row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 obstruction.... OBSTRUCTING HILLARY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Meh, it is over. Unless the House decides to impeach - and they may have to in order to take the spotlight off the coming Obama Administration indictments - the perjury-trap investigation is over. Mueller went up there, muddied the waters enough for everyone to be pissed at him, and walked off. No one was happy, and there was enough said to confirm anyone's bias. I wonder what happens when Assange has a say? Russia! Russia! Russia! or, IOW some Facebook ads. Oh, and when does the DNC server get looked at by the FBI? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Meh, it is over. Unless the House decides to impeach - and they may have to in order to take the spotlight off the coming Obama Administration indictments - the perjury-trap investigation is over. Mueller went up there, muddied the waters enough for everyone to be pissed at him, and walked off. No one was happy, and there was enough said to confirm anyone's bias. I wonder what happens when Assange has a say? Russia! Russia! Russia! or, IOW some Facebook ads. Oh, and when does the DNC server get looked at by the FBI? they never made a copy of the DNC server??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 ******************** As both sides parse and spin -- here's the immediate response from Trump's campaign What's going to be hilarious are the cut ups from left leaning folks of the SAME press conference. Just now, row_33 said: they never made a copy of the DNC server??? The gov't never saw the DNC server. The DNC never gave it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: they never made a copy of the DNC server??? AFAIK it was never turned over to the FBI (please, someone correct me if that is wrong!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: AFAIK it was never turned over to the FBI (please, someone correct me if that is wrong!) i know.... that would be the first thing IT would do if it was even 1% legit an investigation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: i know.... that would be the first thing IT would do if it was even 1% legit an investigation Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh no, impeachment will be fine. It will be the Movie of the Mueller Report. Senate won't convict, but the damage of Trump will be done. If the Dems are smart they will use impeachment to smash Trump down so he walks into 2020 a dead man walking (and tweeting garbage) I kinda don't think so. It's all so worn out at this point. I think only the most devoted, radical communists are paying any real attention to this now Hoping to be proven right one of these times. It's kinda like watching a replay of the Bills/Giants Super Bowl wishing for a different outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ******************** As both sides parse and spin -- here's the immediate response from Trump's campaign What's going to be hilarious are the cut ups from left leaning folks of the SAME press conference. The gov't never saw the DNC server. The DNC never gave it over. the protection of the DNC is so vile.... maybe that's why Nixon wanted to break into HQ.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ******************** As both sides parse and spin -- here's the immediate response from Trump's campaign What's going to be hilarious are the cut ups from left leaning folks of the SAME press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I get such a weird vibe from Mueller. Like I've seen him on Forensic Files or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: I get such a weird vibe from Mueller. Like I've seen him on Forensic Files or something. all that time and NOTHING anyone worth $2 an hour would have found SOMETHING on The Donald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 There's your NYT spin: ? Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, McGee Return TD said: "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” You left out part of the quote -- but that's because you're not being honest. Which is on brand. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: all that time and NOTHING anyone worth $2 an hour would have found SOMETHING on The Donald I expected them to manufacturer something, IYKWIMAITYD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: I get such a weird vibe from Mueller. Like I've seen him on Forensic Files or something. He spent his career covering up major crimes, so you're not wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) As Tibsy breathlessly told us.............added: and Mcgee "If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so." Mueller That's not how this works. It's the other way around. You look for evidence that a crime was committed, and if you don't find it you say "we didn't find any." You don't look for evidence that it wasn't and then say, "we couldn't find evidence of innocence." . Edited May 29, 2019 by B-Man 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, B-Man said: As Tibsy breathlessly told us.............added: and Mcgee "If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so." Mueller That's not how this works? It's the other way around. You look for evidence that a crime was committed, and if you don't find it you say "we didn't find any." You don't look for evidence that it wasn't and then say, "we couldn't find evidence of innocence." . It's alarming to hear this from the former head of the FBI. Makes you wonder what Comey learned at his feet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: You left out part of the quote -- but that's because you're not being honest. Which is on brand. Finish it then, please. 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You left out part of the quote -- but that's because you're not being honest. Which is on brand. The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the department of justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I expected them to manufacturer something, IYKWIMAITYD. i don't even believe Trump didn't do SOMETHING worthy of parading around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He spent his career covering up major crimes, so you're not wrong. And let us not forget that the FISA abuse started in 2012 while he was head of the FBI. ? Link to Rosemary Collyer Report for those that want a refresher on FISA abuse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Finish it then, please. I did two pages ago. “We did not determine whether the president did commit a crime,” Keep cherry picking and pretending you're objective. You're not. You're also terrible at this. 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: And let us not forget that the FISA abuse started in 2012 while he was head of the FBI. ? Link to Rosemary Collyer Report for those that want a refresher on FISA abuse. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: I did two pages ago. “We did not determine whether the president did commit a crime,” Keep cherry picking and pretending you're objective. You're not. You're also terrible at this. and you left off the rest of the quote. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the department of justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: AFAIK it was never turned over to the FBI (please, someone correct me if that is wrong!) There's a long discussion about this a year or so ago in one of Greggy's threads. Investigators only got an ISO image of the server, not the physical drive. According to some experts on this site, that should have been enough. But depending on the political viewpoint, the opposing experts disagreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, McGee Return TD said: and you left off the rest of the quote. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the department of justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider. "We did not determine whether the president did commit a crime" makes that rather moot. At least, to normal, rational people. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: "We did not determine whether the president did commit a crime" makes that rather moot. At least, to normal, rational people. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: "We did not determine whether the president did commit a crime" makes that rather moot. At least, to normal, rational people. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider makes that rather moot. At least, to normal, rational people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: There's a long discussion about this a year or so ago in one of Greggy's threads. Investigators only got an ISO image of the server, not the physical drive. According to some experts on this site, that should have been enough. But depending on the political viewpoint, the opposing experts disagreed. Correct. CrowdStrike - the DNC vendor - performed the analysis on their own and Comey took their work as gold because, per Comey, CrowdStrike was also an FBI vendor. (see how that works, people?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Correct. I mean, it should be obvious. "We didn't determine he committed a crime. And we didn't charge him because it's policy not to." The policy's ***** irrelevant if you don't determine a crime was committed. What, you're going to charge someone when you determine he didn't commit a crime? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Nadler's statement: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, McGee Return TD said: Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider makes that rather moot. At least, to normal, rational people. You're killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: I mean, it should be obvious. "We didn't determine he committed a crime. And we didn't charge him because it's policy not to." The policy's ***** irrelevant if you don't determine a crime was committed. What, you're going to charge someone when you determine he didn't commit a crime? You'd think. But TDS is a degenerative disease as that poster keeps proving with each new screen name he jumps to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 “I hope and expect that this will be the only time I will speak to you...” “The report is my testimony.” They're still going to subpoena him. They want to keep this alive for the election Their desperation is obvious, in the media/dems responses..............as well as on this board ? . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Congress starting to chirp: (not Congress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Insufficient evidence. Then there is evidence, just not enough to go to trial with. And that's on conspiracy with a foreign government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Insufficient evidence. Then there is evidence, just not enough to go to trial with. And that's on conspiracy with a foreign government That's not how our system of justice works. At all. That's how Soviet Russia used to work though... are you sure you're rooting for the right team, Tibs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: #WWG1WGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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