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Could Ed Oliver play DE

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32 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Why would you take a guy that excels at rushing up the middle and move him?

Everybody wants to be the next John (OJ as WR) Rauch?

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We just drafted a kid in the top 10 to be our stud at tackle and immediately we want to move him outside to learn a new position? What the f*** goes on?! 🤦‍♂️🤪

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3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not sure why we’d mess with our prized rookie.  Let Oliver play where he projects best.  And the almost universal consensus is his best position is 3 Tech DT.  

 

This.  Why is it that so many fans seem to think that moving high first round draft picks to other positions, especially before they've even seen real NFL action, is in any way desirable?  If these guys can't play the positions they were drafted for all that well, then the team may decide to try them elsewhere to see if they do better there, and sometimes it works, but usually it just delays the inevitable conclusion that the team drafted a bust.   If a team has a pick in the top ten, that pick ought to be used on "made" player -- one who can be expected to come in and start as a rookie at that position -- not one who is some kind of project who needs to learn a new position.

 

The Bills made this mistake when they drafted Mike William #4 in 2002 and tried to make him into a LT when he'd been a RT in college.  In that era, LTs and RTs had much more defined roles, and Williams simply didn't have the skill set to be a LT.   Playing at RT as a rookie, he did well enough but moving him to the left side where he struggled badly helped derail his career. 

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4 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I agree with you.  Given his salary, I doubt that the Bills are in the market for Gerald McCoy.  I envision the D-line in passing situations being Hughes, Oliver, Lawson at d-tackle, and either Murphy or Alexander at D-end.  The price to acquire and pay McCoy is probably too high when there may be more pressing needs.  I was in Indianapolis last week and there is talk there that the Colts may have an interest and a need for McCoy.  They also have the cap space to take him.  If he is made available, it could develop into competing bids which would drive up the cost to get him.  I don't see Beane being interested in that scenario.

i've mentioned this as well and the added bonus is rushing lorax along with this. i think it will be very effective and even downright scary. hopefully murphy has a major comeback year.

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I say yes he can....which is what made him such a valuable player in this draft.

 

You can move him around and disguise your defenses/match up against offenses

 

but...I still say that his prime position is the 3 tech....where he literally can get past Offensive Linemen before they can get out of their stances

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5 hours ago, GreggTX said:

That would not be wise. He doesn't have sufficient length toplay DE. He might make some plays there or at NT, but he'd be much more effective as a 3-gap DT.

3 technique 

 

a 3 technique plays 1 gap

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2 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Is he available?

As long as the ‘twin devils of deception’ (Whaley and Brandon) aren’t around to counsel the Pegulas, I would say ‘no’.  I fervently hope he isn’t doing anything more than acting as unpaid advisor to the Gase administration.  😁

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Physically he's capable of playing any position on the defense other than CB.

 

Moving him to the outside on a regular basis would probably be unwise - better to put him where he's most effective - but you could put him out there in certain rotation packages or if injuries necessitated it.

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3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Hes more natural at safety 

If it was still the Ryan era, he might have to do both.  Those ten man stunt formations on D can tax a team’s mettle!

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21 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

Physically he's capable of playing any position on the defense other than CB.

 

Moving him to the outside on a regular basis would probably be unwise - better to put him where he's most effective - but you could put him out there in certain rotation packages or if injuries necessitated it.

 

This is sort of insane right? 

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7 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not sure why we’d mess with our prized rookie.  Let Oliver play where he projects best.  And the almost universal consensus is his best position is 3 Tech DT.  

 

Exactly.  Penetration on the interior is what disrupts guys like Brady and the Younger Manning who we play this year.  I live in Tampa, and although love McCoy, he is declined nag at a huge 11 mil salary.

I’d rather for the right price make a solid offer at Clowney.  I doubt it will happen, but would be a better choice if you’re goal is to add to the D Line.

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He can, but he's not going to do it full time.  His versatility will enable the Bills defense to be very disruptive, but I just don't see Buffalo making a position switch like that.  What I can see is Shaq Lawson joining him on the interior on obvious passing downs.

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7 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Waiting for the move him to CB post.

 

He does appear right size to play long snapper; we could save the salary and one position slot if he could do that. :D

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Oliver might be good as a 3-4 DE but in a 4-3 he probably wouldn't have the elite speed needed to work off the edge. Ed is a 287 pound dude who runs a 4.7 40. That's elite for a DT but that's fairly average speed for a DE. I could see the Bills shifting Ed around esp on goal line and short yardage packages to really hold the edge without giving up speed. But he is going to be rushing the passer from the intro 85% or more of the time. 

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9 hours ago, chris heff said:

Why would you take a guy that excels at rushing up the middle and move him? Rushing up the middle is the shortest distance to the QB.

Absolutely...no doubt we need a good DE.

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10 hours ago, wppete said:

Yes he can play DE and play MLB. He is a freak! 

 

Some scouts wondered whether Oliver was better suited to play LB given his smaller size but insane athletic ability

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13 hours ago, richardb1952 said:

I am not an expert in this at all, but I see that Gerald McCoy might be available, and if so, would it be possible to move Oliver to 

DE sometimes and have a lineup consisting of Oliver, Totulelei, McCoy, Hughes.  Oliver is quick off the snap, I think he could hold his own on the edge and can certainly bring the pressure.  If such a lineup were possible, it would certainly add versatility to the lineup.  McCoy is interesting in that his salary for the next 3 years has no dead cap, he's still highly productive and would definitely make the DL better.  I think he could have been a target if the Bills didn't get Oliver.  If Oliver could play some DE, it might solve one of the areas of concern the FO has concerning a pass rushing DE along with Hughes.  

 

In some sub packages maybe but not very frequently. The shortest distance to the QB is from DT. If we want to exploit the twitch and Bull Rush moves to the max, need him as a 3 Tech.

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