YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Idk, but the sandwich I had at 716 last night might have been the worst food I’ve ever eaten at a restaurant. Which one did you get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Which one did you get The “716 Beef On Weck”. Flavorless pile of mush on a stale pretzel roll. The description sounded so good, it was a letdown. Service was brutal too. And I usually give a ton of leeway as the wife and I were both in the restaurant/service industry for a long time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I’ll take heat for this but I don’t believe that the Pegula’s know what they are doing on that end. I don’t know the people that were fired (but know a little about Popko). The Pegula’s can’t continously turn over their senior level executives!! That’s crazy. There are A LOT of pro franchises that have had their senior leadership in place for 10 to 15 or even 20 years. This one guy didn’t make it a month!! What ends up happening is you spend all of your time trying to get someone up to speed to fill a role that is above their current pay grade. Think about out how many senior level executives have been let go by the Pegula’s since they started with the Sabres? Black, Brandon, Darcy, Ruff, Bylsma, Popko, Rex, Whaley, Rossi, Muhleman, those 2 guys last month, the guy at Harbor Center and so on... I hope that this is a part of a bigger issue. If these people are tied to a problem it at least makes sense. If this is just turnover for turnover’s sake it is a problem. Maybe they realize there are too many people and maybe they have thrown TOO much money at trying to fix it? Sometimes less can be more especially with these type of positions...too many people in charge leads to employees who have no idea who they should be really listening to... 10 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Idk, but the sandwich I had at 716 last night might have been the worst food I’ve ever eaten at a restaurant. Lmao...let me guess Raw chicken sandwich or you ordered something vegan and were served beef instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Butt stuff. Lots of butt stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Lot's of people pretending that they know what they are talking about. Face it. We don't know why these individuals were fired. Jumping to conclusions and speculating is stupid. Perhaps they were great moves, perhaps they were foolish moves. We'll never know. And, BTW, winning and losing has nothing to do with these management positions. If the Sabres are winning does that mean their marketing director is effective? These are purely business moves and have nothing to do with the product on the FIELD. Edited February 26, 2019 by MJS 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Marketing Manager you say? Call me when that's upgraded to a Director or VP level... ? Edited February 26, 2019 by Heitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 For life of me, I can't figure out why anyone cares about this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: For life of me, I can't figure out why anyone cares about this. Exactly. People looking for reasons to validate their opinion that the Pegulas are bad owners. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Lmao...let me guess Raw chicken sandwich or you ordered something vegan and were served beef instead? Raw chicken might have been an improvement lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Maybe they realize there are too many people and maybe they have thrown TOO much money at trying to fix it? Sometimes less can be more especially with these type of positions...too many people in charge leads to employees who have no idea who they should be really listening to... That shouldn’t be the case though. These leagues are pretty consistent in the positions that they have. They all work together and share ideas. You have a counterpart with every other team that you work fairly closely with. You shouldn’t have a lot of “fat” on your staff if you are paying attention. In general you should have someone at the C level, someone (or a couple) at the VP level (SVP, EVP), directors of the departments, managers, and staff. Not to be boring or too much of a tangent but this is what our group looked like: President SVP of ticket Sales and Service Director of Ticket Ops, Director of Group Sales, Director of Retention, Director of Ticket Sales (packages), Director of Analytics Manager of each of those groups 30 - 40 sales and service reps in the various departments. There were also a couple of analytics and ticket ops people at this level. That would be roughly 50 people in that department. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, nucci said: Marrone quit, hired Rex, fired Whaley, fired Rex...they inherited a decent football team and messed it up....looks a bit more promising today What planet have you been living on - a decent football team? More like a perennial almost .500 team forever that never demonstrated the ability to make a serious playoff run; terrible scouting, drafting, coaching, and FO management from 2001 until 2017! 1 hour ago, MJS said: Lot's of people pretending that they know what they are talking about. Face it. We don't know why these individuals were fired. Jumping to conclusions and speculating is stupid. Perhaps they were great moves, perhaps they were foolish moves. We'll never know. And, BTW, winning and losing has nothing to do with these management positions. If the Sabres are winning does that mean their marketing director is effective? These are purely business moves and have nothing to do with the product on the FIELD. "Lot's of people pretending that they know what they are talking about." You must be new to TBD; it's what we do - with pride! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I’ll take heat for this but I don’t believe that the Pegula’s know what they are doing on that end. I don’t know the people that were fired (but know a little about Popko). The Pegula’s can’t continously turn over their senior level executives!! That’s crazy. There are A LOT of pro franchises that have had their senior leadership in place for 10 to 15 or even 20 years. This one guy didn’t make it a month!! What ends up happening is you spend all of your time trying to get someone up to speed to fill a role that is above their current pay grade. Think about out how many senior level executives have been let go by the Pegula’s since they started with the Sabres? Black, Brandon, Darcy, Ruff, Bylsma, Popko, Rex, Whaley, Rossi, Muhleman, those 2 guys last month, the guy at Harbor Center and so on... I hope that this is a part of a bigger issue. If these people are tied to a problem it at least makes sense. If this is just turnover for turnover’s sake it is a problem. 4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: My impression is that the Pegulas fire a lot of people because sports don't work like private industry and they are getting frustrated that investing resources doesn't lead to success in sports the same way it does in business I'll give them somewhat of a pass as who knows what Russ Brandon had done with things over there. Now Kim has taken over and may have found things that just didn't look/feel/sound good to her 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Last I heard Lauren Hall is still employed at PSE, no? So it cant be workplace affair related. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'll give them somewhat of a pass as who knows what Russ Brandon had done with things over there. Now Kim has taken over and may have found things that just didn't look/feel/sound good to her Without being a contrarian I feel the opposite. I know a lot of the people that Russ had in charge and they were talented. He was talented. The Bills obviously has no choice but to fire RB but it wasn’t wise to clear out veteran sports business people like Popko. Those people know WAY more about the business than Terry & Kim Pegula. You should be embracing people like that to learn from, not firing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I feel like all of this may be related to the answers I gave in a survey about renovating the arena. Serves em right then. Thanks for listening Kim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Without being a contrarian I feel the opposite. I know a lot of the people that Russ had in charge and they were talented. He was talented. The Bills obviously has no choice but to fire RB but it wasn’t wise to clear out veteran sports business people like Popko. Those people know WAY more about the business than Terry & Kim Pegula. You should be embracing people like that to learn from, not firing them. That's a valid point, but as the expression goes, "an apples doesn't fall far from the tree" What if these others while great smart people in the business also had some skeletons in the closet too and thta's why they were let go. Maybe not anything as bad a Russ, but not completely squeaky clean either. Maybe in Kim's inexperience, felt they could easily be replaced where as someone else would have put up with some small issues at least until thinks were going smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Just read Terry and Kim fired three execs including the COO and the marketing director. Any clue what's going on with that? Wonder if it's more sexual misconduct stuff. They were overheard asking Robert Kraft who his massage theropist is and where he gets his nails done.? Edited February 27, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 "Off with their heads!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Russ Brandon hired them at his new company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: That's a valid point, but as the expression goes, "an apples doesn't fall far from the tree" What if these others while great smart people in the business also had some skeletons in the closet too and thta's why they were let go. Maybe not anything as bad a Russ, but not completely squeaky clean either. Maybe in Kim's inexperience, felt they could easily be replaced where as someone else would have put up with some small issues at least until thinks were going smooth. If there are skeletons I am all for clearing them out. I’m actually hoping that there is more to the story than “we wanted change.” It would make me feel more comfortable. I want the Bills and Sabres to have superior management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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