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11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

His scouting report is very similar to Kelce's:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dawson-knox?id=32194b4e-4f49-0795-942a-0c363ee9b439

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/travis-kelce?id=2540258

 

You cannot be a premier TE in the NFL if you aren't extremely athletic. Sweeney will never be that good. I'm very happy with how he's played especially for a 7th rounder. But Knox already had the starting spot locked down before his injury and Sweeney hasn't shown anything that will stop him from taking it back.

 

I hope we can see Knox at some point in preseason but it might be too late for that. We haven't had a good look at him yet.

There are lots of fantastic athletes that aren't great football players. At some point he has to back up the hype with some sort of production. Sweeney can be very productive and is an excellent blocker. 

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4 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

This is funny. 

 

Knox has been injured a majority of camp, yet based on his limited college statistics and media camp reports, he is going to be a stud.But don’t worry, hedge your bet by throwing in the 7th rd pick who has had a couple nice catches in preseason, and you can’t go wrong.

 

 

 

 

Well, you can count me in with the kooky funny crowd because I am going to go out on a limb and say that both Knox and Sweeney will be the best TE tandem that the Bills have had in since.....well.....

 

 

Forever.

 

I'm on both their bandwagons

 

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I don't know of any modern stud TE's who ran in the 4.8s.  Hopefully Sweeney can be the first.

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Just now, Magox said:

 

Well, you can count me in with the kooky funny crowd because I am going to go out on a limb and say that both Knox and Sweeney will be the best TE tandem that the Bills have had in since.....well.....

 

 

Forever.

 

I'm on both their bandwagons

 

 

I'm more okay with this prediction more so than the OP's either Sweeney OR Knox. No doubt they're hard not too root for and get excited about. But I'm trying to temper expectations. 

 

What's a successful season for either of these guys statistically? Rec's, Yards, TD's?

 

Our leading TE last year was Croom with 22 receptions, 250 yards and 1 TD. Go ahead and add in Clay's statistics (21, 184, 0) to form a total and you get a whopping 43 receptions, 434 yards and a TD. That is less than average  as far as the league goes...collectively! Let's stop comparing our current players to past players, and start looking at them in comparison to players across the league:

 

If either player totals this amount of yards or receptions as last years COMBINED total, you can certainly count it a success. A rookie TE with these stats (43, 434, 1) would be encouraging. But keep some perspective. If you compare this stat line to last years TE crop across the league, we'd collectively finish 19th in yards, right ahead of Jesse James but behind C.J. Uzomah (43, 439, 3).

 

 

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There is really only one thing that counts, neither of them is Charles Clay, so I say keep both.

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1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

I'm more okay with this prediction more so than the OP's either Sweeney OR Knox. No doubt they're hard not too root for and get excited about. But I'm trying to temper expectations. 

 

What's a successful season for either of these guys statistically? Rec's, Yards, TD's?

 

Our leading TE last year was Croom with 22 receptions, 250 yards and 1 TD. Go ahead and add in Clay's statistics (21, 184, 0) to form a total and you get a whopping 43 receptions, 434 yards and a TD. That is less than average  as far as the league goes...collectively! Let's stop comparing our current players to past players, and start looking at them in comparison to players across the league:

 

If either player totals this amount of yards or receptions as last years COMBINED total, you can certainly count it a success. A rookie TE with these stats (43, 434, 1) would be encouraging. But keep some perspective. If you compare this stat line to last years TE crop across the league, we'd collectively finish 19th in yards, right ahead of Jesse James but behind C.J. Uzomah (43, 439, 3).

 

 

I wont commit to their stats this year as Kroft will be in the picture (maybe).

 

But I believe if Sweeney were our #1 and #2 TE's and they got the playing time that corresponds to that then I'd say between the two of them they'd get over 80 receptions their rookie years and would only get better with time.

 

But I dont know McD and Dabol's plans, they may want Lee Smith to have a large role with his blocking ability, who knows how Kroft recovers and he could play a large role as well and of course that would have major implications for Sweeney and Knox.  Even though I think it will be difficult for Kroft to get any sort of rapport with Allen, optimistically probably not until the 2nd half of the year could he become a factor.  And Croom, I think his days are numbered.

 

Over time, I do believe Sweeney and Knox will be our 1 - 2 punch from the TE spot.  I'm hoping this year as I think they will be up for the challenge.

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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

His scouting report is very similar to Kelce's:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dawson-knox?id=32194b4e-4f49-0795-942a-0c363ee9b439

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/travis-kelce?id=2540258

 

You cannot be a premier TE in the NFL if you aren't extremely athletic. Sweeney will never be that good. I'm very happy with how he's played especially for a 7th rounder. But Knox already had the starting spot locked down before his injury and Sweeney hasn't shown anything that will stop him from taking it back.

 

I hope we can see Knox at some point in preseason but it might be too late for that. We haven't had a good look at him yet.

 

 

Neither did the Ol Miss fans...

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8 minutes ago, Magox said:

I wont commit to their stats this year as Kroft will be in the picture (maybe).

 

But I believe if Sweeney were our #1 and #2 TE's and they got the playing time that corresponds to that then I'd say between the two of them they'd get over 80 receptions their rookie years and would only get better with time.

 

But I dont know McD and Dabol's plans, they may want Lee Smith to have a large role with his blocking ability, who knows how Kroft recovers and he could play a large role as well and of course that would have major implications for Sweeney and Knox.  Even though I think it will be difficult for Kroft to get any sort of rapport with Allen, optimistically probably not until the 2nd half of the year could he become a factor.  And Croom, I think his days are numbered.

 

Over time, I do believe Sweeney and Knox will be our 1 - 2 punch from the TE spot.  I'm hoping this year as I think they will be up for the challenge.

 

They could very well become 1 and 2 this year. However, I'd take the under on a combined 80 receptions without Kroft in the picture all day.  For a measuring stick, Kroft had 42 receptions for 404 yards in 2017. You're more likely to see one of them reciprocate this than both adding up to 80.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I would rather keep 4 TE and get rid of DiMarco. 

 

I agree.  He was in at the goal line though when McCoy scored.  I think one of the TEs could be used like an H-back instead of DiMarco.

 

It will be interesting to see how much special teams play is considered with roster decisions.  Sinoris Perry is known to be a good special teams player but hasn’t shown much as a RB and fumbled on Friday.  McCloud made a nice tackle on a punt coverage and I noticed Duke Williams also out there on coverages.  IIRC LeeSmith was a big part of blocking and coverage during his first time with the Bills.  DiMarco we know is good, too, but if they go mainly with one back sets, he’s kind of a waste of a roster spot. 

 

Yeldon looked good this last game so decisions on the RB group could also be tough.  I think they should stash Wade in that special PS slot.  If he’s shown in practice as he’s shown in his few game opportunities, he can learn this year and then be ready to contribute next season when McCoy and Gore’s deals are done.

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I get liking them. I do too, but maybe let them take a single snap in the regular season before declaring they'll be studs?

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7 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

They could very well become 1 and 2 this year. However, I'd take the under on a combined 80 receptions without Kroft in the picture all day.  For a measuring stick, Kroft had 42 receptions for 404 yards in 2017. You're more likely to see one of them reciprocate this than both adding up to 80.

 

By the time Kroft is eligible to return, he might not see the field.

 

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4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I would rather keep 4 TE and get rid of DiMarco. 

Me as well but that's Sean's boy there and I doubt he goes anywhere.

31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Neither did the Ol Miss fans...

They didn't need to with the talent they had at receiver. The kids a lock and is going to be good IMO.

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34 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Me as well but that's Sean's boy there and I doubt he goes anywhere.

They didn't need to with the talent they had at receiver. The kids a lock and is going to be good IMO.

 

 

He's a lock to make the roster yes.  Maybe he will be good.  he hasn't done much to prove so yet.  He was a TE for 2 years in his football life to this point....

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5 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Duke fits into the WR room like a turd in a punch bowl. 

I literally just spit tea out onto the dining room table laughing when I read this. :lol:

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Sweeney looks good to me. And Knox sounds good from all the camp reports before he got hurt. Excited to see them progress this year.

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9 hours ago, whorlnut said:

...will be studs. I really believe that by drafting two TEs and having Sweeney show something while Knox is out will pay huge dividends. These guys will push each other because they know that the other guy is breathing down their neck if they have a few bad plays. I’m really excited about the position for the first time in a VERY long time.

and don't forget Tyler Kroft...We could have a pretty good TE group on this team. When you have three players better than your last years best (Croom) that says about the depth we ahve built.

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7 hours ago, Sunshower said:

Knox actually had a fairly underwhelming college career, but has all the measurable of a 1st round pick. Sweeney actually produced more in college.

Knox had a QB in college who had three future NFL WR's to throw to before he thought of throwing to Knox.  Sweeney did not.  

 

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6 hours ago, Magox said:

 

Well, you can count me in with the kooky funny crowd because I am going to go out on a limb and say that both Knox and Sweeney will be the best TE tandem that the Bills have had in since.....well.....

 

 

Forever.

 

I'm on both their bandwagons

 

Metzalarz & McKeller say ‘Hi!’

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I love Sweeney. Think he will go down as an absolute steal.

 

Didn't like the Knox pick and I think we could end up looking back wishing we'd not have made the move and drafted a WR/OL. 

 

We shall see.

5 hours ago, chris heff said:

There is really only one thing that counts, neither of them is Charles Clay, so I say keep both.

That's a virtual given. Sweeney has proven too much to be PS'd and Knox was a third round pick.

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13 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, like the youngsters at TE.

 

Go Bills!!!

Well Sweeney is 24 so “youngster” might be a stretch.

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2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Well Sweeney is 24 so “youngster” might be a stretch.

Well, when you’re sixty, twenty four is youngster 😜

 

Go Bills!!!

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I think both Sweeney and Knox will make the roster.  Beane will have to adjust accordingly.  Sweeney's play makes it tough to keep Lee Smith as a blocking TE.  The injury to Kroft gives the Bills some flexibility.  He likely won't be fully ready to go at the start of the season, and I think the Bills can just leave him on PUP until such a time as they need him.

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Thank God Detroit took Hockenson , who I'm sure will be a great TE , but things really fell out way and Beane maneuvered through the draft perfectly if y a ask me

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usatsi_13219426.jpg?w=1024&h=614&crop=1

 

Bills TE Lee Smith is rooting for rookie Tommy Sweeney

 

Bills tight end Tommy Sweeney has one of his biggest fans very close to home. It’s teammate Lee Smith.

 

Both playing the same position, it could be tough to imagine both players making the team’s final roster. Especially with the roller coaster the Bills have had at the position this offseason.

 

 

“There’s nobody pulling for more than me. I was him,” Smith told the team’s website. “Like I said I was a later round pick who was just trying to find my way in the league. And I had good veteran, Kyle Williams around me back in those days, he showed me how to be a true pro.”

 

Smith wasn’t a seventh rounder, but he was a later pick in the fifth in 2011 by the Bills, so he can level with the rookie.

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No need to wait for the actual games to start - I'm thinking we can figure out now, in this thread, if these guys are going to be good.

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