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29 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

And he proceeded to drop an easy ball from Barkley. 

 

I know I know - Foster’s proven enough already right? He should just be handed a significant role “cuz he worked so haaard guys.” 

 

Let’s all get back to hating Zay Jones now.

I think the point is the Bills have issues at WR. 

 

Foster and Jones both have significant issues. 

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12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

 

 

We cant just send the WR opposite Brown deep every play.  

 

 

Or can we??

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2 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

Or can we??

 

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It's amazing to me how much people make out of the occasional drop. There's not a receiver in the league who doesn't have drops. Robert Foster had a catch percentage last season of 61.4 percent, which is ridiculously high for a guy averaging 20 yards per reception.

 

Come on.

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10 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

To each his own. Foster had a horrible drop too. And he was playing with the 3s, Zay with the 1s. Not sure you’ll get your wish

 

Foster has had one good season in the NFL. Zay has had 0.

 

I don't see how we cut Foster who is the only QB on the roster with experience playing with Allen who also plays to Allen's strength's as a deep ball passer. If we cut Foster all we have is Brown. If Brown gets banged up and misses some games we have nobody. On the flip side if Beasley goes down we have either McCloud, Zay, or McKenzie that can fill the same role.

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3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Foster has had one good season in the NFL. Zay has had 0.

 

I don't see how we cut Foster who is the only QB on the roster with experience playing with Allen who also plays to Allen's strength's as a deep ball passer. If we cut Foster all we have is Brown. If Brown gets banged up and misses some games we have nobody. On the flip side if Beasley goes down we have either McCloud, Zay, or McKenzie that can fill the same role.

 

Zay Jones was the Bills’ leading receiver last year.

 

look if you want to just make stuff up and not be even-handed because your a Foster fanboy be my guest. You’re entitled to all the ridiculous opinions you want. But you’d convince more people if you made the smallest attempt to be just a little even-handed. 

 

Zay’s playing with the 1s. Has been since the start of camp. Foster’s languishing with the 3s. His drop was worse than Zay’s. I am not making any of this up.

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1 hour ago, JustWinPlease said:

What the f**k is this team doing with Robert Foster?

 

I mean, what more can they ask from a kid...he got cut last year, worked on the practice squad, made his way back and balled out.

Now they have him as the 6th WR in the rotation? That's insane.

Last night he was 6th.

 

It's possible that they want to get a better look at McKenzie and McCloud. That's the real battle right there. No way both make the team. They might see Foster as a lock and want to work both McCloud and McKenzie with the one's and two's to better judge them. At least that is what I hope is going on.

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5 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Zay Jones was the Bills’ leading receiver last year.

 

Not on a yards per game basis.

 

Foster averaged more yards per game once he came back. Also had a higher reception average and catch percentage despite being asked to run deeper routes.

 

At best we can make an argument for Zay that neither has had a good year in the NFL. But that isn't really a great argument since Zay has had more chances to prove himself.

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14 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Zay’s playing with the 1s. Has been since the start of camp. Foster’s languishing with the 3s. His drop was worse than Zay’s. I am not making any of this up.

 

I'm also not making anything up.

 

Foster averaged more yards per game than Zay. And all in his first year in the NFL which is typically a large learning curve for a receiver. Higher catch percentage on a far greater ypc.

 

Maybe it is generous to say Foster had a good year last year. But Zay hasn't sniffed a good year in the NFL in two seasons either.

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3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Not on a yards per game basis.

 

Foster averaged more yards per game once he came back. Also had a higher reception average and catch percentage despite being asked to run deeper routes.

 

At best we can make an argument for Zay that neither has had a good year in the NFL. But that isn't really a great argument since Zay has had more chances to prove himself.

 

Cherry picking stats. Foster averaged, wait for it: 2 catches a game (27/13 GP). See I can do that too. He put together a small handful of good performances. That’s not a good “season.” It’s a decent stretch of games. He hasn’t proven anything, and the coaches seem to agree with me, since he’s in TC running with the threes. But I see you got conspiracy theories on that too. Lol. Im done chief. You’re ridiculous.

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32 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

It's amazing to me how much people make out of the occasional drop. There's not a receiver in the league who doesn't have drops. Robert Foster had a catch percentage last season of 61.4 percent, which is ridiculously high for a guy averaging 20 yards per reception.

 

Come on.

 

There's heightened attention to the one drop because of his past history and early stories from camp that he didn't come as prepared as he should have been.  Hence the shading to the downside. 

 

I'm guessing there wouldn't be as lengthy of a discussion if Brown or Beasley had one drop.

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1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Cherry picking stats. Foster averaged, wait for it: 2 catches a game (27/13 GP). See I can do that too. He put together a small handful of good performances. That’s not a good “season.” It’s a decent stretch of games. He hasn’t proven anything, and the coaches seem to agree with me, since he’s in TC running with the threes. But I see you got conspiracy theories on that too. Lol. Im done chief. You’re ridiculous.

 

Cherry picking nothing.

 

The numbers are what they are. Foster contributed at least as much value as Zay did on a per game basis. Doesn't matter if the yards would have come in even a single 41 yard catch per game. Zay caught 1.7 more receptions per game but was targeted with 3.5 more receptions per game. By that spread Zay should have caught far more than the 56 receptions he had on the season.

 

People are usually done when they realize their argument, that Zay somehow has had a good season, is blown to bits.

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9 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Cherry picking stats. Foster averaged, wait for it: 2 catches a game (27/13 GP). See I can do that too. He put together a small handful of good performances. That’s not a good “season.” It’s a decent stretch of games. He hasn’t proven anything, and the coaches seem to agree with me, since he’s in TC running with the threes. But I see you got conspiracy theories on that too. Lol. Im done chief. You’re ridiculous.

I would not say Foster had a good season....but if you look at the 2nd half of season stats and compared them with the rest of the league....Foster was doing VERY well compared to other NFL recievers.

 

My problem with this is that should be a starting point for him to take him into this season take ANOTHER step....which so far he is not doing.   I dont want a Foster/Zay Jones comparison.....I want ppl to look at Foster as a legit number 1 guy because he has that ability

 

He needs to show it

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I think something weird is going on with Foster and it's going to be decided personally by McD and staff. His play on-field during preseason won't be the determining factor imo.

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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would not say Foster had a good season....but if you look at the 2nd half of season stats and compared them with the rest of the league....Foster was doing VERY well compared to other NFL recievers.

 

My problem with this is that should be a starting point for him to take him into this season take ANOTHER step....which so far he is not doing.   I dont want a Foster/Zay Jones comparison.....I want ppl to look at Foster as a legit number 1 guy because he has that ability

 

He needs to show it

 

I don't know if he has a legit #1 guy type skill set. But he does have a skill set. He's might be similar to John Brown for instance. Decent player but not going to confuse him with a #1 WR. 

 

The bottom line is Brown and Foster are the only guys on the roster that can take the top off the defense. If Foster is cut all we have is Brown while presumably we would have Beasley, McCloud, McKenzie and Zay all with similar skill sets. I don't see Foster getting cut even if he running with the threes.

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6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would not say Foster had a good season....but if you look at the 2nd half of season stats and compared them with the rest of the league....Foster was doing VERY well compared to other NFL recievers.

 

My problem with this is that should be a starting point for him to take him into this season take ANOTHER step....which so far he is not doing.   I dont want a Foster/Zay Jones comparison.....I want ppl to look at Foster as a legit number 1 guy because he has that ability

 

He needs to show it

 

That’s right - he had a great, brief stretch of games, not a whole season. And he may have been primed to take that next step; he instead has either regressed or at least is currently caught in the wash amongst the new additions and other young guys. 

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2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I don't know if he has a legit #1 guy type skill set. But he does have a skill set. He's might be similar to John Brown for instance. Decent player but not going to confuse him with a #1 WR. 

 

The bottom line is Brown and Foster are the only guys on the roster that can take the top off the defense. If Foster is cut all we have is Brown while presumably we would have Beasley, McCloud, McKenzie and Zay all with similar skill sets. I don't see Foster getting cut even if he running with the threes.

I dont see him getting cut either....my concern now is playing time

The more speed on the field the better

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I dont see him getting cut either....my concern now is playing time

The more speed on the field the better

 

Player personnel could be a game by game basis. Even changing series to series. As long as he is on the team I won't be worried.

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1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Foster has had one good season in the NFL. Zay has had 0.

 

 

 

Zay had more receptions, more yards and more TDS than Foster last year. Tell me again how Foster had a better season?

 

Because Foster did it in fewer games? That’s because Foster got cut and placed on the practice squad for 4 games. That ain’t a “better season.”

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38 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would not say Foster had a good season....but if you look at the 2nd half of season stats and compared them with the rest of the league....Foster was doing VERY well compared to other NFL recievers.

 

My problem with this is that should be a starting point for him to take him into this season take ANOTHER step....which so far he is not doing.   I dont want a Foster/Zay Jones comparison.....I want ppl to look at Foster as a legit number 1 guy because he has that ability

 

He needs to show it

Look at :52 in the first qtr..Barkley gives him the sign to go deep after breaking huddle...Foster ran the route of the original call...no excuse.

Also..His drop in the flat from Barkley was something that doesn't happen to solid wr's either...at least he broke free from the coverage..but the ball did hit his ten fingers and boof.

Right now..he's still a one trick pony who needs to know his playbook better and become more alert.

Imo..Foster is #6 right now.,nothing more,nothing less.

Kudos to McKenzie for having a solid night.

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4 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Zay had more receptions, more yards and more TDS than Foster last year. Tell me again how Foster had a better season?

 

Because Foster did it in fewer games? That’s because Foster got cut and placed on the practice squad for 4 games. That ain’t a “better season.”

 

Maybe i put my foot in my mouth saying Foster had one good season. 

 

But if we are arguing who is better Foster vs. Zay, neither has had a good full season. Zay has two full seasons under his belt and hasn't even had a 5 or 6 game stretch in either of the two seasons where he looked good. Foster at least has. Even if it was a small sample size and only for 5 games or so.

 

Touting Zay as some sort of leader of the Bills receiving core with totals of 650 yards and 55 receptions or whatever it is doesn't benefit Zay in a good way.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, GG said:

 

There's heightened attention to the one drop because of his past history and early stories from camp that he didn't come as prepared as he should have been.  Hence the shading to the downside. 

 

I'm guessing there wouldn't be as lengthy of a discussion if Brown or Beasley had one drop.

I dunno. The guy can clearly play. He was arguably the best offensive player on the team over the course of the second half of last season. I think it's a really bad idea to cut him loose even if he's not having a great camp, and the focus on his alleged foibles seems a little silly to me. He costs nothing and has real upside in the form of speed and size. What's not to like? 

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I like Foster a lot and don't get what is going on. Do they not like explosive plays?

 

IF he goes anywhere it better be KC. IF we won't use him at least help KC end the evil empire. 

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