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CBS.com 2018 Re-Draft: Allen to Jets, Bills take Rosen; Robert Foster, Levi Wallace go in 1st round

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  On 2/6/2019 at 11:44 AM, eball said:

 

Yeah, 80 solo tackles, 2 INT, 2 FF in 15 games as a rookie sucks.  You still don't get it.  In a year everyone knew the Bills wouldn't contend they got the chance to mold a 19-year-old kid with stupendous talent and give him a year of experience in their defense.  Was he an instant All-Pro?  No, but I guess that's your measuring stick for a rookie 1st rounder.

 

Edmunds not being on this list given both the way he played and his potential is a little ridiculous -- even with the growing pains.

 

 

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When I saw Scott’s post all I could do was chuckle. Somebody that far gone isn’t even worth your time. 

 

Edmunds was an individual in the middle of the 2nd ranked yardage D in the Nfl and 2nd overall defense in the NFL according to football outsiders DVOA. He EARNED conference defensive rookie of the month to close out the year and was the only player in the NFL with 120 tackles, 2 int, 2FF, and 10 passes defended. 

 

.... but he struggled all year and Scottlaw is quite worried. cool story, Bruh.....Foolishness. 

 

 

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They have Levi Wallace going 20th to Detroit, too. So not one but TWO of the Bills UDFAs would now go in the 1st round in this hypothetical re-draft. If Allen and Edmunds turn out to be the real

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20. Detroit Lions Levi Wallace, CB, Alabama. Wallace didn't get the call-up from the Bills practice squad until November. After that, he proved he should've been Buffalo's No. 2 cornerback all

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Oh, and one more thing: Saquon Barkley dropping all the way to 23rd or whatever is just silly. He had 2000 all purpose yards as a rookie, right? And now he drops 21 spots in the re-draft? Nonsense.

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  On 2/6/2019 at 2:28 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Worse situation for Rosen than Josh put up with. Much worse line. 

 

Like it or not, he's got a chance, still, to be a very good one.

 

No way to know, with any of them, but there's a chance.

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He isn't good, he had better players around him than Josh did.

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  On 2/6/2019 at 3:43 AM, ScottLaw said:

Philips? Guy was nonexistent.

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He had 35 combined tackles, more than Michael Bennett, Everson Griffen and Brandon Williams to name a few.  He didn't make a ton of big splash plays but as a 3rd round pick that shouldn't be expected.  He produced well for being in a heavy rotation.  

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  On 2/6/2019 at 1:44 PM, YoloinOhio said:

That’s my opinion as well. Where were the Cards worse than the Bills? 

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I dont get how people use this argument.  They say Arizona lost so much of their oline due to injuries, we just lost all ours before the season started. We also didnt have Kirk, Fitz, or DJ so im not buying it.

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  On 2/6/2019 at 12:48 AM, YoloinOhio said:

He seems to think he was put in a bad situation (is Buffalo’s offense much better?) and that he still has the chops to be a franchize QB. I mean, maybe. 

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Yeah. It's kind of bold to claim Rosen had the worst situation. Pretty clear to me that Allen had just as bad of a situation. There's no way you can claim that their offensive line was worse, and certainly the Bills had a worse WR group. Rosen had a future hall of famer to throw to.

 

Anyway, that's why Allen went 3rd and Rosen 12th. He showed more with a similar situation. But Rosen should have dropped out of the first.

 

I also think Taron Johnson should have gone in the first. He dropped off people's radar after he was shut down later in the season, but he was consistently rated as one of the best rookie CB's in the league.

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  On 2/6/2019 at 3:19 AM, GreggTX said:

 Wallace and Foster saved that draft along with Teller and T Johnson. It's Edmunds and Allen that worry me. I can't imagine Allen at #3. I can also see Edmunds going on day 2 or even day 3.

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The defensive rookie of the month for December with incredible physical traits going on day 3?  You can't really believe that.

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  On 2/6/2019 at 12:31 PM, Stank_Nasty said:

When I saw Scott’s post all I could do was chuckle. Somebody that far gone isn’t even worth your time. 

 

Edmunds was an individual in the middle of the 2nd ranked yardage D in the Nfl and 2nd overall defense in the NFL according to football outsiders DVOA. He EARNED conference defensive rookie of the month to close out the year and was the only player in the NFL with 120 tackles, 2 int, 2FF, and 10 passes defended. 

 

.... but he struggled all year and Scottlaw is quite worried. cool story, Bruh.....Foolishness. 

 

 

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He had a rough year........there were a number of games when he was the worst player on the defense.

 

You can sum up his issues as a lack of instinctive play.

 

There  have been rare cases where guys who struggled at the position early have made big strides but it's not the norm.........typically they hit the ground running.

 

I still like the pick because I think he could be very good edge player if MLB doesn't pan out but it's fair to say he didn't look like a first rounder last year.........and there were LB's picked later who DID.........it's certainly noteworthy.

 

 

 

 

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  On 2/6/2019 at 12:44 PM, teef said:

 

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First three rounds of Bills 2018 draft according to @ScottLaw:

 

Allen -- BADOLBILZ seems to like him so I guess I do too.

Edmunds -- running around like a Keystone Kop out there.

Phillips -- did he even play?

 

ScottLaw gonna ScottLaw...

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  On 2/6/2019 at 3:08 PM, eball said:

 

First three rounds of Bills 2018 draft according to @ScottLaw:

 

Allen -- BADOLBILZ seems to like him so I guess I do too.

Edmunds -- running around like a Keystone Kop out there.

Phillips -- did he even play?

 

ScottLaw gonna ScottLaw...

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i'm going to meet him someday, and it will be glorious.    i'm going to make up a list of things i hate and anger me, so we have something to talk about.

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I thought Edmunds had a great first year.  He led the team in tackles, made the defensive calls, and shows tremendous speed and hitting ability.  Maybe I'm just a guy watching football and not breaking down every play in slo-mo.  I'm thrilled he's on our team, and I think he's a fixture.  Can't wait to see what happens when Milano, Taron Johnson, the free agent signings, and people like Levi Wallace continue to improve.  

 

I also think Josh is going to be a superstar.  Foster is a stud, Zay will get better, and they'll find Josh some new targets.  Clay will be gone and replaced by a person who runs routes and catches footballs.  

 

Let's go.

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  On 2/6/2019 at 12:30 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

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I don't think the Bills were interested in Rosen at all, for whatever reason.  I think the same about Mayfield and Jackson.

 

If they couldn't have taken Allen or Darnold I believe they would have traded down and gone after Mason Rudolph.

 

Note that this does NOT represent my personal opinion or ranking of last year's draft class, but rather what I think the Bills would have done based on various things Beane has said.

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