teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Today I'm a drunk, illiterate, with intellectual honesty, and a martyr mentality. Bang up day. Best part is, if the hand positioning was different during that play, he would have had 169 yards passing. Pretty cut and dry, and yet that has drawn more responses... the internet is hard...right champ? take it down a notch. it's not that important. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: the internet is hard...right champ? take it down a notch. it's not that important. Did Scottlaw replicate himself? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: the internet is hard...right champ? take it down a notch. it's not that important. So hard, that a simple take on Josh Allen elicited this much of a frenzy. From what I could assume would be adults... So, for nothing that's not that important, you guys all seem very wound up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 So you are saying he missed on 37.1% of his passes? Very inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did Scottlaw replicate himself? I've had an account longer than you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 PIcking off the best play from statistics can be a useful venture - but you have to do it unilaterally and compare it. If you take away the longest pass from every QB in every game and look at the statistics are you going to see some sort of trend? Taking one play off one game to make your 'point' is sort of pointless. It's like when people want to take that "one run" off a RB who breaks one during a game to show how futile he is. Except that play counted in the game. You're making a presumption that if that play didn't happen that nothing else would have changed in the game - which is incorrect. I'll take 4-1 as a starter this season, those are the only stats that matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I've had an account longer than you have. Yeah but how much can ya bench? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, MTBill said: PIcking off the best play from statistics can be a useful venture - but you have to do it unilaterally and compare it. If you take away the longest pass from every QB in every game and look at the statistics are you going to see some sort of trend? Taking one play off one game to make your 'point' is sort of pointless. It's like when people want to take that "one run" off a RB who breaks one during a game to show how futile he is. Except that play counted in the game. You're making a presumption that if that play didn't happen that nothing else would have changed in the game - which is incorrect. I'll take 4-1 as a starter this season, those are the only stats that matter to me. The one play is as simple as hand placement changing how it looked on the stat line. 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah but how much can ya bench? I cant bench, I lost my arm from the elbow down. But thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said: The one play is as simple as hand placement changing how it looked on the stat line. I cant bench, I lost my arm from the elbow down. But thanks. I didn't know that, I'm sorry. 1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said: The one play is as simple as hand placement changing how it looked on the stat line. That's a screen pass or shovel pass too. A screen pass is just a one to two yard pass to the side and a shovel pass is just a short toss as well.... The screen game is huge in KC and I've seen shovel passes too. Those count as passing yards too....do you discount those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: So hard, that a simple take on Josh Allen elicited this much of a frenzy. From what I could assume would be adults... So, for nothing that's not that important, you guys all seem very wound up. simple takes are fine. that's not exactly what was going on. you did something whacky and was called out on it. that's all. i think 99% of us on here know that allen needs to improve. it's obvious. most of us just aren't willing to manipulate stats to take away from the kid. 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did Scottlaw replicate himself? i'm not sure scott would take away a 50 yr play to prove a point. that's not his thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, teef said: simple takes are fine. that's not exactly what was going on. you did something whacky and was called out on it. that's all. i think 99% of us on here know that allen needs to improve. it's obvious. most of us just aren't willing to manipulate stats to take away from the kid. Now we are onto stat manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did Scottlaw replicate himself? It's drunk, illiterate, dishonest Scott Law apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: Now we are onto stat manipulation. we weren't. you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Dr. Who said: It's drunk, illiterate, dishonest Scott Law apparently. This guy gets it. I'm all a martyr who manipulates stats. Just now, teef said: we weren't. you were. Me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: This guy gets it. I'm all a martyr who manipulates stats. Me? jesus dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: This guy gets it. I'm all a martyr who manipulates stats. I don't agree with your view of Allen. I think his floor is already pretty good and the likelihood is he's going to be one of the top qbs given normal development and game experience. You've been around a long time. You're not a troll. I do think you're getting a bit too upset. Everything is fine and you are entitled to your opinion and observations. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, teef said: jesus dude. Lol, maybe sign off. Find something else to occupy your time. Watching grown adults, get this temperamental on a message board, over a post.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, teef said: no one is banding against you. you really need to stop with the martyr mentality. for some reason you were trying to take away production to prove a point. i'm not sure why. as mentioned, qbs have plays like that every sunday. it makes them no less a qb. why even bring it up? This. Baker was dubbed as the next Brett Favre by Booger McFarland for a 7 yard pass to Beckham that Odell took 80 yards to the house. Most QB's benefit from RB's and WR's getting them yards after catch. We finally seem to have players that can do that for Allen. Should we subtract that screen Mariota threw for 50+ yards? I mean, if we take that away.... Edited October 9, 2019 by SCBills 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: I don't agree with your view of Allen. I think his floor is already pretty good and the likelihood is he's going to be one of the top qbs given normal development and game experience. You've been around a long time. You're not a troll. I do think you're getting a bit too upset. Everything is fine and you are entitled to your opinion and observations. I just started trolling a bit because it was getting way to out of control with the obsession over a take on Josh Allen. Like you said, I've been around awhile, I know how it works. That being said, I've given Allen plenty of credit where credit was due. Didnt do it in this thread, and here we find our selves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: My post literally lays out exactly why I did. Read it again, a poster said they didnt watch the game. I made an observation that Allen only had 169 yards if you remove that sweep to McKenzie, but that he did take what the defense was giving him a d didnt try to beat the titans secondary. To be fair you should then give Allen two completions for the bad drops by Knox & Sweeny which would have given the Bills first downs in TN territory and added at least 6 more plays and the potential for a lot of extra yards. In fact, if we're going to play "coulda, woulda, shoulda" I'm quite confident Allen throws 2 more TD's passes on those drives and adds at least 75 more yards passing (with the drops). 2 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Immense contributions? The kid has how many turnovers? It's like praising the guy who saved the burning house, only to find out hes the one who lit it on fire to begin with. Allen has taken strides this year, that's obvious, but hes also still had a lot of struggles which are obvious. I'd be willing to bet, you put Allen on a team with a bottom ranked D, and there is not a chance he has four wins under his belt. I'll take that bet. Let's put Allen on the KC Chiefs. Very bad defense but with Andy Reid and a whole lot of weapons on the O how do you think it works out? I'm very confident that the Chiefs are still 4 - 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I will say that Josh Allen needs to make better game decisions and eliminate hero ball type throws into double coverage. I think criticism over he sliding after having been concussed not sliding is ridiculous. I think the antithesis of being a hero baller is being a game manager...what I mean by that is Josh needs to learn to use his WR's TE's and RB's on check downs and slants and allow THEM to get yards after the catch so first downs are manufactured and the hero ball becomes unnecessary. I think the kid has the smarts, physical skills and desire to succeed and improve. I think he doing so at a pace that some find not fast enough needs to be tempered with the improvement we HAVE seen. I think the kid is a gamer and a baller and Im glad he is out QB. Crying over spilled milk (aka players we didnt take) isnt productive it's whining and what purpose does it serve....anyway just a few thoughts from the peanut gallery.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) Josh Allen comp % 62.6, is still in the bottom 10 in the League. (Including injured QB's and their backups) The good news - Tom Brady is just 5 spots above him with 63.1 % So....... what we have here is ---- people bragging how well Josh's numbers are improving (always a good thing) . Reality says he has a long way to go. With Zay being traded, that excuse is no longer readily available. Edited October 9, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Lol, maybe sign off. Find something else to occupy your time. Watching grown adults, get this temperamental on a message board, over a post.... oh yeah. it's all of us who don't get it. 43 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I just started trolling a bit because it was getting way to out of control with the obsession over a take on Josh Allen. Like you said, I've been around awhile, I know how it works. That being said, I've given Allen plenty of credit where credit was due. Didnt do it in this thread, and here we find our selves yikes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, teef said: oh yeah. it's all of us who don't get it. yikes! Still getting a reaction out of you, get the net, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 STATS LIE. they are easily manipulated (as cited above) passing 300 yards can be the result of a bunch of short passes, a bunch of long passes, or a combination of both. A 10 yard pass can gain 60 yards with the right blocks and or blown coverage. YAC s/b in a category all its own. just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: Still getting a reaction out of you, get the net, move on. it seems important to you. look, you made a foolish comment, got called out on it, and now you don't know what to do. i think most that know me on here know i don't take this all that seriously. i think we all know who's getting upset here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Lol, maybe sign off. Find something else to occupy your time. Watching grown adults, get this temperamental on a message board, over a post.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 This is going just how I would expect an Allen discussion to go. Maybe it’s time we resurrect the Allen will be an MVP candidate thread for even more entertainment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Seriously? Terrible retort. The guy just said he has a long way to go.... which he CLEARLY does. Seriously. How many fourth quarter go ahead TD/Field goal drives has he led? What is his record in games started and finished? Wins and losses are what this is all about, ultimately. You Clearly ignore that. Yes, he can be better. They also don't win as many games without him. 6 hours ago, papazoid said: that over simplification completely ignores the immense contributions of our elite defense to those wins Not ignoring the defense. Allen still has to lead the winning drives, no? Sure, he needs to make better decisions. He does a lot of things well too. Edited October 9, 2019 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: This is going just how I would expect an Allen discussion to go. Maybe it’s time we resurrect the Allen will be an MVP candidate thread for even more entertainment I’m not sure about Allen being an MVP candidate, but I’m 100% positive he will be a first ballot HOFer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, teef said: it seems important to you. look, you made a foolish comment, got called out on it, and now you don't know what to do. i think most that know me on here know i don't take this all that seriously. i think we all know who's getting upset here. Still going, still responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: Still going, still responding. yes...you are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 10 hours ago, papazoid said: josh not in top 25 in passer rating or total qbr he has a long way to go yet 3rd in the NFL passer rating in the 4th quarter. Considering the Bills have only led in one 4th quarter so far this season and the Bills are 4-1, seems he's damn good when it counts. But he (and the offense) absolutely needs more consistency. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, K-9 said: But I'm having fun 1 minute ago, teef said: yes...you are. Why wouldnt i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: But I'm having fun Why wouldnt i? this has gone from entertaining to sad. have at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: this has gone from entertaining to sad. have at it. Calling someone out is entertainment for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Immense contributions? The kid has how many turnovers? It's like praising the guy who saved the burning house, only to find out hes the one who lit it on fire to begin with. Allen has taken strides this year, that's obvious, but hes also still had a lot of struggles which are obvious. I'd be willing to bet, you put Allen on a team with a bottom ranked D, and there is not a chance he has four wins under his belt. Is there a team with a bottom ranked D that has 4 or more wins right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, BillsFan17 said: Calling someone out is entertainment for you? no. watching you stumbling over your own posting was. it's ran it's course though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: My post literally lays out exactly why I did. Read it again, a poster said they didnt watch the game. I made an observation that Allen only had 169 yards if you remove that sweep to McKenzie, but that he did take what the defense was giving him a d didnt try to beat the titans secondary. No offense, this is a really ridiculous comment for one reason and one reason only. Every single QB in the NFL gets lots of yards and even TDs off of flip passes like that and short simple screens. You want to remove it off only Josh to paint your own narrative. Not to mention, Allen’s threat as a passer and a runner makes executing this type of play more effective too as it’s hard for the defense to cheat a play like that without getting burned bad somewhere else. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Is there a team with a bottom ranked D that has 4 or more wins right now? KC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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