RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Here are some easy cuts to add $6,000,000 to our $78,750,000 in cap space Chris Ivory Vlad Ducasse Punter Cam Phillips Denzel Rice These obvious moves would bring our cap space to $85,000,000. That additional space is going to be very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I stopped reading when I saw you suggest cutting Ivory... 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Is there some reason to believe we are going to spend so much of that money that we need to find an additional 6 million to make it work? People who are expecting a wild off season are going to be sorely disappointed. They aren't going to go through what they went through to waste the entire cap this year. To do so would require numerous multiple year contracts, which would drain the salary pool for years to come. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Here are some easy cuts to add $6,000,000 to our $78,750,000 in cap space Chris Ivory Vlad Ducasse Punter Cam Phillips Denzel Rice These obvious moves would bring our cap space to $85,000,000. That additional space is going to be very helpful. What help will cutting 5 guys to free up that extra 6m provide compared to the original $79m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 I'd add as follows Darryl Williams 5 years $55,000,000 Jordan Phillips 3 years - $10,000,000 Mitch Morse 4 years - $32,000,000 Jesse James 4 years - $24,000,000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Here are some easy cuts to add $6,000,000 to our $78,750,000 in cap space Chris Ivory Vlad Ducasse Punter Cam Phillips Denzel Rice These obvious moves would bring our cap space to $85,000,000. That additional space is going to be very helpful. What help will cutting 5 guys to free up that extra 6m provide compared to the original $79m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Here are some easy cuts to add $6,000,000 to our $78,750,000 in cap space Chris Ivory Vlad Ducasse Punter Cam Phillips Denzel Rice These obvious moves would bring our cap space to $85,000,000. That additional space is going to be very helpful. So you will cut Cam Phillips a rookie at the league minimum to make cap space? They aren't going to do that. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said: So you will cut Cam Phillips a rookie at the league minimum to make cap space? They aren't going to do that. Is he going to make the 2019 team or be a hot signing by another team. No If thats the case why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Here are some easy cuts to add $6,000,000 to our $78,750,000 in cap space Chris Ivory Vlad Ducasse Punter Cam Phillips Denzel Rice These obvious moves would bring our cap space to $85,000,000. That additional space is going to be very helpful. You do realize they are not going to come close to spending the 79 m they have now? We don't want to be in cap hell in two years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Herc11 said: I stopped reading when I saw you suggest cutting Ivory... Ivory can and should be replaced with a back such as TJ Yeldon, Tevan Coleman and obviously a draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, RPbillsfan said: Is he going to make the 2019 team or be a hot signing by another team. No If thats the case why not Because you need players. Potential might be all he has but you can't cut every player that won't be a starter and replace them with high priced free agents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Why makes cuts in the middle of a Sabres game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Honestly if we gave as much time to Foster as you are willing to give Cam Phillips, Foster would have already been gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: You do realize they are not going to come close to spending the 79 m they have now? We don't want to be in cap hell in two years. Just now, HOUSE said: Why makes cuts in the middle of a Sabres game? Live in San Diego, watching game on Direct TV, channel 772, lol Just now, Billzgobowlin said: Honestly if we gave as much time to Foster as you are willing to give Cam Phillips, Foster would have already been gone What measureables does Cam Phillips have that compares to Robert Foster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 There’s a lot of holes to fill already. Why create more? What makes people think they are going on some huge spending spree? They may target a couple of the top lineman, but they aren’t spending all that money. They will spend to get to the minimum cap level and roll more over for next season. Beane has said repeatedly they are not building this team via free agency but through drafting good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Is there some reason to believe we are going to spend so much of that money that we need to find an additional 6 million to make it work? People who are expecting a wild off season are going to be sorely disappointed. They aren't going to go through what they went through to waste the entire cap this year. To do so would require numerous multiple year contracts, which would drain the salary pool for years to come. I agree with part of this and completely disagree with the other. There is absolutely no reason they need an additional 6 million in cap space. It's going to be difficult to spend the money they have. That being said, at what point do they spend the money? Who on the roster are you concerned about paying? Edmunds and Allen in 4 years? White in 3 years? The objective is to play to the cap as much as possible, not stockpile money for some future date. I think they're under some pressure to win this season and I would be surprised if they didn't make some moves you don't expect them to make. They don't have eternity to make this thing work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I don’t want Ducasse as a starter but he’s good depth and salary is reasonable. I’d keep him. Others are right. The extra $6m won’t make a difference. They aren’t spending all that money. Cut the punter sure, but not to save the money, he just stinks. Gonna have to spend the same to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 If we need to save, we can do a lot more by saying adieu to McCoy and Clay:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: There’s a lot of holes to fill already. Why create more? What makes people think they are going on some huge spending spree? They may target a couple of the top lineman, but they aren’t spending all that money. They will spend to get to the minimum cap level and roll more over for next season. Beane has said repeatedly they are not building this team via free agency but through drafting good. Here is what I suggest they add in Free Agency RT - Darryl Williams - 5 years - $55,000,000 C - Matt Morse - 4 years - $32,000,000 DT - Sheldon Richardson - 3 years $30,000,000 TE - Jesse James - 4 years - $24,000,000 DT - Jordan Phillips - 3 years - $10,000,000 RB- Tevan Coleman - 3 years - $15,000,000 Total FY 2019 Cap Space - $43,000,000, leaves $42,000,000 left Now draft needs: WR TE OG RB S Would love to add DK Metcalf or Hakeem Butler TJ Hockenson or Irv Smith Either Wisconsin OG Hendorson or Love at RB A LB/S hybrid That gives the Bills a lot to build with 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Was hoping these were official 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Lets cut everyone... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I agree with part of this and completely disagree with the other. There is absolutely no reason they need an additional 6 million in cap space. It's going to be difficult to spend the money they have. That being said, at what point do they spend the money? Who on the roster are you concerned about paying? Edmunds and Allen in 4 years? White in 3 years? The objective is to play to the cap as much as possible, not stockpile money for some future date. I think they're under some pressure to win this season and I would be surprised if they didn't make some moves you don't expect them to make. They don't have eternity to make this thing work. I'm hoping they have a stealth campaign to make a run at Clowney in addition to getting D. Williams and Morse or Paradis at center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: I'm hoping they have a stealth campaign to make a run at Clowney in addition to getting D. Williams and Morse or Paradis at center. I'm down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I am missing the analytics where cutting a cheap player to be replaced by another cheap player helps the cap. Cut Ducasse because of his performance, not salary cap. For the others, keep them until you find someone better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Here are some easy cuts to add $6,000,000 to our $78,750,000 in cap space Chris Ivory Vlad Ducasse Punter Cam Phillips Denzel Rice These obvious moves would bring our cap space to $85,000,000. That additional space is going to be very helpful. Here's some more cuts: Random player #1 Random player #2 Random practice squad player #3. "Punter." You're an idiot. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 ...interesting...so far according to this thread, Shady stays at $ 6 mil............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: I'm hoping they have a stealth campaign to make a run at Clowney in addition to getting D. Williams and Morse or Paradis at center. I've looked at the Sportac NFL site and based on players that can be cut to add cap space and who are critical "need to resign" I feel players like Lawrence of Dallas, Clowney of the Texans, Flowers of NE, Dee Ford in KC and others will be resigned by their current teams. We can outbid the Panthers for Darryl Williams, Chiefs won't have enough cap space for Morse and have his replacement in place, Vikings tight against the cap and have to resign Anthony Barr and add on the offensive line. Paradies will probably resign in Denver as they have cap space. The signings I've suggested are based on their ability to be signed and based on their current teams salary or depth issues and other priority needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Here is what I suggest they add in Free Agency RT - Darryl Williams - 5 years - $55,000,000 C - Matt Morse - 4 years - $32,000,000 DT - Sheldon Richardson - 3 years $30,000,000 TE - Jesse James - 4 years - $24,000,000 DT - Jordan Phillips - 3 years - $10,000,000 RB- Tevan Coleman - 3 years - $15,000,000 Total FY 2019 Cap Space - $43,000,000, leaves $42,000,000 left Now draft needs: WR TE OG RB S Would love to add DK Metcalf or Hakeem Butler TJ Hockenson or Irv Smith Either Wisconsin OG Hendorson or Love at RB A LB/S hybrid That gives the Bills a lot to build with They need to spend way more than that to get to the minimum cap. They can’t roll 40 million. And you mention some of the top free agents, surely other teams will be bidding quite hard to get those guys as well. This is why it’s difficult to cut more guys. You may end up with worse replacements than you already have on the team. Difference is the guys on the team already know the schemes and players in the locker room. You don’t cut someone like ivory until you already have their replacement under contract. Tevin Coleman and Yeldon are the top 2 backs available, other teams need them way more than buffalo. They can’t just sign all the top free agents that’s a bad way to build the team and fill holes. Ask the redskins and dolphins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Here's some more cuts: Random player #1 Random player #2 Random practice squad player #3. "Punter." You're an idiot. Thank you for your informative input you jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: So you will cut Cam Phillips a rookie at the league minimum to make cap space? They aren't going to do that. Probably fails to realize his salary doesn’t even count towards the cap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, RPbillsfan said: Thank you for your informative input you jerk. That's "jerky-jerk" to the likes of you, knucklehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: Probably fails to realize his salary doesn’t even count towards the cap What is the problem with cutting players who won't make the roster due to a lack of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 For all who are throwing shade my way please give me your plan. It's easy to make snide comments or try and be funny. But how about doing a bit of research. Possibly evaluate who may be available and why. Maybe even look at what other teams may do and how that impacts the Bills. I'm a long time fan, bought my first season tickets at age 7 for the 64 season. Im 61 now and live in California. I study and evaluate opportunities and try to bring interesting topics with useful researched information for all to read, review and comment on. If you can't do the same, please read but don't comment. Thank You 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I agree with part of this and completely disagree with the other. There is absolutely no reason they need an additional 6 million in cap space. It's going to be difficult to spend the money they have. That being said, at what point do they spend the money? Who on the roster are you concerned about paying? Edmunds and Allen in 4 years? White in 3 years? The objective is to play to the cap as much as possible, not stockpile money for some future date. I think they're under some pressure to win this season and I would be surprised if they didn't make some moves you don't expect them to make. They don't have eternity to make this thing work. I think the idea is to have the flexibility to re-sign your guys (for sure), but also to add one or two free agents every year. Using all that money this year takes away your flexibility moving forward. GMs don't look at the cap year by year. They evaluate over time. I think you probably understand that. But I think you aren't appreciating the need to sing free agents next year, and the year after, and the year after (and at some point re-sign our own guys) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Ivory can be replaced by a 5th round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I think the idea is to have the flexibility to re-sign your guys (for sure), but also to add one or two free agents every year. Using all that money this year takes away your flexibility moving forward. GMs don't look at the cap year by year. They evaluate over time. I think you probably understand that. But I think you aren't appreciating the need to sing free agents next year, and the year after, and the year after (and at some point re-sign our own guys) Hmmmm, my suggested signings cost the Bills $42,000,000, leaving $43,000,000 for next year. Plus the signings give us room to move off the contracts to pay Tre, Josh and Tremaine at market value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I think the idea is to have the flexibility to re-sign your guys (for sure), but also to add one or two free agents every year. Using all that money this year takes away your flexibility moving forward. GMs don't look at the cap year by year. They evaluate over time. I think you probably understand that. But I think you aren't appreciating the need to sing free agents next year, and the year after, and the year after (and at some point re-sign our own guys) The cap rises every year. I can see maintaining some space under the cap. It's prudent. That's not where we're at here. We have a TON of cap space with no major impending FA's in 2020. I expect them to be pretty aggressive this year. If they're not careful, they could end up not hitting the cap FLOOR. I agree that it would make sense to stay under by 10-15 mil or so, but anything over that is a waste of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: What is the problem with cutting players who won't make the roster due to a lack of talent. Your post is inaccurate.. His salary doesn’t count toward the top 53 so your figure is off making this post irrelevant. Good try though ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: For all who are throwing shade my way please give me your plan. It's easy to make snide comments or try and be funny. But how about doing a bit of research. Possibly evaluate who may be available and why. Maybe even look at what other teams may do and how that impacts the Bills. I'm a long time fan, bought my first season tickets at age 7 for the 64 season. Im 61 now and live in California. I study and evaluate opportunities and try to bring interesting topics with useful researched information for all to read, review and comment on. If you can't do the same, please read but don't comment. Thank You You only catch heat for suggesting the cuts really with no reason. The 70 + million will be hard enough to spend without opening new holes on the roster. They literally hurt themselves by freeing up another 6 million. There’s 31 other teams many who will bid for the exact same players the bills need. Even if they wanted to spend the entire 70 million this offseason they could not fill all their holes on the team, not with decent players. Somehow though they need to spend x amount to get to the minimum salary cap for the league while planning ways out of some of these contracts in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Your post is inaccurate.. His salary doesn’t count toward the top 53 so your figure is off making this post irrelevant. Good try though ?? Yes, only the top 51 count, I know that. Do you actually know how many players the Bills have signed for 2019? I'm guessing no you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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