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Kevin Johnson making strong push for #2 CB

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5 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Making a push for a starting role...in June? 

 

 

Camp cannot start soon enough. 

 

 

 

My thoughts also. Glad to hear he is doing well, but I'm ready to see how it will play out when the pads get on and the real deal begins. Very eager for camp to begin also. Many different areas that I'm interested in seeing when it starts. Going to be good camp battles across the board.

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5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Our cornerbacks and secondary looks to be second to none. Teams may have a better 1-2 punch at corner but I’ll take our entire unit over anyone’s 

 

whens the last time you you could say that about a Bills unit league wide?

 

 

Let’s hope the D-line adds QB sacks, in addition to the pressures, to the situation.  Add to that some offensive firepower so opposing teams are playing from behind.  If these conditions materialize this D might just be scary good.

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4 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

He's a 26 yr old that was picked 16th in the draft only four years ago.

 

If he's healthy - huge if - he's going to push for a job. The guy is going to be hungry.

 

Imagine if he’s one of these guys that’s perfect in this system ? 

 

Hyde Poyer were both marginal starters on their old teams. 

 

Ej gains did his best work in the McDermott defense too. 

 

I maintain violent optimism  in this teams secondary 

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I know EJ Gaines has had a tough time staying on the field the last three years with injuries, but he’s a beast when he is. If I recall, the Bills were 8-3 in games he started in their playoff year in ‘17 and looked like one of the best players on the defensive side of the field. Excited to see him back and would be surprised if he ends up the #2. He is still only 27. 

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4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Seriously? You sound like the Bills secondary hasn't been any good the last two seasons?

Solid in the backfield the past few years and looks even better now

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3 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said:

I know EJ Gaines has had a tough time staying on the field the last three years with injuries, but he’s a beast when he is. If I recall, the Bills were 8-3 in games he started in their playoff year in ‘17 and looked like one of the best players on the defensive side of the field. Excited to see him back and would be surprised if he ends up the #2. He is still only 27. 

 

Like with Johnson, on a 1-year deal and injury prone.

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To be fair, both injury-prone” and “pending free agent” were true in 2017 when they acquired him from the Rams and started him anyway. 

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29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

2018 OTA - Vontae Davis is likely to be the starting CB opposite White

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/7-observations-from-2018-buffalo-bills-otas-week-one

 

We would all be better off if reporters took a long vacation between the draft and training camp.

Well, Vontae Davis was the starting CB opposite Tre White  -  for a half.

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16 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said:

To be fair, both injury-prone” and “pending free agent” were true in 2017 when they acquired him from the Rams and started him anyway. 

 

There weren't acceptable, if not better, options back then.  There are now.

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Doesn't it feel great that the Bills have actually collected enough quality depth at corner so that injury replacements can be expected to perform well?  Kevin Johnson is an excellent player and will do a good job when given the opportunity.  I am concerned that another concussion could be the end of his career.  

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7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

Hes just gotta stay healthy.  Talent was always there.  By the way Rob Quinn?  Grain of salt

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6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

But that unit was very one-dimensional: sacks. They were poor against the pass and run.

Poor against the pass? What?

 

They had their struggles against the run at times, but poor? Not even close. 

 

That defense was ferocious at times. They kicked the ***** out of opposing teams. Still remember those two Jets games that year. Vick took an ass kicking. 

 

McDermotts defense was solid last year but I'd take that 2014 defense 7 days out of the week over last years.

 

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1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

Well, Vontae Davis was the starting CB opposite Tre White  -  for a half.

Technically though, he was inactive for week 1 so he didn’t start opposite him until week 2. For a half. I think it was Patrick Gaines who started week 1. He was turrible.

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6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

But that unit was very one-dimensional: sacks. They were poor against the pass and run.

This is horribly inaccurate. 

 

That defense was 4th in points against, and 4th in total yds allowed. Not to mention 3rd in takeaways and 1st in 3rd down %. 

 

Good lord dude. 

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7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Good call although I’d rather have the super bowl winning Broncos DL if you include Von Miller and Demarcus Ware as DL considering all they really do is rush the QB.  Ware was near the end but he still dominated at times that year, Including the playoffs.  5 tackles and 2 sacks in the SB.  Id take Miller and Ware over Mario and Jerry. Going inside Kyle and Dareus vs Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson and Sylvester Williams.  I might give our boys the advantage.

 

When choosing between the two units it’s hard not to the Denver DL was the best unit on the championship team. It was that Pass rush and Cover Guys that won the SB, not Peyton.  One DL will be remembered in the history of football while the other will be remembered by Bills fans.

The bills 2014 unit allowed less ppg, had more sacks, more takeaways and a better 3rd down % than the 2015 broncos unit. Basically the only advantage that goes Denver would be total yds. 

 

That 2014 bills defense is one of the more underrated units in the last decade or so. It was easily a championship caliber defense. 

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11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

The bills 2014 unit allowed less ppg, had more sacks, more takeaways and a better 3rd down % than the 2015 broncos unit. Basically the only advantage that goes Denver would be total yds. 

 

That 2014 bills defense is one of the more underrated units in the last decade or so. It was easily a championship caliber defense. 

And completely destroyed by Rex in 2 seasons

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8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Our cornerbacks and secondary looks to be second to none. Teams may have a better 1-2 punch at corner but I’ll take our entire unit over anyone’s 

 

whens the last time you you could say that about a Bills unit league wide?

 

Someone mentioned dline

 

id venture more than a few years we were pretty highly ranked at cb 

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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

The bills 2014 unit allowed less ppg, had more sacks, more takeaways and a better 3rd down % than the 2015 broncos unit. Basically the only advantage that goes Denver would be total yds. 

 

That 2014 bills defense is one of the more underrated units in the last decade or so. It was easily a championship caliber defense. 

Total yards and championships.  It IS a stat.  The ONLY stat that matters to be quite frank. But be happy with the stats that no one will remember except a few Bill fans 

 

i remember how our season ended.  Giving up 26 points and 130 rushing yards to the lowly raiders 

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10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Our cornerbacks and secondary looks to be second to none. Teams may have a better 1-2 punch at corner but I’ll take our entire unit over anyone’s 

 

whens the last time you you could say that about a Bills unit league wide?

 

2014 dline...  

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Total yards and championships.  It IS a stat.  The ONLY stat that matters to be quite frank. But be happy with the stats that no one will remember except a few Bill fans 

 

i remember how our season ended.  Giving up 26 points and 130 rushing yards to the lowly raiders 

 

Holding Aaron Rodgers and Manning in back to back weeks without any touchdowns.

 

A 130 effin yards and 26 points? Saint dog and that douche should have done something but Fred was the only one who cared on that side of the ball. 

 

Dareus also was hurt early in his best year of his career.

 

If you'd like to actually discuss the game I'd be more than happy. Go Google some more crap.

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1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Total yards and championships.  It IS a stat.  The ONLY stat that matters to be quite frank. But be happy with the stats that no one will remember except a few Bill fans 

 

i remember how our season ended.  Giving up 26 points and 130 rushing yards to the lowly raiders 

 

You keep moving the goal posts because your point is stupid.

2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

This is horribly inaccurate. 

 

That defense was 4th in points against, and 4th in total yds allowed. Not to mention 3rd in takeaways and 1st in 3rd down %. 

 

Good lord dude. 

 

Whaley built it. Nothing good happened between Kelly and McDermott to some clowns.

4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

2018 OTA - Vontae Davis is likely to be the starting CB opposite White

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/7-observations-from-2018-buffalo-bills-otas-week-one

 

We would all be better off if reporters took a long vacation between the draft and training camp.

 

I think you should take a vacation.

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10 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Making a push for a starting role...in June? 

 

 

Camp cannot start soon enough. 

 

 

 

The only difference here is that we’re not talking about an undrafted rookie , but a former 1st round pick who we all know can play , Now can he stay healthy? Will see , but if he can and I’m Levi Wallace I would be worried 

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40 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You keep moving the goal posts because your point is stupid.

 

Whaley built it. Nothing good happened between Kelly and McDermott to some clowns.

 

I think you should take a vacation.

What point am I making?

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5 hours ago, NewEra said:

What point am I making?

I don’t really know. I think it’s a lame one whatever it is though...  Production-wise the bills 2014 d was right on par with that broncos d. Actually better in most key stats. I do think the broncos unit was a bit more high octane with a better ability to totally put the clamps on somebody... But we never got to see the bills unit in the playoffs due to them be a lesser TEAM. I have no clue how somebody could sit here and say that wasn’t an elite level unit. Seems you are ripping on the couple bills fans that remember when maybe you should be educating yourself so you remember as well instead of cherry picking games to prove a sub-par point. 

 

1991 eagles defense was one of the best ever, talent-wise and numbers-wise and didn’t even make the postseason. I’m sure you’ll shoot that one down with some lame points about championships too..... team game, man. 

 

 

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Total yards and championships.  It IS a stat.  The ONLY stat that matters to be quite frank. But be happy with the stats that no one will remember except a few Bill fans 

 

i remember how our season ended.  Giving up 26 points and 130 rushing yards to the lowly raiders 

This honestly just looks like I’m trying to discuss something with some bull-headed fan that’s not gonna use any sort of real discussion or reason in the matter just “CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! RABBLE RABBLE”

 

How about take 5 minutes to educate yourself. Or maybe you already have and just don’t care “because championships”. In which case that’s just odd to me... The “few bills fans” are actually the ones that have a bit of knowledge on the matter. Why make that sound like a bad thing? it’s a team game and that the bills defense, statistically, was comparable and honestly was on a talent level as well. Not quite as good. But comparable for sure. 

 

The most ignorant debates are the ones that start or end with “.... uhhhh because championships!!” 

 

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