Buffalo716 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) It may be a league of stars but draft position means NOTHING once you get the call A late round undersized DT like Kyle Williams can outplay a 1rd pick like John Mccargo and go on to a storied career Overlooked Fred Jackson can eventually get that call because his shear will , determination and talent could not be denied Over 20% of the league is UDFAs and that shows the parity of the league The Bills own Robert Foster is on Pace to become a breakout star and his chemistry with allen should be phenomenal for years And his Bama teammate and our own Bill Levi Wallace also fits that mold He WALKED ON at Bama and became a starter by his SR season... That is almost unheard of for a skill position player at a school like Bama Finding the diamonds in the rough consistently can turn around a team fast as you get a good player at a bargain cost and save salary for other positions As of now I do have faith in this regimes ability to find and coach under the radar players which is a great sign Few more months ... Go Bills Edited June 23, 2019 by Buffalo716 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Patriots be like... "What Parody?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Patriots be like... "What Parody?" Something my new phone changed parity too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Something my new phone changed parity too.. Auto correct can be your worst enema! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It may be a league of stars but draft position means NOTHING once you get the call A late round undersized DT like Kyle Williams can outplay a 1rd pick like John Mccargo and go on to a storied career Overlooked Fred Jackson can eventually get that call because his shear will , determination and talent could not be denied Over 20% of the league is UDFAs and that shows the parity of the league The Bills own Robert Foster is on Pace to become a breakout star and his chemistry with allen should be phenomenal for years And his Bama teammate and our own Bill Levi Wallace also fits that mold He WALKED ON at Bama and became a starter by his SR season... That is almost unheard of for a skill position player at a school like Bama Finding the diamonds in the rough consistently can turn around a team fast as you get a good player at a bargain cost and save salary for other positions As of now I do have faith in this regimes ability to find and coach under the radar players which is a great sign Few more months ... Go Bills It’s a pretty cool track record in the very recent background. I pray the trend continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s a pretty cool track record in the very recent background. I pray the trend continues. McDermott also had a hand in developing late round pick Josh Norman into an all pro... Norman hasn't been the same without McDermott either He also helped develop 7th round pick captain munerlyn into a good slot corner McD can coach up the secondary with the best of them and seems to have a knack for under the radar guys Edited June 23, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: McDermott also had a hand in developing late round pick Josh Norman into an all pro... Norman hasn't been the same without McDermott either He also helped develop 7th round pick captain munerlyn into a good slot corner McD can coach up the secondary with the best of them and seems to have a knack for under the radar guys McD does have an eye for DBs; good point since that was our strongest unit last year. I just hope he was right about Edmunds at MLB. It could set the defense back a bit if that was the wrong call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: McD can coach up the secondary with the best of them and seems to have a knack for under the radar guys Yeah, but everything else is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: McD does have an eye for DBs; good point since that was our strongest unit last year. I just hope he was right about Edmunds at MLB. It could set the defense back a bit if that was the wrong call. I hope he’s a fit there, but he’s such a young stud that he’ll be crazy good wherever he ends up. They used him on a lot of pressure up the middle last year, and I like that idea. He’s a monster! And that’s the quickest way to get pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100DollarBills Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, Augie said: Auto correct can be your worst enema! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: I hope he’s a fit there, but he’s such a young stud that he’ll be crazy good wherever he ends up. They used him on a lot of pressure up the middle last year, and I like that idea. He’s a monster! And that’s the quickest way to get pressure. I think we're all pulling for Edmunds. Just very young coming into the NFL (which looked to be too fast for him initially) and needs to add a few pounds of muscle to fill out his frame. If he doesn't work out at MLB, he should be a great OLB since he seemed to excel at covering slot WRs and TEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, 100DollarBills said: It’s a long and scary story, but I think I’ve met her. I mean, I didn’t get a good look, but.......? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: McD does have an eye for DBs; good point since that was our strongest unit last year. I just hope he was right about Edmunds at MLB. It could set the defense back a bit if that was the wrong call. Edmunds was pretty good last year, especially in the final few games of the season. I don't think there's any reason to believe he isn't the answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 These are all "Feel Good" stories...However, until you have a franchise QB all this does not matter. I love the NFL because it is a great challenging game made of intriguing matchups on every play. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Augie said: Auto correct can be your worst enema! Say Jones agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 To the point about 20% of the NFL being UDFAs; counting 53 man roster and PS,the league needs app. 2000 players in a season. Rosters have gotten larger over the years....the draft has shrunk,most recently, from 12 to 7 rounds.So,there is a need for UDFAs ,purely from a numbers perspective. I dont necessarily view that as a function of parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iinii Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Patriots be like... "What Parody?" Is your phone Freudian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 High Def TV, along with FF, has done more for watching the NFL, than the game itself. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 11 hours ago, MJS said: Edmunds was pretty good last year, especially in the final few games of the season. I don't think there's any reason to believe he isn't the answer. Nah he was very inconsistent. All year. Even within games. There is lots of reason for optimism he made a big jump year 1 to year 2 in college and his problems are not making the incredible plays they are making the routine ones. If he can do that his potential remains elite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: It may be a league of stars but draft position means NOTHING once you get the call A late round undersized DT like Kyle Williams can outplay a 1rd pick like John Mccargo and go on to a storied career Overlooked Fred Jackson can eventually get that call because his shear will , determination and talent could not be denied Over 20% of the league is UDFAs and that shows the parity of the league The Bills own Robert Foster is on Pace to become a breakout star and his chemistry with allen should be phenomenal for years And his Bama teammate and our own Bill Levi Wallace also fits that mold He WALKED ON at Bama and became a starter by his SR season... That is almost unheard of for a skill position player at a school like Bama Finding the diamonds in the rough consistently can turn around a team fast as you get a good player at a bargain cost and save salary for other positions As of now I do have faith in this regimes ability to find and coach under the radar players which is a great sign Few more months ... Go Bills I can understand Robert Foster going undrafted , BUT L Wallace ??? I still don’t get it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: McD does have an eye for DBs; good point since that was our strongest unit last year. I just hope he was right about Edmunds at MLB. It could set the defense back a bit if that was the wrong call. I’m of the group who thinks Edmunds is a better fit for the outside opposite Milano but I also trust McD to know more than us and I’m more than sure that if he sees him as a better fit for the outside, he wouldn’t hesitate to put him there if that time comes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 ....guess it's uncanny to me how this club finds success in the 5th round starting with Meatball.......Milano, 2018 picks Neal & Teller, and now the Joseph kid in 2019....hell trade all of our spots for 5th round slots and we won't have to tune in until Saturday....decreases your beer budget by 47% for Draft Weekend..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 When a player is a high draft pick, the odds that he will gain success in the NFL are naturally higher than if you are a UDFA, but if you find your way on to a team, by any means, your odds for eventual success are not zero. The continued success of players like Levi Wallace and Robert Foster prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 ...NOT a homer...get a SEVERE rash from "drinkin' kool-aid"......and could give a rat's azz about rebuttals from the KNOWN "TBD Negative Nellies"......this McBeane guy seems to leave NO stone unturned when searching for talent.....and...if he finds somebody who may be of interest, he has NO problem showing him the door as fast as he entered it....he's shoppin' 24/7/365 to make this club better.....Whaley was somewhat similar, but he was being directed versus McBeane being THE "director("yes McDermott has input"), a more bonafide in "full charge GM"....entering year 57 (yup, older than dirt) following this club, I conservatively think ('eff irrational exuberance) that we are in the best position today since "the drought" and could even challenge the Polian years....stay tuned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Nah he was very inconsistent. All year. Even within games. There is lots of reason for optimism he made a big jump year 1 to year 2 in college and his problems are not making the incredible plays they are making the routine ones. If he can do that his potential remains elite. I disagree. He was as good as you can expect for a rookie MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: When a player is a high draft pick, the odds that he will gain success in the NFL are naturally higher than if you are a UDFA, but if you find your way on to a team, by any means, your odds for eventual success are not zero. The continued success of players like Levi Wallace and Robert Foster prove that. High draft picks have better odds at finding success because , they were drafted high because they showed the ability to produce and they get more opportunities than UDFAs But once that UDFA sticks they have just as much chance as being good as any other player and at a bargain cost There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of UDFAs with great stories from Kurt Warner to Robey Coleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: High draft picks have better odds at finding success because , they were drafted high because they showed the ability to produce and they get more opportunities than UDFAs But once that UDFA sticks they have just as much chance as being good as any other player and at a bargain cost There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of UDFAs with great stories from Kurt Warner to Robey Coleman I don't disagree with any of that. NFL teams pay their scouts to figure out who has the best odds of producing an a professional level. Unless they're completely incompetent ,(which I don't buy for a second) they will have a handle on players whose combination of physical talent and mental aptitude give them the best odds for success. As you say, when a prospect is picked high in the draft, he's given every opportunity to prove the scouts right. However, scouts can't know all the intangibles about a player. Some players who don't quite measure up in the ways that scouts can observe have an inner drive sometimes that enables them to overcome the shortcomings that everybody thought they had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Nah he was very inconsistent. All year. Even within games. There is lots of reason for optimism he made a big jump year 1 to year 2 in college and his problems are not making the incredible plays they are making the routine ones. If he can do that his potential remains elite. Agree. He was NOT good in the Pats game and he was excellent against the Dolphins. Playing well in the finale isn't "steady improvement" even if it feels that way. Very inconsistent. I have several question marks about whether experience will translate into the type of instinct required to excel at MLB. I have zero doubt he'd be an All-Pro OLB. Time will tell with TE. Edited June 23, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Nah he was very inconsistent. All year. Even within games. There is lots of reason for optimism he made a big jump year 1 to year 2 in college and his problems are not making the incredible plays they are making the routine ones. If he can do that his potential remains elite. He was absolutely brutal against New England in week 16, IMO. He knocked down a pass to start the game as I recall.......a splashy play which he made a number of during the season...........but then he and Star proceeded to be utterly trampled by the Pats. If you want to find out what you are doing wrong..........play the Patriots........they will find it and show the rest of the league. I am still not sold that he's the second coming of Brian Urlacher because most of the guys who reach that level are really instinctive and good right away and Edmunds was not............but if he ends up outside or as an edge player I still think he could be tremendous there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 ‘Why I love the NFL’ Old coaches never die. They just get recycled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: ‘Why I love the NFL’ Old coaches never die. They just get recycled. Tell that to chan gailey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 hours ago, MJS said: I disagree. He was as good as you can expect for a rookie MLB. I think maybe it can be both. I’m hopeful. I know this, he can play somewhere and make a difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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