OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would respect the Raiders so much if they did suspend him. ...three possible scenarios IMO..... 1. Mayock wants to suspend him and Chuckie & Davis stay out of the way-Mayock earns chunk of respect as "in charge "GM" 2. Mayock wants to suspend him, but Chuckie & Davis overrule him as AB stays; Mayock stays on as GM-zero respect as a puppet GM 3. Mayock wants to suspend him, but Chuckie & Davis overrule him as AB stays; Mayock immediately resigns as GM-earns chunk of respect as principled ....just a thought..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Didn't have time to read the whole thread so sorry if this is redundant----boo ho ho for the Raiders---too bad they signed this A-Hole---man did we dodge a bullet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, 1st&ten said: Didn't have time to read the whole thread so sorry if this is redundant----boo ho ho for the Raiders---too bad they signed this A-Hole---man did we dodge a bullet. That's basically a concise synopsis of the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...three possible scenarios IMO..... 1. Mayock wants to suspend him and Chuckie & Davis stay out of the way-Mayock earns chunk of respect as "in charge "GM" 2. Mayock wants to suspend him, but Chuckie & Davis overrule him as AB stays; Mayock stays on as GM-zero respect as a puppet GM 3. Mayock wants to suspend him, but Chuckie & Davis overrule him as AB stays; Mayock immediately resigns as GM-earns chunk of respect as principled ....just a thought..... I'm unsure of how this works. Can they just suspend him for 1 game or does it have to be at least 3 or 4 or whatever? I'm assuming they can just choose the amount they like. If so I think it'll be 1 game to show they're not a total circus, then throw him in week 2 after a ***** performance by their offense week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 BTW, remember how Tomlin was "soft" and a "people pleaser" who let players run the show? Somehow he kept Bell and Brown pretty much quiet and happy until the past year or so. I give him credit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 ...STILL think this whole thing about McBeane's "serious interest" is overblown......could see him inquiring...BUT...the biggest stumbling block for me is seeing McDermott buying into the signing knowing this azzclown fitting the "process" would work like a size 14 foot in a size 6 shoe.......just do NOT see McD "on board", but probably wrong..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: BTW, remember how Tomlin was "soft" and a "people pleaser" who let players run the show? Somehow he kept Bell and Brown pretty much quiet and happy until the past year or so. I give him credit! Agreed, that's one hell of a management job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: The one referring to the drama being trauma related. That's entirely possible but nobody wants to have that conversation. I expect it trauma play a big part in it. Look at Mario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I'm unsure of how this works. Can they just suspend him for 1 game or does it have to be at least 3 or 4 or whatever? I'm assuming they can just choose the amount they like. If so I think it'll be 1 game to show they're not a total circus, then throw him in week 2 after a ***** performance by their offense week 1. .....as a vested vet, if he is not on the roster for game 1, all guaranteed money is voided according to the CBA...thus the Raiders can suspend him for game 1, eliminate all guarantees ($29+ mil) and only eat his $1 mil signing bonus as well as the two picks they gave Steelers........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: If he ends up on the Patriots that is a good thing! The only time in Brady's tenure that they DIDN'T win Super Bowls was when they decided to load up on WR and throw the ball all over the place. They won a lot of games, then lost in the SB/Playoffs and Brady got hit a LOT in the process. Big time WRs take time to get open down field. You aren't going to throw the ball in 1.5 seconds and have AB open downfield. When you hold the ball, you WILL get hit. 42 year old skinny guys getting hit are not going to last long. NE change their game years ago to protect Brady. Run the ball, quick routes to smurf WRs who are always wide open, and the occasional toss it up play to Gronk, who could catch anything in his prime and was undefendable until injuries piled up. The thought of Brady holding the ball an extra second or two while guys run deeper routes and taking the type of hits that every other QB takes makes me smile. Quite apart from having to hold the ball, which I agree can be an issue, I don't know that Brady still has the arm to make the best use of AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 42 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Im thinking the past record of teams trading for high maintenance guys and being strict vs treating them as short term sideshows that you just keep between the ditches for 18 months favors the latter approach. You baby sit him and hope he shows up on Sunday if you pick up the guy. if you are making the decision to get that guy - your making a decision to put up with some nonsense. At this point they are knee deep in a major commitment that’s fast unraveling. That’s not defending brown. It’s accepting reality that a GM isn’t going to suddenly change him as a human being and you knew what he was before getting him. Employing such a person is a mistake, by making exceptions so an employee is allowed to do what Brown is doing without retribution is always a mistake, such administrative behavior creates resentment with the bulk of ones employees, then efficiency of operations declines, and end goals are rarely achieved. It’s always about the end goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 ...interesting....a hint???....... Jon Gruden: We have to adapt to Antonio Brown’s absence Posted by Michael David Smith on September 5, 2019, 4:15 PM EDT Raiders coach Jon Gruden says that if wide receiver Antonio Brown isn’t with the team, they’ll manage. Gruden wouldn’t say much about Brown today but did note that the Raiders’ offense already has plenty of experience working without Brown, who missed much of training camp with frostbitten feet and his helmet fiasco. Today Brown is once again away from the team after an altercation with General Manager Mike Mayock. “We have been practicing without him and preparing to play. No matter who’s injured, you have to adapt. Unfortunately we had to adapt today, but we’re very excited about our receiving corps,” Gruden said. Gruden wouldn’t explain precisely what happened with Brown, but hinted that the Raiders will have something to say about it soon. “I’m not gonna get into any of that stuff right now. We’ll have an official announcement later,” Gruden said. “I’m not going to get into all of it. Obviously he wasn’t here to day. When we have some information for you, we’ll get it to you.” https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/05/jon-gruden-we-have-to-adapt-to-antonio-browns-absence/#comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: wickedness lies in the eyes of the beholder Wickedness is only celebrated by the wicked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Brown looks like he is blowing up in the Raiders face...................... Hopefully, Bell does the same thing for the Jests. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Brown looks like he is blowing up in the Raiders face...................... Hopefully, Bell does the same thing for the Jests. Amen to that !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I have a different theory. It's the social media illness. It's made attention whores out of all sorts of people. Regular people with regular jobs who can't stop posting vague updates about being 'fed up' with no other explanation, just waiting for all those 'what's wrong?' messages to come flooding in. Brown is very heavy on social media and I think he's just become addicted to seeing all the views and comments his antics generate. If he wasn't famous he'd be busy on Facebook (or one of these message boards) trolling people and then sitting back and getting a hardon at the flood of replies That’s a good possibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...interesting....a hint???....... Jon Gruden: We have to adapt to Antonio Brown’s absence Posted by Michael David Smith on September 5, 2019, 4:15 PM EDT Raiders coach Jon Gruden says that if wide receiver Antonio Brown isn’t with the team, they’ll manage. Gruden wouldn’t say much about Brown today but did note that the Raiders’ offense already has plenty of experience working without Brown, who missed much of training camp with frostbitten feet and his helmet fiasco. Today Brown is once again away from the team after an altercation with General Manager Mike Mayock. “We have been practicing without him and preparing to play. No matter who’s injured, you have to adapt. Unfortunately we had to adapt today, but we’re very excited about our receiving corps,” Gruden said. Gruden wouldn’t explain precisely what happened with Brown, but hinted that the Raiders will have something to say about it soon. “I’m not gonna get into any of that stuff right now. We’ll have an official announcement later,” Gruden said. “I’m not going to get into all of it. Obviously he wasn’t here to day. When we have some information for you, we’ll get it to you.” https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/05/jon-gruden-we-have-to-adapt-to-antonio-browns-absence/#comments This whole situation reminds me of Kim Kardashian's first marriage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoSaint Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Employing such a person is a mistake, by making exceptions so an employee is allowed to do what Brown is doing without retribution is always a mistake, such administrative behavior creates resentment with the bulk of ones employees, then efficiency of operations declines, and end goals are rarely achieved. It’s always about the end goals. They already decided to employ him and commit heavily to two seasons with him. Once youve made that decision you have to figure out how to maximize. I’m sorry but few of our day to day jobs come with an office that shares a guy getting $30m guaranteed so I don’t think standard issue HR stuff translates apples to apples. But if your top sales person brought in ten times the second best and the majority of your revenue he probably gets to make his own hours. Especially if you hired him from the competition for a huge contract knowing he came in late and liked to golf on Friday afternoon. If you want to write him up for that and withhold commissions you probably shouldn’t have brought him on in the first place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Bet they are happy they Traded Amari Cooper at this point. I’ll bet Amari Cooper is happy they traded Amari Cooper at this point. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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