles up front, win the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: What happened with Goff is the common misconception about what wins football. Goff lost some good O linemen and now he is getting more pressure. I know I’m old fashioned but football starts up front. Win the battles up front, win the games. don't follow other teams that closely, was it due to lack of $$ to pay them or they made some bad cuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: High pick qb, playing on a team with a great defense, and winning games. Jets fans would just say he wins but ignore the overwhelming evidence that he was along for the ride. He would have “comebacks” but it would beecause he was terrible all game and the defense kept it close. OK. So I'll give you 3 differences: 1) In 4 years playing on the Jets including with solid veteran WRs, a strong run game, and a good OL, Sanchez best completion % was 56%. His 4 year average was 55%. So far this year, Allen has improved from 53% to 63%. If Allen keeps it up, that's a very significant improvement his 2nd year. 2) Sanchez lacked the athleticism and rushing ability that Allen possesses - he actually was seen as athletic in college, perhaps a knee injury in college put paid to it. 3) Josh Allen seems to be taking a step in his progressions his 2nd year in the pros. Mark Sanchez was rumored to be struggling with Schottenheimer's playbook in his 3rd season. Now this may reflect relative experience: Allen played for 3 years in college, where Sanchez chose to declare for the draft after 1 season. Sanchez did start looking like a real QB in his 5th season, playing for Shurmer in Philly, so there's that. I don't think the Bills had a great defense last year. I'd call 18th on points mediocre. We got blown out in what, 5 games? Has Allen arrived, No. He has to progress as a QB to show that he's The Man, in particular with "taking what the D is giving him" and protecting the football. But is it reasonable to compare him to Sanchez? Also, No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: And this is what I always worried about with Allen. We are just going to keep hearing about raw he is and how he needs a little more time. Ive grown to really like how he carries himself and he has shown some progression in the short game. But he is so inconsistent and I just hope that’s not going to be his whole career. Rushing yards are way down because he is not just taking off out of the pocket at the first sight of trouble and 22 minutes ago, ngbills said: Play well enough to win? Then why not just keep Tyrod or find the most mediocre Qb that will protect the ball? I am not saying we ditch Allen. I just disagree with all the attempts to show he is actually playing great, he is actually better than xyz, this is the plan with him, its WR fault, fill in your excuse here. Yes, it is going to be a development process. Nothing wrong with being honest when the guy struggles. I dont think I have ever "cried over other team toys". Josh Allen is a better QB then Tyrod (who I supported)...is playing better......and who has MUCH more upside. Find a way to keep Tyrod in the pocket and we were toast.....Josh can actually throw the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If all the players were released into a pool and were drafted again, Mahomes would go 1st overall. Justifiably so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: don't follow other teams that closely, was it due to lack of $$ to pay them or they made some bad cuts? I think $$. Lost some guys to free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: No sorry, but I encourage you to try again. Every borderline insane opinion is not a valid “bills’ fan” let’s go buffalo-approved one just because they try to paint an Allen compliment in through the back door. Truly his reckoning is upon him. It does appear your opinion is something you have grown to believe is fact, and that seems to work for you, and I am happy for you, But still, I digress, Go Bills!!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I pulled the first 5 years passing statistics of the 30 Quarterbacks drafted since 2010 and put them in a spreadsheet for a statistical look of all the QBs taken there.So I am going to post some stats that I thought were important but I want to open it up to everyone, lemme know what stats you want, or if you want the spreadsheet I am more than willing to share it.YEAR 1I decided to make 6 starts or more their rookie season, it's just under half but enough to get a bit of a look at a QB. If you'd like me to alter the data another way I can... the guys who were weeded out because of insufficient starts: Daniel Jones (4), Tim Tebow (3), Paxton Lynch (2), Johnny Manziel (2), Patrick Mahomes (1), Dwayne Haskins (0), Jake Locker (0)What I am going to post is the top 10 at each of the following Category with Allen inserted in (If he's not in the top 10), and the Average of all QBs.Number of Games Started: Ranking Name GS 1 Andrew Luck 16 2 Carson Wentz 16 3 Sam Bradford 16 4 Ryan Tannehill 16 5 Cam Newton 16 6 Jameis Winston 16 7 Robert Griffin III 15 8 Brandon Weeden 15 9 Blaine Gabbert 14 10 Baker Mayfield 13 17 Josh Allen 11 GROUP AVERAGE 14.9 Win Percentage: Ranking Name GS Wins Losses Win% 1 Lamar Jackson 7 6 1 86% 2 Andrew Luck 16 11 5 69% 3 Robert Griffin III 15 9 6 60% 4 Teddy Bridgewater 12 6 6 50% 5 Deshaun Watson 6 3 3 50% 6 Baker Mayfield 13 6 7 46% 7 Josh Allen 11 5 6 45% 8 Carson Wentz 16 7 9 44% 9 Sam Bradford 16 7 9 44% 10 Ryan Tannehill 16 7 9 44% GROUP AVERAGE 12.4 4.9 7.4 39.5% Completion Percentage: (This one I left the whole list because I was surprised Luck was as low as he was) Ranking Name Cmp% 1 Robert Griffin III 65.6 2 Teddy Bridgewater 64.4 3 Kyler Murray 64.3 4 Baker Mayfield 63.8 5 Carson Wentz 62.4 6 Marcus Mariota 62.2 7 Deshaun Watson 61.8 8 Sam Bradford 60 9 Cam Newton 60 10 Mitchell Trubisky 59.4 11 Blake Bortles 58.9 12 EJ Manuel 58.8 13 Ryan Tannehill 58.3 14 Jameis Winston 58.3 15 Lamar Jackson 58.2 16 Sam Darnold 57.7 17 Brandon Weeden 57.4 18 Josh Rosen 55.2 19 Jared Goff 54.6 20 Christian Ponder 54.3 21 Andrew Luck 54.1 22 Josh Allen 52.8 23 Blaine Gabbert 50.8 GROUP AVERAGE 59% Yards: 1 Andrew Luck 4374 2 Cam Newton 4051 3 Jameis Winston 4042 4 Carson Wentz 3782 5 Baker Mayfield 3725 6 Sam Bradford 3512 7 Brandon Weeden 3385 8 Ryan Tannehill 3294 9 Robert Griffin III 3200 10 Teddy Bridgewater 2919 11 Blake Bortles 2908 12 Sam Darnold 2865 13 Marcus Mariota 2818 14 Josh Rosen 2278 15 Blaine Gabbert 2214 16 Mitchell Trubisky 2193 17 Josh Allen 2074 18 EJ Manuel 1972 19 Christian Ponder 1853 20 Deshaun Watson 1699 21 Kyler Murray 1664 22 Lamar Jackson 1201 23 Jared Goff 1089 Group Average 2744 Touch Downs: Ranking Name TD 1 Baker Mayfield 27 2 Andrew Luck 23 3 Jameis Winston 22 4 Cam Newton 21 5 Robert Griffin III 20 6 Marcus Mariota 19 7 Deshaun Watson 19 8 Sam Bradford 18 9 Sam Darnold 17 10 Carson Wentz 16 11 Teddy Bridgewater 14 12 Brandon Weeden 14 13 Christian Ponder 13 14 Ryan Tannehill 12 15 Blaine Gabbert 12 16 Blake Bortles 11 17 EJ Manuel 11 18 Josh Rosen 11 19 Josh Allen 10 20 Kyler Murray 7 21 Mitchell Trubisky 7 22 Lamar Jackson 6 23 Jared Goff 5 GROUP AVERAGE 14.5 Interceptions: Ranking Name Int 1 Andrew Luck 18 2 Cam Newton 17 3 Brandon Weeden 17 4 Blake Bortles 17 5 Jameis Winston 15 6 Sam Bradford 15 7 Sam Darnold 15 8 Carson Wentz 14 9 Baker Mayfield 14 10 Josh Rosen 14 11 Ryan Tannehill 13 12 Christian Ponder 13 13 Teddy Bridgewater 12 14 Josh Allen 12 15 Blaine Gabbert 11 16 Marcus Mariota 10 17 EJ Manuel 9 18 Deshaun Watson 8 19 Mitchell Trubisky 7 20 Jared Goff 7 21 Robert Griffin III 5 22 Kyler Murray 4 23 Lamar Jackson 3 Group Average 11.7 I will try and get year 2 done tonight, but definitely tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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