Tiberius Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Oh dear oh dear... CNN reports, “Lawyers for former national security adviser John Bolton have had talks with the three House committees leading the impeachment inquiry about a possible deposition, according to a source familiar. If he does give a deposition, Bolton would join a handful of current and former Trump administration members who have been interviewed this month as part of the Democratic-led inquiry into President Donald Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.” 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What are you a Constitutional scholar now? But let's all take Tom's word for it. He's an idiot I know from the internet. ? But... I guess if we have to trust somebody. Why not the one's with some kind of credentials. It's a start: "Senator Graham's resolution has absolutely no substance," ~Laurence Tribe, Carl M. Loeb University Professor and professor of constitutional law at Harvard.? "I looked at it carefully to see if any of its process complaints made sense historically, legally, or morally. I could find nothing in it worthy of being taken seriously. "And the fact that it focuses entirely on phony objections to a completely fair and traditional process speaks volumes about how little the Republican senators have to say in defense of what the president has done in shaking down a vulnerable ally for his own personal benefit." ~Laurence Tribe, Carl M. Loeb University Professor and professor of constitutional law at Harvard. "And everyone knows that the information being gathered will be public in a matter of weeks anyway, when POTUS and his people will have ample opportunity to rebut." ~Frank Bowman, Floyd R. Gibson Missouri Endowed Professor of Law at the University of Missouri It’s a total joke. They are complaining about the supposed secrecy, next month with impeachment will be a “show trial.” Orwell would be proud of this crowd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Next month? They won't be ready until after Thanksgiving for the next phase per Schiff's own schedule. And by then, it'll be too late. Horowitz will have nuked their news cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Horowitz to the rescue!?! Yes!! But you guys guys will call the open proceeding a show trial totally forgetting you were complaining about “secrecy” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Horowitz is just an opening salvo. He has no power to indict, only to refer. And his investigation is limited to only the DOJ, and only to current DOJ employees. But we know as of yesterday he has referred multiple people for prosecution based on the Russia investigation. That's real bad news for the House dems. And it's what they've been trying to get in front of with this whole Ukraine business. They just shot their wad too early, and now will be gutted because of it. And they will have deserved every bit of it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: You could do the same research I did. Read the House rules of parliamentary procedure, tell me what the impeachment procedures are, and how they're being followed. They don't think that way. Congress is just an advocacy group to them, with no real power. They're not capable of understanding that anyone could perceive a House Democrat would be a threat to Trump...only another executive candidate could threaten him. That's why they're pursuing a coup, and not exercising true checks and balances. Only another executive can challenge his power. Not only that but bumping off the frontrunner presumably Warren opens a door for Hillary to walk through with minimal effort. Bumping off a House member does not do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: John Bolton, liberal hero... Well, until this too blows up in their dipschiff faces... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 The only thing the Republicans want to keep secret is redacted Mueller Report information: "(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings." The House Judiciary Committee had gone to court seeking information in the Mueller report that is redacted because it came from secret grand jury proceedings." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: The only thing the Republicans want to keep secret is redacted Mueller Report information: "(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings." The House Judiciary Committee had gone to court seeking information in the Mueller report that is redacted because it came from secret grand jury proceedings." What do those grand jury transcripts have to do with an impeachment inquiry centering around a phone call to a Ukrainian President in August 2019? Also, isn’t the entire, unredacted Mueller Report in a secure room in Congress waiting to be reviewed by any Rep who wants to read it? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: The only thing the Republicans want to keep secret is redacted Mueller Report information: "(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings." The House Judiciary Committee had gone to court seeking information in the Mueller report that is redacted because it came from secret grand jury proceedings." The law says the grand jury testimony is secret. Not the Republicans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, snafu said: What do those grand jury transcripts have to do with an impeachment inquiry centering around a phone call to a Ukrainian President in August 2019? Also, isn’t the entire, unredacted Mueller Report in a secure room in Congress waiting to be reviewed by any Rep who wants to read it? Obviously nothing you simpleton... Now go plunge that toilet. LoL... ? 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: The law says the grand jury testimony is secret. Not the Republicans. Look we have another idiot here. And the judge says its going to be released. Deal with it. DC Tom says: "Stop!" Does the law say the grand jury testimony is to remain secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Obviously nothing you simpleton... Now go plunge that toilet. LoL... ? Look we have another idiot here. And the judge says its going to be released. Deal with it. DC Tom says: "Stop!" Does the law say the grand jury testimony is to remain secret. Ever wonder what my avatar is reaching for? It’s the stupid ***** you post. Youre the one “making it flow backwards”. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, snafu said: Ever wonder what my avatar is reaching for? It’s the stupid ***** you post. Youre the one “making it flow backwards”. Nice! I appreciate that! LoL... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 LOL Oh, makes more sense with what he tweeted first (still funny though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: LOL Oh, makes more sense with what he tweeted first (still funny though) Idiot! Get back in there at once and SUE, SUE, SUE! Oh... I mean sell Mortimer, sell, SELL it to the Deplorables Wilson! Edited October 26, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Obviously nothing you simpleton... Now go plunge that toilet. LoL... ? Look we have another idiot here. And the judge says its going to be released. Deal with it. Judge can't override federal criminal procedure and 28 USC 1867. Again, do your research. It's not me saying it. The law says it. The courts can't order a person to do an illegal thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Judge can't override federal criminal procedure and 28 USC 1867. Again, do your research. It's not me saying it. The law says it. The courts can't order a person to do an illegal thing. Anyway... Weren't you the one who wasn't crazy about Trump since the start? Saying that maybe the good of all this (him winning) was that Congress may actually do their job and pull the Executive Branch back from an authoritarian course. Did you change your mind? Are you all in on the authoritarian trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1188046504663158785 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1188050839086256128 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 9 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Anyway... Weren't you the one who wasn't crazy about Trump since the start? Saying that maybe the good of all this (him winning) was that Congress may actually do their job and pull the Executive Branch back from an authoritarian course. Did you change your mind? Are you all in on the authoritarian trend? What the Dems in the House are doing has nothing to do with checks and balances. It might if they made their inquiry an “open” event. They’re not open. The Legislature checking the Executive branch means not rubber stamping his legislative proposals, but modifying them after deliberation and proposing legislation which is a compromise. That’s the check that should have taken place. Congress complains that their power has waned, but they’ve abdicated a lot of it. They have an impeachment right, but that’s not really what is going on here. Schiff wants his inquiry to be to be like a grand jury proceeding. Who are the impartial jurors? They should be ALL of the representatives. Right now he’s acting more like a detective. Maybe that’s what he and Pelosi have in mind at this stage, but they’re too slick to communicate that properly. It leaves the rest of the country speculating about what’s going on and their motives. It leaves the media free to report selective leaks. It doesn’t allow anyone to come in and say “yeah, but here’s the reason why this is not an impeachable offense”. They’re doing it on purpose. I asked you yesterday: why the secrecy? Who are they trying to convince with these hearings? If Trump is so guilty then why not just vote now and impeach him — they have a majority. It is manipulation dressed up as checks and balances. This is a bizarro world civics lesson. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 They have shot their bolt through the lapdog media nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, snafu said: What the Dems in the House are doing has nothing to do with checks and balances. It might if they made their inquiry an “open” event. They’re not open. The Legislature checking the Executive branch means not rubber stamping his legislative proposals, but modifying them after deliberation and proposing legislation which is a compromise. That’s the check that should have taken place. Congress complains that their power has waned, but they’ve abdicated a lot of it. They have an impeachment right, but that’s not really what is going on here. Schiff wants his inquiry to be to be like a grand jury proceeding. Who are the impartial jurors? They should be ALL of the representatives. Right now he’s acting more like a detective. Maybe that’s what he and Pelosi have in mind at this stage, but they’re too slick to communicate that properly. It leaves the rest of the country speculating about what’s going on and their motives. It leaves the media free to report selective leaks. It doesn’t allow anyone to come in and say “yeah, but here’s the reason why this is not an impeachable offense”. They’re doing it on purpose. I asked you yesterday: why the secrecy? Who are they trying to convince with these hearings? If Trump is so guilty then why not just vote now and impeach him — they have a majority. It is manipulation dressed up as checks and balances. This is a bizarro world civics lesson. It is the non-impeachment, impeachment. Instead of having these secret meetings designed to kill by a thousand little cuts in the Judicial Committee they are holding them in the Intelligence Committee. Why, you ask? Adam Schiff is the more experienced and accomplished liar. He is capable of looking you in the face and claiming something so preposterous that one would have to think it was true. Jerry Nadler**** on the other hand, has just as much experience lying through his teeth but people are too distracted by his Jabba the Hutt appearance and find him repulsive rather than believable. This is all about secrecy but only so that statements and lies favorable to the dems can be selectively leaked. It is a farce, but only one in a long line of attempts to invalidate the 2016 elections. **** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 The rot runs deep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Gary still can't figure out what's happening. Why, of all people, they're targeting Pompeo and Barr... The two men who have been traveling the world exposing SpyGate. Because Gary's brain has been broken by Trump. And it's hilarious. "THIS TIME WE GOT HIM!" Get the ***** out of here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Gary still can't figure out what's happening. Why, of all people, they're targeting Pompeo and Barr... The two men who have been traveling the world exposing SpyGate. Because Gary's brain has been broken by Trump. And it's hilarious. "THIS TIME WE GOT HIM!" Get the ***** out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Gary still can't figure out what's happening. Why, of all people, they're targeting Pompeo and Barr... The two men who have been traveling the world exposing SpyGate. Because Gary's brain has been broken by Trump. And it's hilarious. "THIS TIME WE GOT HIM!" Get the ***** out of here. ...cut him some slack....damaged gray matter does NOT regenerate....poor soul.......nobody would stoop to donor transplant either......it's a conundrum............. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 If Trump did nothing wrong... Why not testify? https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/10/26/20933547/trump-impeachment-inquiry-testimonies-constitutional-immunity Oh yeah... Is above everybody... Never has to answer since he's "immune." Maybe that's why the crook wanted to be POTUS. Gain immunity from all the dirty dealings. They grant... It will just turn the Presidency into the a haven like the Catholic Church was for pedos... Have your people testify. Clear yourself. Gotta go... I hear the Deep State Kooks & Hollywood script writers coming down the hall. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 GO BILLS I CANNOT *****IN WAIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...cut him some slack....damaged gray matter does NOT regenerate....poor soul.......nobody would stoop to donor transplant either......it's a conundrum............. C'mon, don't give up so easily. We could team him up with HAHA Gator and maybe do a sequel to Dumb & Dumber. When life gives you lemons...………... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: If Trump did nothing wrong... Why not testify? https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/10/26/20933547/trump-impeachment-inquiry-testimonies-constitutional-immunity Oh yeah... Is above everybody... Never has to answer since he's "immune." Maybe that's why the crook wanted to be POTUS. Gain immunity from all the dirty dealings. They grant... It will just turn the Presidency into the a haven like the Catholic Church was for pedos... Have your people testify. Clear yourself. Gotta go... I hear the Deep State Kooks & Hollywood script writers coming down the hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 14 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Anyway... Weren't you the one who wasn't crazy about Trump since the start? Saying that maybe the good of all this (him winning) was that Congress may actually do their job and pull the Executive Branch back from an authoritarian course. Did you change your mind? Are you all in on the authoritarian trend? No, I didn't change my mind. I've always been about the rule of law over the rule of men. And we're still not seeing it. My biggest complaint is still what it's always been: just because you don't like the person in office, it doesn't give you the right to make it up as you go along. The district court does not get to overturn the laws and regulations that keep grand jury deliberations secret. Any more than Trump gets to decide that permanent legal residents of the US can be banned from legal entry. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1188174447259328514 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: If Trump did nothing wrong... Why not testify? they will ask 500 questions that are misleading without explanation or nuance to mitigate if you said a meeting happened in 2013 on a Wednesday, but it was a Thursday!!, that’s leaked to the press as another count of perjury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 WHY NOT? THE CONSTITUTION IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD CHANGE AND GROW WITH THE TIMES . . . WSJ op-ed idea: A failed impeachment attempt should mean the president is eligible for a third term. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, B-Man said: WHY NOT? THE CONSTITUTION IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD CHANGE AND GROW WITH THE TIMES . . . WSJ op-ed idea: A failed impeachment attempt should mean the president is eligible for a third term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 UNEXPECTEDLY: Meanwhile, in the Heartland, Impeachment Isn’t Very Popular. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: UNEXPECTEDLY: Meanwhile, in the Heartland, Impeachment Isn’t Very Popular. . Because they're uneducated, unsophisticated kulaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: Because they're uneducated, unsophisticated kulaks. IOW, deplorables. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 this week Schiff: 1) prank calls a neighbor 2) returns a pair of jeans 3) tries a Buffalo Wing for the first time 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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