Is DT Gerald McCoy done in Tampa?

[Tipster19]

If so I would love to see the Bills get him. It would be 1 more position reinforced before the draft.

 

https://www.bucsnation.com/platform/amp/2018/12/30/18161938/gerald-mccoy-says-goodbye-to-buccaneers-fans

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

He is likely to be a cap casualty.  He is still a very good player. Bean won't be interested, if he is looking for big money and a longer term contract.  Realistically, Bean appears to be constructing the team to make a run in 2020 and 2021.  McCoy's best years will be behind him by that time.  As much as I like McCoy as a player, I don't expect it to happen.

[richardb1952]

$13 million for a soon to be 31 yr old DT.  His salary has no dead cap.  Give TB a 7th rounder and take over his contract.  He is a little expensive but his contract could be dropped at any time.  For the cost of a 7th rounder, he could help solidify a pretty good DL.  On the other side, there will be a lot of talented DLs in this draft that can be had at pick 9 for a lot less money.  If Bills want to use the 9th pick on a position other than DL, McCoy might prove to be a valuable option as they look to fortify other holes on the team.

[IgotBILLStopay]

He is the prototypical 4-3 DT and will be a good fit for the Bills.

TB cant wait to get rid of him since he is a misfit in a 3-4 alongside Vita Vea. 

So I would like TB to sweeten the pot by offering us a 3rd rounder for us to take him on and relieve them of 13 million cap drain. They are severely cap constrained. Will be like the Osweiler trade to the Browns.

[billsbackto81]

On the fence with my feelings on this.

McCoy was a beast 5-6 years ago and has lately shown a drop in production that does not justify his salary. Only McBeane can determine whether a one year rental at 13 mil and the cost of a draft pick is worth it. Could be one of those "change of scenery" might do him good. Very deep draft for DTs though. For a team on the cusp, maybe. 

[aristocrat]

he's never made the playoffs. i bet he goes to the pats or rams. 

[billsbackto81]

6 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

He is the prototypical 4-3 DT and will be a good fit for the Bills.

TB cant wait to get rid of him since he is a misfit in a 3-4 alongside Vita Vea. 

So I would like TB to sweeten the pot by offering us a 3rd rounder for us to take him on and relieve them of 13 million cap drain. They are severely cap constrained. Will be like the Osweiler trade to the Browns.

You want the Bucs to pay us for taking a 6x Pro Bowler and All-pro? I understand he's making 13 mil but some team will gladly take that on and offer a pick for a player of his caliber. The Browns are supposedly going to make a push for him and I'm sure others will be lined up.

[IgotBILLStopay]

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

You want the Bucs to pay us for taking a 6x Pro Bowler and All-pro? I understand he's making 13 mil but some team will gladly take that on and offer a pick for a player of his caliber. The Browns are supposedly going to make a push for him and I'm sure others will be lined up.

Of course the price will be market determined. So if there is major demand for his services, we should just pass. Consistent with your post, I dont want the Bills to spend 13 mill for a 1-year rental on an ageing DT when we are more than one piece away. And you are right that he would be a good fit in a Steve Wilks defense for the Browns.

 

While I may be wrong, I think you are overestimating the market for an ageing scheme specific DT (his past exploits do not have a bearing). And as I said, if it is a hot market for him - then the Bills should just pass on him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

24 minutes ago, richardb1952 said:

$13 million for a soon to be 31 yr old DT.  His salary has no dead cap.  Give TB a 7th rounder and take over his contract.  He is a little expensive but his contract could be dropped at any time.  For the cost of a 7th rounder, he could help solidify a pretty good DL.  On the other side, there will be a lot of talented DLs in this draft that can be had at pick 9 for a lot less money.  If Bills want to use the 9th pick on a position other than DL, McCoy might prove to be a valuable option as they look to fortify other holes on the team.

 

His veteran leadership would also fill a little of the Kyle Williams void.  If he can still play at a high level, I'd give up a little more than a 7th.

[KD in CA]

1 minute ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Of course the price will be market determined. So if there is major demand for his services, we should just pass. Consistent with your post, I dont want the Bills to spend 13 mill for a 1-year rental on an ageing DT when we are more than one piece away. And you are right that he would be a good fit in a Steve Wilks defense for the Browns.

 

While I may be wrong, I think you are overestimating the market for an ageing scheme specific DT (his past exploits do not have a bearing). And as I said, if it is a hot market for him - then the Bills should just pass on him. 

 

Given how quickly the cap has risen and how many teams have QBs on low $ deals, I think the market is going to be hot for just about everyone.

[IgotBILLStopay]

https://www.bucsnation.com/2019/1/25/18196698/the-trial-of-gerald-mccoy-buccaneers

 

TB fans debating the pros and cons of keeping Gerald McCoy.

[JimKellyTryouts]

He's been a great player in the league for a while on really awful teams - he'd not be a fit for us but should probably look for a short term deal with a contender

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

He is likely to be a cap casualty.  He is still a very good player. Bean won't be interested, if he is looking for big money and a longer term contract.  Realistically, Bean appears to be constructing the team to make a run in 2020 and 2021.  McCoy's best years will be behind him by that time.  As much as I like McCoy as a player, I don't expect it to happen.

If our GM is planning for 2020 or 2021 then he should be fired today. It doesn't take multiple years to develop a roster to make a playoff run. All you need is a QB. After that you should contend every year or be shown the door. This idea of a 4 or 5 year rebuild has not occurred since the 1980s. Now, you get the QB and then you contend every year. The Bills' prior GMs never found the QB. Was Carolina a 5 year rebuild. No. They got Cam and they were in a Superbowl.  Same with Denver, KC, Seattle, and now LA. 

Beane got his QB and gave up tremendous resources to get him.  He gave away tons of talent to get his cap room. Now it is time to win. 

[DCOrange]

2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

He is the prototypical 4-3 DT and will be a good fit for the Bills.

TB cant wait to get rid of him since he is a misfit in a 3-4 alongside Vita Vea. 

So I would like TB to sweeten the pot by offering us a 3rd rounder for us to take him on and relieve them of 13 million cap drain. They are severely cap constrained. Will be like the Osweiler trade to the Browns.

There's simply no chance this would happen. The Bucs get out of his entire contract for free by cutting him; there's zero incentive for them to attach draft picks to unload him.

 

I'm not entirely convinced the Bills should sink even more money into the DT position, but McCoy would be an upgrade over Kyle Williams in the very least. If Buffalo is in fact interested, I think they should send a Day 3 pick to Tampa for him as another poster mentioned. The contract is structured in a way that is probably significantly better than Buffalo would be able to sign him to in free agency anyways so a trade would be the preferred route here IMO.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

If our GM is planning for 2020 or 2021 then he should be fired today. It doesn't take multiple years to develop a roster to make a playoff run. All you need is a QB. After that you should contend every year or be shown the door. This idea of a 4 or 5 year rebuild has not occurred since the 1980s. Now, you get the QB and then you contend every year. The Bills' prior GMs never found the QB. Was Carolina a 5 year rebuild. No. They got Cam and they were in a Superbowl.  Same with Denver, KC, Seattle, and now LA. 

Beane got his QB and gave up tremendous resources to get him.  He gave away tons of talent to get his cap room. Now it is time to win. 

If all the Bills were missing was a QB, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, the rest of the roster is pretty thin.  I hope you are correct but I don't see it happening.  I keep reading that Beane is building for sustained success.  That indicates to me that he will not go after high cost, high impact free agents in order to make a serious run to the Super Bowl.  He doesn't seem inclined to jump to short term solutions that jeopardize long term success.  I don't necessarily like that approach but it appears to me that this is the approach that he is taking.

By the way, the tremendous talent he gave up (Darius, Glenn, and Taylor) didn't do much in the league this season and would not have changed Buffalo's season either.

[IgotBILLStopay]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

There's simply no chance this would happen. The Bucs get out of his entire contract for free by cutting him; there's zero incentive for them to attach draft picks to unload him.

 

I'm not entirely convinced the Bills should sink even more money into the DT position, but McCoy would be an upgrade over Kyle Williams in the very least. If Buffalo is in fact interested, I think they should send a Day 3 pick to Tampa for him as another poster mentioned. The contract is structured in a way that is probably significantly better than Buffalo would be able to sign him to in free agency anyways so a trade would be the preferred route here IMO.

Umm. I think you are right - i thought 13 mill was guaranteed, but apparently it is not. My bad folks.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/gerald-mccoy-6512/

 

So if they can just cut him - clearly they wont give up compensation. But I will pass on 13 million for a 1 year rental. That said, he may be available (since TB will cut him) at a reduced rate - maybe we should consider signing him to a Kyle Williams like contract.

Edited January 29, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay

[Misterbluesky]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

His veteran leadership would also fill a little of the Kyle Williams void.  If he can still play at a high level, I'd give up a little more than a 7th.

If they make a play for McCoy,then they should break off talks with Jordan Phillips.Between McCoy and Star=20 million.

[CaptnCoke11]

8 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

If they make a play for McCoy,then they should break off talks with Jordan Phillips.Between McCoy and Star=20 million.

They can easily afford a few big contracts for the next 3-4 years while Allen is stil on his rookie deal.  

[Misterbluesky]

 

5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

They can easily afford a few big contracts for the next 3-4 years while Allen is stil on his rookie deal.  

Good point.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Misterbluesky

[YodaMan79]

I laugh when I see posts about stealing other players for little to nothing, and they think it's possible.  I bet these are the same people that thought getting a 2 or 3 for McCoy was possible, and thought 5-6 round pick was ridiculous.  

 

If available, I'd make a full push for this guy.  They need to start spending money.  Might as well get a proven commodity that fits the scheme. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by YodaMan79

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, YodaMan79 said:

I laugh when I see posts about stealing other players for little to nothing, and they think it's possible.  I bet these are the same people that thought getting a 2 or 3 for McCoy was possible, and thought 5-6 round pick was ridiculous.  

 

If available, I'd make a full push for this guy.  They need to start spending money.  Might as well get a proven commodity that fits the scheme. 

Beane has an expanding track record of getting guys who really perform for less than top money. He's not going to go out there and get a guy at any cost. We're finally over those types of contracts and there is no way he's going to put us back there.

[richardb1952]

McCoy currently has three more years left on his current contract with no dead cap.  Basically $13 mil per year for 3 years.  Bills could drop him at any time and be off the hook.  Having no dead cap is a great incentive to sign a DT like McCoy.  I originally said offer a 7th, but maybe 2 #7s or some combination of the  10 picks they have this year.  Getting McCoy would fill a hole with a strength.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Beane has an expanding track record of getting guys who really perform for less than top money. He's not going to go out there and get a guy at any cost. We're finally over those types of contracts and there is no way he's going to put us back there.

 

Oh really?

 

Star?

 

Vontae?

 

Trent Murphy?

 

Beane did quite a bit of overpaying in FA last year to get "their" guys.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

20 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

He is the prototypical 4-3 DT and will be a good fit for the Bills.

TB cant wait to get rid of him since he is a misfit in a 3-4 alongside Vita Vea. 

So I would like TB to sweeten the pot by offering us a 3rd rounder for us to take him on and relieve them of 13 million cap drain. They are severely cap constrained. Will be like the Osweiler trade to the Browns.

 

He hasn’t slowed down and I watch every game, he just has a bad supporting cast as well as our last DC made things too complicated.  I can see them wanting to unload him given the change, but they will never give away a 3rd as they are rebuilding.  Maybe a 5th if other teams don’t go for him right away, otherwise we would need to give something away and Beene won’t do something for a 31 yr old, even if he is a stud.

[Bill from NYC]

18 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

If our GM is planning for 2020 or 2021 then he should be fired today. It doesn't take multiple years to develop a roster to make a playoff run. All you need is a QB. After that you should contend every year or be shown the door. This idea of a 4 or 5 year rebuild has not occurred since the 1980s. Now, you get the QB and then you contend every year. The Bills' prior GMs never found the QB. Was Carolina a 5 year rebuild. No. They got Cam and they were in a Superbowl.  Same with Denver, KC, Seattle, and now LA. 

Beane got his QB and gave up tremendous resources to get him.  He gave away tons of talent to get his cap room. Now it is time to win. 

I fully agree but I will add that now it is time to protect him. The Bills prior GMs also did not devote ample resources to blocking.

[teef]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

100% agree but I'm not sure Terry does. 

 

Look at the Sabres. They are in like year 7 of a rebuild. Different sports, but it doesn't take 7 years to rebuild a hockey team either.

scott talk!  is it never too early to do this?

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

scott talk!  is it never too early to do this?

 

It might be too early in Visalia, CA.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It might be too early in Visalia, CA.

scott's anger doesn't deal with time zones.

Edited January 30, 2019 by teef

[Pete]

If we can only have one McCoy, I will take Gerald

[teef]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Lol.

 

Teef you are great. You accuse me of being angry but it's so obvious you are the one who is mad.

 

Sorry my posts get you upset. Just an observation that the Sabres have sucked since Pegula bought the team. 

maybe angry isn't the word.  salty is probably better.  do you have any hair left?

[teef]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

On my face, yes.

does it creep down to your neck?  if i find out you wear a fedora, i'm going to be mean.

[teef]

31 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea. With a feather in it. It's real hip down here. 

this is perfect.

[Royale with Cheese]

Salty Anger sounds like an teenage emo band name.

[ProcessAccepted]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Oh really?

 

Star?

 

Vontae?

 

Trent Murphy?

 

Beane did quite a bit of overpaying in FA last year to get "their" guys.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Which track record is this? 

 

He oveerpaid for Star.

 

Glass half empty guys?? I did notice the guys you are referencing are all defensive guys. All I know is when you look at the results of all the defensive moves that have been made in the two years that he has been here we have a top 3 defense after the mess the Ryan brothers left us. Maybe try and look at the positive side of things like a Levi Wallace or a Micah Hyde. 

 

[Aussie Joe]

I could see Beane being interested in him.

 

He has been a quality player and Frazier has coached him in TB..

 

His contract means he can be cut if he is not earning his money but I think he might have a couple of years left..

 

My prediction is that he would cost a 5th

 

 

[Bing Bong]

23 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

I laugh when I see posts about stealing other players for little to nothing, and they think it's possible.  I bet these are the same people that thought getting a 2 or 3 for McCoy was possible, and thought 5-6 round pick was ridiculous.  

 

If available, I'd make a full push for this guy.  They need to start spending money.  Might as well get a proven commodity that fits the scheme. 

IN WHAT WORLD IS GERALD MCCOY WORTH A 7TH AND NOT A STEAL FOR THAT AND WHAT.. 13M WE PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SPEND??!

 

Triggered. HE'S NOT A 7TH WHAT IS WRONG WITH YA'LL'S BRAINS?!

[Pirate Angel]

Doubtful that the d line will be addressed in the off season, thinking Harrison and Phillips rotate replacing kyle. Star mans the  other tackle , Hughes, shaq, Murphy man the ends...maybe a depth signing but to many needs for a major move

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

 

Glass half empty guys?? I did notice the guys you are referencing are all defensive guys. All I know is when you look at the results of all the defensive moves that have been made in the two years that he has been here we have a top 3 defense after the mess the Ryan brothers left us. Maybe try and look at the positive side of things like a Levi Wallace or a Micah Hyde. 

 

 

 

Let me remind you of your quote:

 

"Beane has an expanding track record of getting guys who really perform for less than top money. He's not going to go out there and get a guy at any cost. We're finally over those types of contracts and there is no way he's going to put us back there."

 

False.

 

Beane has a track record(the one offseason) of over-paying in free agency.    Lotulelei, Murphy, Vontae, McCarron, Bodine, Newhouse.   He also traded for a guaranteed contract(Corey Coleman) and then cut the guy 2 weeks later.   

 

And btw.........Micah Hyde was signed pre-Beane...............and Wallace was an UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT........not an unrestricted one.......it's kinda' easy to avoid "those types of contracts" with UDFA.

 

Try to get some facts right at least.

 

Even if not all of them......perhaps just a few so you aren't so ENTIRELY ***** WRONG that I have to correct you?

 

  Can you do that??

 

 

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Beane has a track record(the one offseason) of over-paying in free agency. Lotulelei, Murphy, Vontae, McCarron, Bodine, Newhouse.   He also traded for a guaranteed contract(Corey Coleman) and then cut the guy 2 weeks later.   

 

 

Try to get some facts right at least.

 

Even if not all of them......perhaps just a few so you aren't so ENTIRELY ***** WRONG that I have to correct you?

 

Are you serious with this garbage? Beane overpaid for McCarron? REALLY?! And Bodine, too? Absolute nonsense. Furthermore, he later TRADED McCarron and Newhouse to other teams for draft picks. What a waste their signings were ?

As for sending the Browns a 7th round pick for a former 1st round WR when the Bills were desperate for WR help and speed on the outside...are you REALLY gonna fault him for taking that swing?

Seriously, you're trying too hard with the Beane hate. 

And then you have the nerve to end with the two sentences you ended with? If you're gonna be a big richard, take your own advice and "try to get some facts right at least".

 

[Seoulofstone]

On 1/29/2019 at 1:14 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Was Carolina a 5 year rebuild. No. They got Cam and they were in a Superbowl. 

 

 Don’t let facts get in your way. 

 

Cam Newton was drafted in 2011. The Panthers were in the 2016 SB.

 

I mean you literally couldn’t have chosen a worse example to prove your point.

Edited January 30, 2019 by Seoul_panther