dwight in philly Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Basically it is... Fined and probation in the USA? no jail? jeez i have heard on the 6 O clock news that some felons went to jail..i better stop watching CNN i guess. Edited August 23, 2019 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Having a defense and a successful defense are different. Why do you think this would work? Innocent until proven guilty. I would think burden of proof would have to be that beyond a shadow of a doubt there was no way that someone didnt break in (causing the alarm to go off) and set the stuff in his place and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 10 hours ago, fansince88 said: Innocent until proven guilty. I would think burden of proof would have to be that beyond a shadow of a doubt there was no way that someone didnt break in (causing the alarm to go off) and set the stuff in his place and leave. There are these things called fingerprints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: This is also a cautionary tale about installing home alarm systems that automatically notify the police. It's an engraved invitation for law enforcement to check out your crib. That said, the local paper here are saying that the NFL will likely not act until they issue go to trial and Chung will likely not miss any games this year. That's Judge Goodell for you. The scales of justice always tilt towards Foxboro. Actually, in criminal matters, that's usually how the NFL response--to let the justice system run its course before deciding on suspension. 21 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said: This is correct. If the people on the contact list dont asnwer the phone when the alarm company calls, it is not considered a false alarm. Police have probable cause to enter the house. They cannot use that probable cause to go through drawers and boxes looking for contraband but if it is out in the open then the Police can act on it. Not sure if you guys have had home alarm systems, but they are not "an invitation for law enforcement to check out your crib". If there is no response from the owner through usually 2 listed phone numbers, the cops are sent. If they knock and no one answers, they will check the outside of the house for evidence of forced entry. If the see it, they will secure the area and begin the investigation. If there is no evidence of forced entry, they will hang out for a while. They do not bust into the house. Edited August 24, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: There are these things called fingerprints. Fingerprints on Cocaine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 2:39 PM, CardinalScotts said: at the VERY least Chung either has a cocaine problem or is a dealer....its not going away He may not touch it and it may be for his guests. You still can get in trouble for allowing illegal drugs on your property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, fansince88 said: Fingerprints on Cocaine? Ever heard of a bag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 10:30 AM, PromoTheRobot said: Just looked up cocaine laws in NH. This is some bad juju. Hope he's got a good lawyer and a judge who's a Patriots season ticket holder. Hmmm .. I wonder if we would get the same consideration .... need 8 months to gather more information .. that is some serious investigations for a straightforward situation. What are the odds that the initial discussion that led to the agreement to postpone until March were had in a comfortable box shaped office high over a stadium. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/patriots-patrick-chung-to-return-to-court-after-season-ends/97-de319365-3ab0-4a43-804b-e1eed5368e3c. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said: Hmmm .. I wonder if we would get the same consideration .... need 8 months to gather more information .. that is some serious investigations for a straightforward situation. In light of your insinuated claim of favouritism, the NFL has awarded a compensatory draft pick to the New England Patriots. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: In light of your insinuated claim of favouritism, the NFL has awarded a compensatory draft pick to the New England Patriots. I don’t believe you until @Roger Goodell confirms it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 So wait, he's still active and playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So wait, he's still active and playing? Yup. Courtesy of the Patriots legal team and cozy relationships with regional court officials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 People still do cocaine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Just now, TigerJ said: Yup. Courtesy of the Patriots legal team and cozy relationships with regional court officials? I would think their relationship with Goodell and the Commissioner's Exempt List would play into this somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, iinii said: People still do cocaine? Hey, if bell bottoms could make a come back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 11:12 AM, ToGoGo said: I mean....how much cocaine? It doesn't say. Hate to break it to the squares here, but half the NFL does cocaine. Was Chung in possession for use or was he dealing? Squares here? ? Cocaine is so '80s and '90s. Pot. The indictment is for "possession". Felony charge, and New Hampshire, so quantity unknown. "Little people" in the NFL be slammed onto the Commissioner's Exempt List while it plays out in court, but evidently Patriots are "exempt" from that. Heck, can even get their court date delayed until after the season. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/patriots-patrick-chung-to-return-to-court-after-season-ends/97-de319365-3ab0-4a43-804b-e1eed5368e3c 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Squares here? ? Cocaine is so '80s and '90s. Pot. The indictment is for "possession". Felony charge, and New Hampshire, so quantity unknown. "Little people" in the NFL be slammed onto the Commissioner's Exempt List while it plays out in court, but evidently Patriots are "exempt" from that. Heck, can even get their court date delayed until after the season. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/patriots-patrick-chung-to-return-to-court-after-season-ends/97-de319365-3ab0-4a43-804b-e1eed5368e3c New Hampshire has two classes of Felony: A and B. B is the lesser of the two and what Chung was indicted on. Also (from the SI article linked below): "Given that Chung was charged with possession, rather than a more serious offense for manufacturing cocaine or intent to traffic cocaine, the amount discovered must have indicated personal use. An absence of nearby suspicious items, such as bags and cash, would also be consistent with a finding that the drugs were for use rather than for sale or distribution." https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/22/patrick-chung-patriots-felony-cocaine-possession-charge This is - in a way - similar to what Kraft went through. I say this because had Kraft taken ANY kind of plea deal, he'd have been admitting guilt. Slap on the wrist as a citizen; open to far harsher penalties from the NFL. Since it appears that this cocaine was for personal use, a plea deal would just cost him a very affordable (for him) fine, most likely. But I'm guessing he'll go the Kraft route; take advantage of the extra time; and get a team of lawyers to do whatever it take$ to get this thrown out altogether. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gugny said: New Hampshire has two classes of Felony: A and B. B is the lesser of the two and what Chung was indicted on. Also (from the SI article linked below): "Given that Chung was charged with possession, rather than a more serious offense for manufacturing cocaine or intent to traffic cocaine, the amount discovered must have indicated personal use. An absence of nearby suspicious items, such as bags and cash, would also be consistent with a finding that the drugs were for use rather than for sale or distribution." https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/22/patrick-chung-patriots-felony-cocaine-possession-charge This is - in a way - similar to what Kraft went through. I say this because had Kraft taken ANY kind of plea deal, he'd have been admitting guilt. Slap on the wrist as a citizen; open to far harsher penalties from the NFL. Since it appears that this cocaine was for personal use, a plea deal would just cost him a very affordable (for him) fine, most likely. But I'm guessing he'll go the Kraft route; take advantage of the extra time; and get a team of lawyers to do whatever it take$ to get this thrown out altogether. Apparently his team is trying to get the evidence dismissed as "inadmissable" by questioning the legality of the search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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