transplantbillsfan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, wppete said: Jordan Palmer has a pretty sweet thing going right now. Unless the Pegulas pay him some outrageous money to be a QB coach this story is pure speculation and not likely to happen. Does he have a sweet thing goin? How much do you think he makes? Regardless, if Jordan Palmer has any desire to coach in the NFL, this would serve as his chance and if Allen developed quickly he could get OC offers relatively quickly... like a year later when Daboll leaves Buffalo. Edited January 30, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 17 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Okay my bad. He played QB in college and then worked with WRs and other aspects of the offense for 17 years in the NFL before randomly becoming our QB coach. At least Palmer had 7 years in the NFL as a QB somewhere on the depth chart of an NFL team and has been working for years coaching up young QBs. It wasn't really random at all - as I recall, McD wanted him as part of the Andy Reid school and because he came highly lauded as an offensive coach. I'll be the first to admit I was ready to send Culley packing during Allen's first few games where he looked to be more confused than anything, but watching through the rest of the season, hearing what Allen had to say about him, in addition to reading more into his effect this year and as a coach in his career, I'll likely end up eating crow if/when he becomes an HC somewhere. It was clear from before he was brought in his trajectory was to go for HC and these subsequent moves prove it. I'm keen to see how his career progresses. But I just hope myself and this board aren't underestimating the impact his departure will have on Allen's development, and that Allen can continue to progress under new coaching and prep work. I doubt Palmer is that guy - for many reasons already stated on the board. This isn't the first time rumors have circulated that Palmer would be considered as a QB coach, and you can bet Jets fans are saying the same thing as us now, as well as every other fanbase. The reality is he likely doesn't give that up unless it's for something greater or something not presently available, which I couldn't say what that would be. Dorsey and Cooter both seem more likely prospects if they even choose to go that route. 17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Football coaches are football coaches. You go with the money. He was a QB coach who turned WR coach Culley is an offensive football coach. He knows plenty about the QB position ... it’s not like he was a DB specialist Andy Reid is a “QB guru” who never played QB... was an oline coach by trade and then QB coach for a few seasons ... he knows how to coach offense Every single person around Culley vouches that he’s an amazing coach. Whether QB or WR... he was great for Allen’s development Agreed - I admit to not giving Culley his credit as a coach, as tends to happen from the armchair analysis. Basing most of my prior opinions on keyhole perspectives of Allen's performance week-to-week, I didn't fully consider Culley's coaching history and could very well see him as an HC in the league in the next couple of years. I know Harbaugh just re-signed his contract, but I'm curious to see what Culley does in Baltimore with LJ - doesn't seem to be much of a passing game there, but if he can turn that around you can damn well be sure he'll be considered for HC positions thereafter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizdomCalling Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: As back up QB? Hmm that might be a way to get Romo to be the QB coach and still pay him more than he is making on tv ... Brilliant! 8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...NEVER meant to insult........my apology........and of course you're entitled to your opinion....that is how this place is supposed to work........... Appreciate the apology but you raise a valid point if we were to be realistic about this we couldn't hire Romo as a QB coach for the amount of money that he is getting from his TV contract. But let's just go down this rabbit hole a little further in theory if he was hired to be a backup quarterback in title only 4-6 million would still be on the lower to mid end of what teams are paying for the backup QB on the roster. I don't think it will ever happen but it is fun to think about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: I agree and would like to add that watching film of Mahomes in college the kid had this Gunslingers gunslinger mindset . In this way Mahomes is a throwback type of QB like Kelly, Marino, Favre & Elway. He has that unmeasured "it" factor. I was begging the Bills to draft him. Hopefully Allen can develop that type of mindset because he has the tools to be a true Gunslinger type QB. The problem is McBeane seems to want to ruin him by using him like a Cam Newton. I hate when they call that QB draw play i cringe when i see it. Im not saying JA shouldnt run. He should be running within the structure of the passing gm ala Young, Elway & Rodgers. I really believe if we keep using JA like Cam we will ruin him. Allen is a gunslinger without a doubt. The hallmark in my view is he’s not even considering the check down. He’s looking 20 yards downfield. most of his runs were scrambles, not designed like Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Any thoughts on Palmer and other more realistic candidates who fit with what Daboll is attempting to do with the offense? I don’t see Palmer coming here. I think his QB Guru job is too cushy some realistic options I can see are Ken Dorsey... I think he is the OC at App state but he is familiar with McDermott and interviewed for our OC job in 2017 Jim Bob Cooter wasn’t retained in Detroit and he has always been a very good QB coach... being their OC just didn’t fully pan out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Josh Allen has something of Cam Newton's skill set right now, but I don't think that is necessarily his long term goal. I think he wants to be more of a passer. The runs are still going to happen, but I think they may become less frequent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Jim Bob Cooter has coached up a strong-armed QB before, that's who I would like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, WizdomCalling said: Hmm that might be a way to get Romo to be the QB coach and still pay him more than he is making on tv ... Brilliant! Appreciate the apology but you raise a valid point if we were to be realistic about this we couldn't hire Romo as a QB coach for the amount of money that he is getting from his TV contract. But let's just go down this rabbit hole a little further in theory if he was hired to be a backup quarterback in title only 4-6 million would still be on the lower to mid end of what teams are paying for the backup QB on the roster. I don't think it will ever happen but it is fun to think about. ...certainly is...this guy has skyrocketed to the top as an analyst......probably one of the better ones easily within the last decade.....backup QB money would be relative to player salaries......don't think you can co-mingle that with coaching salaries as in apples to oranges.....he'd be the highest paid on the coaching staff and probably would be higher paid than McBeane.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 There’s actually quite a few intriguing names out there right now. Very interested to see what direction the Bills go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Allen is a gunslinger without a doubt. The hallmark in my view is he’s not even considering the check down. He’s looking 20 yards downfield. most of his runs were scrambles, not designed like Cam. Yes best runs were scrambles thats true i love when does that . But i hate when they call the draws even though its just a few times a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I don’t see Palmer coming here. I think his QB Guru job is too cushy some realistic options I can see are Ken Dorsey... I think he is the OC at App state but he is familiar with McDermott and interviewed for our OC job in 2017 Jim Bob Cooter wasn’t retained in Detroit and he has always been a very good QB coach... being their OC just didn’t fully pan out My money is on Bill Musgrave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) On 1/27/2019 at 11:04 PM, transplantbillsfan said: These semantics don't fly anywhere. Saying someone has had a traumatic brain injury or that they sound like they had a helmet to helmet with no helmet is simply a loquacious way of obviously calling them stupid. You're smart enough to understand that, right? Yah, FWIW, You might of fell and bumped your head too, -sexing Palmer up as some all-world QB guru... If all you can do is lie, snark, and make stuff up, the OP in question isn't the stupid one. On 1/28/2019 at 4:30 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: LMAO. Its harmless when people friendly with each other do it. And leave me out of your conversations. (all I posted on this was that people should report abusive behavior or use the ignore feature - I don't believe I called anyone out specifically) Awww. You don't wanna be my fwen... Good. Jerks don't make good friends. Neither do people who get all bent out of shape because you don't join their JP love fest... You tried the gang-attack thing , which didn't work, Then came the lies and made up text (with Tranny's help) Once that failed, you tried to dangle me out there to get nailed by any passerby mods... Stepped away for a few days. -Business. But I'm back now. - Edited January 31, 2019 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: My money is on Bill Musgrave. That is certainly a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 3:12 PM, transplantbillsfan said: At least Palmer had 7 years in the NFL as a QB somewhere on the depth chart of an NFL team and has been working for years coaching up young QBs. Help me out here.... Has he "coached up" anyone that's currently worth a damn at the position? Maybe I'm wrong about him... I'd like to know. Oh, and FTR, the bulk of those seven years were spent getting cut, exposed as a dud, -cut, -exposed again, and so on... I realize you find his 11 career completions impressive, but the love-fest for this former scrub QB is a little sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: Help me out here.... Has he "coached up" anyone that's currently worth a damn at the position? Maybe I'm wrong about him... I'd like to know. Oh, and FTR, the bulk of those seven years were spent getting cut, exposed as a dud, -cut, -exposed again, and so on... I realize you find his 11 career completions impressive, but the love-fest for this former scrub QB is a little sickening. Regardless of what you think of him as a QB what would that have anything to do with coaching? He obviously knew what to do on the field as a QB all those years (or he wouldn't have been on a roster) the problem was he just didn't have the talent I guess to execute those plays or mentality to execute them maybe would be better wording, That doesn't mean he can't teach what he knows and what it takes to make it at the professional level. He's obviously doing something right because he's currently working with Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and worked with Deshaun Watson 2 seasons ago. https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-draft-palmer-20180422-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Regardless of what you think of him as a QB what would that have anything to do with coaching? He obviously knew what to do on the field as a QB all those years (or he wouldn't have been on a roster) the problem was he just didn't have the talent I guess to execute those plays or mentality to execute them maybe would be better wording, That doesn't mean he can't teach what he knows and what it takes to make it at the professional level. He's obviously doing something right because he's currently working with Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and worked with Deshaun Watson 2 seasons ago. Adam Dedeaux is a QB oach who's worked with Brady, Ryan, Brees, and most recently Carson Wentz. -A kid who's throwing motion, IMO was more messed up than Josh's... This guy got some serious results for these players.... He's a baseball guy from the school of Tom House... If I were looking for a QB coach I'd wanna at least talk to this person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, #34fan said: Yah, FWIW, You might of fell and bumped your head too, -sexing Palmer up as some all-world QB guru... If all you can do is lie, snark, and make stuff up, the OP in question isn't the stupid one.- Wow. Does it just suck being you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Wow. Does it just suck being you? Jack doesn't deserve to be in a post this lame. How about this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transplantbillsfan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 hours ago, One Buffalo said: That's really interesting the relationship the 2 Allens and Darnold seem to have after working together last offseason. Darnold and Allen seem to have developed a genuine friendship like Kelly and Marino... let's just hope we're the bigger beneficiaries of all this work. On a side note, I'm wondering if/when Allen is going to get together with his WRs (new and old) to continue to develop chemistry. I like the idea of "cementing" his mechanics the way Palmer says, but I'd like to see Josh get together with Foster/Zay/Brown in Buffalo to help cement some chemistry. Liking that Foster has been there working the whole offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: That's really interesting the relationship the 2 Allens and Darnold seem to have after working together last offseason. Darnold and Allen seem to have developed a genuine friendship like Kelly and Marino... let's just hope we're the bigger beneficiaries of all this work. On a side note, I'm wondering if/when Allen is going to get together with his WRs (new and old) to continue to develop chemistry. I like the idea of "cementing" his mechanics the way Palmer says, but I'd like to see Josh get together with Foster/Zay/Brown in Buffalo to help cement some chemistry. Liking that Foster has been there working the whole offseason. That's apparently tomorrow though I don't know if any of the new ones will be there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Warcodered said: That's apparently tomorrow though I don't know if any of the new ones will be there. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: On a side note, I'm wondering if/when Allen is going to get together with his WRs (new and old) to continue to develop chemistry. I like the idea of "cementing" his mechanics the way Palmer says, but I'd like to see Josh get together with Foster/Zay/Brown in Buffalo to help cement some chemistry. Liking that Foster has been there working the whole offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: That's apparently tomorrow though I don't know if any of the new ones will be there. 1 minute ago, One Buffalo said: Good stuff! Love it! Thanks! 2 questions: Could Brown and Beasely tag along? Who is Victor Bolden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, One Buffalo said: Why do fans always get so excited about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, WhyteDwarf said: Why do fans always get so excited about this? These players do not have to use their free time to do this. The fact that they do shows a commitment to getting better. Its bizarre that you wouldn't understand why fans see this as something to be excited about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 1:12 AM, NJKBillsfan said: Does it really do anything? Allen worked out with Palmer last off-season and pretty much had all the same flaws as he did at Wyoming. Dude Take a lap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: These players do not have to use their free time to do this. The fact that they do shows a commitment to getting better. Its bizarre that you wouldn't understand why fans see this as something to be excited about. Has it ever given the Bills a leg up, more wins? Don't pretty much all QB's and WR's do this EVERY off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Why do fans always get so excited about this? For reasons that you obviously will NEVER understand 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, WhyteDwarf said: Has it ever given the Bills a leg up, more wins? Don't pretty much all QB's and WR's do this EVERY off season? Some do, some don't. Why the constant skepticism? Does it affect you personally that people get happy about things? Why the need to make people unhappy? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Why do fans always get so excited about this? Every time I see you post all I can see is 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Some do, some don't. Why the constant skepticism? Does it affect you personally that people get happy about things? Why the need to make people unhappy? Just asking the question. The off season around here has been the same broken record over and over again. Fans getting duped by the same stuff, don't get it, it's why I'm asking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Has it ever given the Bills a leg up, more wins? Don't pretty much all QB's and WR's do this EVERY off season? Would you rather they not do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Juice_32 said: Would you rather they not do it? They are pretty much expected to do it, are they not? I ofc know the coaches cannot demand it of them, but c'mon. It's a bit transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said: Just asking the question. The off season around here has been the same broken record over and over again. Fans getting duped by the same stuff, don't get it, it's why I'm asking. actually i don't think it has been the same broken record over and over again. different players under different circumstances of different ages and different skillsets to discuss. you are free to disengage. and if fans are being 'duped' it's by sports in general. not single team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said: They are pretty much expected to do it, are they not? I ofc know the coaches cannot demand it of them, but c'mon. It's a bit transparent. Actually no in fact they are NOT expected to do it....much like how Robert Foster is not expected to live in buffalo in the offseason working on his game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, dickleyjones said: actually i don't think it has been the same broken record over and over again. different players under different circumstances of different ages and different skillsets to discuss. you are free to disengage. and if fans are being 'duped' it's by sports in general. not single team. Oh, I am not claiming it's a single team/fanbase. But during training camp, no matter what team anyone is talking about on NFL network or the like, it's about how this QB, and those receivers worked on their own in the off season showing work ethic blah blah blah blah blah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said: Oh, I am not claiming it's a single team/fanbase. But during training camp, no matter what team anyone is talking about on NFL network or the like, it's about how this QB, and those receivers worked on their own in the off season showing work ethic blah blah blah blah blah! Yes oddly enough on a sports team forum we talk about what the players are doing during the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Warcodered said: Yes oddly enough on a sports team forum we talk about what the players are doing during the offseason. And Allen working out with the WR's is great news! It must mean the franchise is turning a corner and will start winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: They are pretty much expected to do it, are they not? I ofc know the coaches cannot demand it of them, but c'mon. It's a bit transparent. So, is that a yes or a no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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