The Mueller Report. BREAKING NEWS: AG’s Summary Report Released. NO COLLUSION!

[oldmanfan]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

He has already reached his conclusions, no matter what we post.

Really?  I just said I'd have no problem investigating Comey, Clinton, etc. 

 

This side of the board is comical; it's all of you that have your minds made up about everything and then comically claim it's others that are like that.  I come over here sometimes just for amusement.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's a dodge of the issue -- like your dodging of my response in the Barr thread.

 

If you buy Mueller's premise that he was prohibited from charging Trump, he could have charged anyone else, including Don Jr. But he didn't. Because there was no obstruction case they could make against anyone -- including Trump. 

 

(No case that could be made which would stand up in court. The court of public opinion is a different matter)

 

I'm not dodging.

 

I'm ignoring going down the rabbit hole over here.

 

For example.  I'm going to respond to your post by saying something very simple and then choosing not to respond to the inevitably long-winded response dancing around the actual issue simply because I'm not going down that rabbit hole.

 

My response to the bold, very simply, is that you're wrong.  Mueller pretty overtly stated--in both the report itself and his statement today--that the underlying reason he didn't bring obstruction charges against Trump was because it's DOJ policy not to indict a sitting President.

[Bray Wyatt]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Well I disagree with that premise.  The Russians interfered with our election, there is no question about that.  And his campaign had contacts with folks in Riussia.  So that has to be examined.  And to be fair and open, look at the other side as well if such data exists.

 

It  was examined that was the whole point of the report

Edited May 29, 2019 by Bray Wyatt

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Well I disagree with that premise.  

 

If you disagree with the need for justification/predicate than you're admitting you do not understand or respect how our system of justice is set up. 

 

Just now, oldmanfan said:

 The Russians interfered with our election, there is no question about that.  

 

No one questions that or denies it. 

 

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

 And his campaign had contacts with folks in Riussia.

 

Per Mueller, the Russians did not even know how to contact Trump after he won. That theory is just incorrect. 

 

The "Russian contacts" were, as the 1000s of pages in the other threads lay out, entrapment attempts by the FBI/CIA/DOJ to justify their already started (and illegal) investigation.

 

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So that has to be examined.  

 

Mueller did. And found there was no collusion/conspiracy at all. It never happened. It was not real. 

 

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And to be fair and open, look at the other side as well if such data exists.

 

It does exist. In droves. And is happening now.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, TtownBillsFan said:

That's not how it works...

That's what Deranged said.  I think there was evidence of a crime, so you investigate.  And more to the point, investigations occur precisely to determine if a crime occurred. 

 

So for those of you that think Clinton, Comey, Brennan, et al should be investigated, assuming there is evidence of a crime I'm all for investigation.  The argument is what constitutes evidence.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'm not dodging.

 

I took the time to write up a lengthy response to spark a conversation. You've ignored it entirely. 

That's dodging. 

[B-Man]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Really?  I just said I'd have no problem investigating Comey, Clinton, etc. 

 

This side of the board is comical; it's all of you that have your minds made up about everything and then comically claim it's others that are like that.  I come over here sometimes just for amusement.

 

 

 

And.......(as I posted earlier about another poster).............we get the always comical "view from the mountaintop".............................see DR

 

 

 

I only come over here to laugh at you folks.............................Hilarious still

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[oldmanfan]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

 

And.......(as I posted earlier about another poster).............we get the always comical "view from the mountaintop".............................see DR

 

 

 

I only come over here to laugh at you folks.............................Hilarious still

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You're amusing to be sure.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

 I think there was evidence of a crime, so you investigate.

 

What evidence of collusion/conspiracy was there? 

 

Do you believe Carter Page was a Russian spy? 

 

Do you believe Downer and G-Pop spoke randomly? 

 

Do you believe Halper/Misfud are Russian agents? Do you even know who those two names are and how they fit into this saga? 

 

I suggest you're underinformed on this issue.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

If you disagree with the need for justification/predicate than you're admitting you do not understand or respect how our system of justice is set up. 

 

 

No one questions that or denies it. 

 

 

Per Mueller, the Russians did not even know how to contact Trump after he won. That theory is just incorrect. 

 

The "Russian contacts" were, as the 1000s of pages in the other threads lay out, entrapment attempts by the FBI/CIA/DOJ to justify their already started (and illegal) investigation.

 

 

Mueller did. And found there was no collusion/conspiracy at all. It never happened. It was not real. 

 

 

It does exist. In droves. And is happening now.

They didn't know how to contact Trump after his victory?  Like the meeting with the foreign minister in the Oval?

[GG]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Investigate people without the basis of a crime. 

 

When did Greggy say there was no basis for a possible crime?

 

If you've been following these threads, you'd see that there are many avenues for possible crimes that have been committed with far greater evidence than what was alleged in Mueller's investigation. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

They didn't know how to contact Trump after his victory?  Like the meeting with the foreign minister in the Oval?

 

So now you're admitting you did not read the Mueller Report. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What evidence of collusion/conspiracy was there? 

 

Do you believe Carter Page was a Russian spy? 

 

Do you believe Downer and G-Pop spoke randomly? 

 

Do you believe Halper/Misfud are Russian agents? Do you even know who those two names are and how they fit into this saga? 

 

I suggest you're underinformed on this issue.

I think Page had contacts and that started the investigation.  I can read up on the others.  You think I'm underinformed, I think you have confirmation bias and look at obscure references to try and drag out things that fit your pre-conceived bias.

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So now you're admitting you did not read the Mueller Report. 

Summaries.  I should read it.  Good point.

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

Keep retweeting. 

 

you're a joke. you attempt to belittle tweets and fail to understand that many of them are links to source material with commentary on said link. because we would rather find alternate sources to the main stream propaganda that has an agenda, you ridicule it. you're the one who deserves the ridicule for being such an asshat. 

 

now run along and go play in the street somewhere.

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I think Page had contacts and that started the investigation.  

 

Page was working with the FBI to bust a Russian spy ring at the same time these alleged (and still unproven/provably false) contacts happened. 

 

Why would the FBI be working with Page as a source at the same time they think he's a spy for Russia to BUST Russians? 

 

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I can read up on the others.  

 

If you don't know who Joseph Misfud is, then you are deeply uninformed on the important facts and nuances in this case. 

 

Halper I can give you a pass on, but it's the same result if you're clueless about these names or if this is the first you're hearing them said. 

 

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You think I'm underinformed, I think you have confirmation bias and look at obscure references to try and drag out things that fit your pre-conceived bias.

 

You've proven you'r underinformed. That's not a crime. That's something you can fix -- and should before you confidently weigh in with an opinion. 

 

My obscure refrences which led me to this conclusion are congressional testimonies from the people involved, FISC opinion memos discussing illegal spying ongoing in the DOJ/FBI since 2012, and over two years of on the ground research/interviews with people involved in this story -- including people like Page, G-Pop, and others. 

Edited May 29, 2019 by Deranged Rhino

[Joe Miner]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I think Page had contacts and that started the investigation.  I can read up on the others.  You think I'm underinformed, I think you have confirmation bias and look at obscure references to try and drag out things that fit your pre-conceived bias.

Summaries.  I should read it.  Good point.

 

[B-Man]

Smart take here:

 

ROGER SIMON: Bob Mueller Runs and Hides in Eight Minutes to Avoid Having to Answer One Key Question.

 

 

 

 

Any of our "occasional" visitors care to explain this take ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Summaries.  I should read it.  Good point.

 

for the record, this is a good discussion. I'm combative but it's not because I'm attacking you personally. I'm trying to get you to see that you don't really know this information as well as you need to before coming to a conclusive opinion. There's been SO MUCH disinformation spread on this matter by all sides. Unless you engage with the primary source material or put the time in to actually walk things out, you (or anyone) would be lost. 

 

That's their plan. Confuse you, and bury you in an avalanche of paper they know you'll never read. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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[McGee Return TD]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

My obscure refrences which led me to this conclusion are congressional testimonies from the people involved, FISC opinion memos discussing illegal spying ongoing in the DOJ/FBI since 2012, and over two years of on the ground research/interviews with people involved in this story -- including people like Page, G-Pop, and others. 

 

Make sure you give credit to Undercover Huber and Paul Sperry, too!

6 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you're a joke. you attempt to belittle tweets and fail to understand that many of them are links to source material with commentary on said link. because we would rather find alternate sources to the main stream propaganda that has an agenda, you ridicule it. you're the one who deserves the ridicule for being such an asshat. 

 

now run along and go play in the street somewhere.

 

Whine some more, whiney boy. 

[B-Man]

[McGee Return TD]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

LOL

 

Looks like the dweeb version of Sam Reinhart. 

[Foxx]

15 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

Make sure you give credit to Undercover Huber and Paul Sperry, too!

 

Whine some more, whiney boy. 

won't be long before you are ridiculed beyond your comfort zone and have to create another (in a long line of) sock puppet account(s).

 

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

geez but they had the best propaganda posters.... can we put Trump on it beside Stalin now?

 

 

 

Marx and Engels had facial hair to shame Kurt Russel.  

[transplantbillsfan]

45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I took the time to write up a lengthy response to spark a conversation. You've ignored it entirely. 

That's dodging. 

 

Now who's dodging? 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Now who's dodging? 

 

You are. 

 

Until you bother to respond to the lengthy points raised the last time you tried to do a hit and run. 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Now who's dodging? 

:sigh:

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Otherwise why would I or anyone bother taking the time to engage with you when you've proven you won't give the same courtesy back? 

[transplantbillsfan]

46 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I took the time to write up a lengthy response to spark a conversation. You've ignored it entirely. 

That's dodging. 

 

And also, I'm not here to converse about politics.  I'm on this message board to converse about the Bills.  I'll continue to pop in over here every once in a while to chime in about a few issues.

 

But talking politics with people of wildly differing and deeply rooted views is pointless.

 

Same goes for religion.

 

Same goes for climate change, for that matter.

 

It's a rabbit hole.

 

No point.

 

I read comments over here plenty.  I guess you could call me a lurker.  I just use a lot of restraint when responding to posts that I disagree with or that are just outright factually incorrect.  Because there's no point.

 

 

[njbuff]

How's the MSM gonna spin this to fit their hate-Trump narrative?

 

However they spin it.....................

 

the one thing we know for sure is that it will be predictable and parroted across the garbage MSM waves.

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And also, I'm not here to converse about politics.  I'm on this message board to converse about the Bills.  I'll continue to pop in over here every once in a while to chime in about a few issues.

 

But talking politics with people of wildly differing and deeply rooted views is pointless.

 

Same goes for religion.

 

Same goes for climate change, for that matter.

 

It's a rabbit hole.

 

No point.

 

I read comments over here plenty.  I guess you could call me a lurker.  I just use a lot of restraint when responding to posts that I disagree with or that are just outright factually incorrect.  Because there's no point.

 

 

 

Watch out for those cow farts.

 

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[Foxx]

okay, here is my take after watching the Mueller press conference...

 

i think this was an agreed upon resolution between the Donners and Mueller as an alternative to him testifying in public before congress. it actually served the Donner's purpose better than having him getting crossed by the Republicans on the Judiciary committee which quite possibly could have ruined the narrative they so desperately want to paint here. 

 

 

17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And also, I'm not here to converse about politics.  I'm on this message board to converse about the Bills.  I'll continue to pop in over here every once in a while to chime in about a few issues.

 

But talking politics with people of wildly differing and deeply rooted views is pointless.

 

Same goes for religion.

 

Same goes for climate change, for that matter.

 

It's a rabbit hole.

 

No point.

 

I read comments over here plenty.  I guess you could call me a lurker.  I just use a lot of restraint when responding to posts that I disagree with or that are just outright factually incorrect.  Because there's no point.

 

 

thanks for letting us know your not here to discuss politics. will keep that in mind for when you do your flyby's in the future.

you're not really this obtuse are you?????

Edited May 29, 2019 by Foxx

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1133780229896495104

 

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1133763865672601600

 

 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

I only come over here to laugh at you folks.............................Hilarious still

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To me, it's second only to the driveby asshats who claim: 'even though all I spout is liberal talking points, I'm actually a Republican!'

[Deranged Rhino]

26 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And also, I'm not here to converse about politics.  I'm on this message board to converse about the Bills.  I'll continue to pop in over here every once in a while to chime in about a few issues.

 

But talking politics with people of wildly differing and deeply rooted views is pointless.

 

Same goes for religion.

 

Same goes for climate change, for that matter.

 

It's a rabbit hole.

 

No point.

 

I read comments over here plenty.  I guess you could call me a lurker.  I just use a lot of restraint when responding to posts that I disagree with or that are just outright factually incorrect.  Because there's no point.

 

 

 

In other words you're plugging your ears and have no interest in having a conversation. 

 

Or as some would call it: you're dodging the issues raised which show your opinions are deeply flawed on this issue. Deeply flawed. 

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

In other words you're plugging your ears and have no interest in having a conversation. 

 

Or as some would call it: you're dodging the issues raised which show your opinions are deeply flawed on this issue. Deeply flawed. 

 

 

i pulled the pin on the ignore option awhile back....

 

 

[DC Tom]

29 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And also, I'm not here to converse about politics.

 

 

On the politics board?  Good job, numbskull.

 

29 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

But talking politics with people of wildly differing and deeply rooted views is pointless.

 

 

Well, yeah, when you're a ***** moron.  Mature adults can have discussions on topics where they disagree.  You, not so much.

 

31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Same goes for religion.

 

Same goes for climate change, for that matter.

 

 

But you repeat yourself...

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

There's a long discussion about this a year or so ago in one of Greggy's threads. 

 

Investigators only got an ISO image of the server, not the physical drive.  According to some experts on this site, that should have been enough.  But depending on the political viewpoint, the opposing experts disagreed.

Yeah, I recall that thread now that you mentioned it.  I was in the "need to have the server" camp. ? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 "Gods" 

 

When you have nothing to offer, spew nonsense. 

You're terrible at this. 

 

***************

 

 

Lindsey Graham telling the Ds to pound sand (once again).  This tweet in that thread basically says "enough already".
 

 

[keepthefaith]

7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

okay, here is my take after watching the Mueller press conference...

 

i think this was an agreed upon resolution between the Donners and Mueller as an alternative to him testifying in public before congress. it actually served the Donner's purpose better than having him getting crossed by the Republicans on the Judiciary committee which quite possibly could have ruined the narrative they so desperately want to paint here. 

 

 

 

you're not really this obtuse are you?????

 

Very possible.  It's also possible that Mueller wanted a chance to say something in response to all that Trump has said about him over the past couple years.  Not a lot of love between those two and especially Mueller's staff.  Where Mueller lost me today was in his praise of his staff.  Too many of them were Dem supporters or in the case of Weissman, questionable in character.  How that guy can even work in government at all is beyond me.  Having Strzok on the team (even though he was later removed) is a big hit to Mueller's credibility as Strzok's bias and some of his previous actions were known at that time.  Terrible decision to put him there. 

 

Mueller publishing volume 2 was a political favor to the "uniparty" or a function of the SC's disdain for Trump.  I've only read a few pages of volume 2, but I haven't seen/heard/read any report from Trump's detractors that states the evidence of obstruction and how does it violate a statute and which statute.