CoudyBills Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, PurpLegacy said: If someone is making $54k annually and has a $500/month auto loan they deserve all the financial hardships they encounter. No argument here. I think the majority of financial issues are self-inflicted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, unbillievable said: The second you make it the public's responsibility, is the day the government mandates exercise. Freedom is a sausage mcmuffin. With cheese. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Hmm...everytime I see a lineman who is retired they look like a shell of themselves and have lost like 50-70 lbs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Hmm...everytime I see a lineman who is retired they look like a shell of themselves and have lost like 50-70 lbs... usually they have gained another 100 in a sad where are they now newspiece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, mead107 said: Eric Woods has lost 60 lbs. He's wasting away and nobody cares enough to send stromboli even.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: not when you have torn your knees and honestly cannot exercise Do you have any idea how much food they have to eat to maintane that weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 16 hours ago, unbillievable said: Freedom is a sausage mcmuffin. 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: He's wasting away and nobody cares enough to send stromboli even.? He needs to show up to Hammer's lot then........there's plenty there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 This is a problem for everyone, not just ex-NFL players. Eat less/better and/or exercise more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: He's wasting away and nobody cares enough to send stromboli even.? He had Stromboli this Fall when he was in Hammers. I have a picture to prove it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Beings that I own and operate my own 24/7 access fitness facility with around 250 active members and have been working, personally, with everyone from high school and lower level college athletes to senior citizens that can barely move for a little less than a decade(still not very long in the grand scheme) now I think i'm finally gonna chime in here..... As always with fitness, its a topic that everyone thinks they know about, but few actually do. This isn't nearly as complex as some are making it sound in here. maintaining fairly nutrient dense eating habits and practicing moderation wont break your bank. In fact, for the topic at hand(obesity/weight loss) I would argue we can throw healthy food out of the equation. Science is finally catching up with fitness over the last 10-15 years and dispelling numerous myths. but what its really done is show us ONE thing. weight loss or weight gain is due to one main factor. CALORIES IN VS CALORIES OUT. END OF STORY. Now all calories are not created equal and I wouldn't advise anyone to go out and get them all from fast food. but the bottom line is if you keep track of what you are eating. if you account for it. and you end up at a caloric deficit at the end of the day...…. you will lose weight(barring some odd medical conditions or outliers) they offer free(YES FREE) apps to track this sort of thing. MyFitnessPal is one that I set every single one of my clients up with during our first session. its INVALUABLE for my wrestlers all year round, as I refuse to work with any that still maintain the old school mentality of how to lose weight before the season starts. as for these beaten and battered men not being able to move to exercise? I don't buy it. I refuse to. the amount of people that have come to me barely being able to move from prior injuries that now have something that at least comes close to a normal movement pattern is a long list. senior citizens with artificial knees to athletes looking to further rehab and strengthen themselves. there are plenty of non-impact machines in my facility and many more state of the art machines in corporately owned ones that can afford much more than I can. not to mention a ridiculously long list of non-impact movements that can be performed with minimal equipment. all it takes is educating ones self, people. the info is out there.... and finding yourself a reliable fitness professional with a clean track record of HEALTHY MOVING individuals in his/her wake. when people move well, they feel well. people that feel well move more. move more and results usually follow..... these players most likely have the money and resources to educate themselves or find somebody that with the proper credentials to help them. I have a hard time feeling like they are completely helpless. In summation. its not "rocket surgery". EDUCATE, ACCOUNTABILITY, MODERATE..... just those 3 words can transform somebodies body. (this isn't for somebody trying to get into elite physical form for a stage or field of play. we are talking about weight loss here) Edited January 18, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, CoudyBills said: For a family of 4 that equates to a $600.00 a month food bill. I would dare say half the US population might find that difficult. Average household incomes about 54k currently, or roughly 3k bring home a month. considering the rampant consumerism in this country you have to factor in the $500 auto loan, $200 credit card payment, $1200 for housing, $150 for cell phones, $100 for cable, $350 for gas, $100 into a savings account, $400 for food maybe. people have their budgets all jacked up. or they just don't do one. again, beans, rice, corn, carrots, lentils, cabbage, potatoes, oats, barley, etc. are some of the cheapest and best foods. there is a better point you could make; there is a correlation between poverty and obesity in this country.....i.e our country is so awesome our poor people are fat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Do you have any idea how much food they have to eat to maintane that weight. you are stuck at 350 and your heart and organs don't have that much time left, as well your metabolism (should) slow down your are fat and then one morning you become fat 3 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: The fact that they exercise every day like athletes, and force feed themselves to stay big boys. Says a lot about their genetics. I imagine guys like Woods really had to pack in food to maintain a C's weight and fight against their natural metabolism, whereas most big boys probably have made it all the way up the NFL ranks because they have the metabolism genes to maintain that weight with relative ease even while practicing football every day. Not hard to imagine what happens when football goes for a lot of these guys. They likely don't have the natural metabolism of the average adult. It's gotta be harder than what most of the posters are anecdotally saying how to fight obesity. It's still a battle of wills at the end of the day but it's much harder for some than others (in some cases almost impossibly hard) i knew some who were naturally that massive and others who had to bulk up and use substances to gain and maintain the extra heft to keep playing it's not healthy to pack on excess weight, it's kind of okay if you are physically active, but once you stop your window for reducing has to diminish quickly carrying over 300 while in athletic shape with good knees at 25 is not the same as knees shot and out of shape and the same weight at 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Doc said: This is a problem for everyone, not just ex-NFL players. Eat less/better and/or exercise more. i agree in principle with what you're saying, but 2 points by "eating less" to lose weight a distinction should be drawn between calories and volume. the average person eats between 3-5 pounds of food daily, you can still eat that much food and reduce calories. the best way to do that is to up your vegetable intake. the importance of this distinction is because of the satiation created by stretch receptors in the stomach. in other words, your stomach needs volume to trigger a feeling of satisfaction in the brain. exercise isn't great for weight loss. it is healthy, but if your goal is to lose weight, diet is a better solution. the reason for this is that exercise burns your energy stores which triggers hunger. you will typically eat more calories than you burned. so, yes, burning calories creates a deficit (which is good for losing weight) but you eat more because of the triggered hunger, net more calories. the human body is efficient when it comes to burning calories through movement. i think a 200 pound person burns one oreo cookies worth of energy going up 26 flights of stairs. Edited January 18, 2019 by Shortchaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 16 hours ago, stony said: Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Probably an organic or non-GMO hippy. It's cheaper to buy and eat whole foods, way cheaper. So, you're doing something wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, row_33 said: you are stuck at 350 and your heart and organs don't have that much time left, as well your metabolism (should) slow down your are fat and then one morning you become fat curious why you think metabolism would go down with weight going up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I'm saying maybe the owners should share it, not the players dividing up the smaller slice of the larger pie they created over other leagues. Any ordinary profession that received the same earnings per revenue generated would.. find a new profession or riot lol. But whatever, I agree, they certainly make more than enough money to manage obesity. Money's not a problem for this subject. Is that what Apple does? GM? Salvatore's Pizza? What other profession or business is rolling profits into higher wages on the regular? Certainly not the NBA or MLB... As the revenue in the goes up every year, the cap goes up. So what you are describing is already happening in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Probably an organic or non-GMO hippy. It's cheaper to buy and eat whole foods, way cheaper. So, you're doing something wrong... Swing and a miss. Please explain to me how buying fresh fish a few times per week is cheap. I do prefer buying local meats, especially poultry, so if that makes me a hippy, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Is that what Apple does? GM? Salvatore's Pizza? What other profession or business is rolling profits into higher wages on the regular? Certainly not the NBA or MLB... As the revenue in the goes up every year, the cap goes up. So what you are describing is already happening in the NFL. Well of course that's what apple does. They don't have a monopoly on the labor demand for professional engineers. But as far as sports teams go I'm simply saying NFL makes the most, yet players (collectively) get a smaller portions of the pie relative to other Leagues. Yet their jobs are much more dangerous than an an NBA player. That just sucks. I know they have a fun job we would do for practically free and all but athletes are worth so damn much I'll stand on my soap box and say they should get a larger pie relative to owners. If this was cricket with no CTE, Obesity (although that's one of the sillier dangers), I wouldn't mind them getting less % of NFL revenue. But football players damn well deserve more than baseball or basketball based on their relative danger compared to other popular sports. I'd simply argue for a lucrative pension plan to cover future medical costs as they wrack up medical bills and inevitably mostly blow their money out of stupidity. Certainly a strong long term disability insurance plan really. Mostly a privatized insurance industry not given by employers but very applicable to NFL players above most all team sports. Edited January 18, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Sorry, but the obesity portion of this article is a case of people who were once disciplined becoming undisciplined. They insinuate that eating habits meant to keep people bigger is the NFL's fault for wanting larger players. There is no mention of the fact that people who work out for hours a day and eat a certain amount cannot stop working out and keep eating that same amount and not expect to be in terrible physical shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, ndirish1978 said: There is no mention of the fact that people who work out for hours a day and eat a certain amount cannot stop working out and keep eating that same amount and not expect to be in terrible physical shape. That's how I gained weight in my 40's. I don't blame my employer, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Shortchaz said: again, beans, rice, corn, carrots, lentils, cabbage, potatoes, oats, barley, etc. are some of the cheapest and best foods. there is a better point you could make; there is a correlation between poverty and obesity in this country.....i.e our country is so awesome our poor people are fat Right. I wasn't trying to say people are to poor to eat healthy. More along the lines of people don't prioritize properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 23 hours ago, notwoz said: Because we don't care about them once they leave the league. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/sports/football/the-nfls-obesity-scourge.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage So after they retire they become normal ‘mericans. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I hope the NFLPA makes resources available to these linemen to help them with their weight and health. The NFL Players are rare talents that have a lot of leverage with their employer. The union that represents them needs to look out for the health of retired players. To the fans you are a piece of meat and to the league you are a line item. Its up to the union to look out for retired players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 hours ago, row_33 said: you are stuck at 350 and your heart and organs don't have that much time left, as well your metabolism (should) slow down your are fat and then one morning you become fat i knew some who were naturally that massive and others who had to bulk up and use substances to gain and maintain the extra heft to keep playing it's not healthy to pack on excess weight, it's kind of okay if you are physically active, but once you stop your window for reducing has to diminish quickly carrying over 300 while in athletic shape with good knees at 25 is not the same as knees shot and out of shape and the same weight at 35 You know any Lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Bill Burr rightly summed this up. It really is, almost all the time, a question of will. Nobody is being force fed. A friend of mine has a fat kid, he can't figure it out. The kid doesn't buy his own food. Not a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Watching Bill Maher tonight, it appears that Marshawn Lynch is getting a jump start on his (re)-retirement shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 7:22 PM, Mr. WEO said: Underpaid?? They are getting paid a ton of money to play a game. 10% of american adults are morbidly obese---thats at lest 37 million people! Do you know how many of them who have made a million or more in a year? The answer is zero--none of them. Morbid obesity is a very treatable disease, but as with any such disease, a patient has to seek treatment....and then always be compliant with treating a chronic disease such as this. How many of them generate the revenue NFL players do? To be honest, I'm not sympathetic to most of the obese. They ride those dumb little carts at the grocery store, they get handicap stickers when they should actually be required to park at the furthest spots from the store. Society enables them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 7:06 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .."The Fridge" is a terribly sad story.....then you see other linemen who once retired, returned to a more normal weight....guess it is up to the individual...... True, but once you add those extra pounds, it gets so much harder to take them off. Not only that, but as my doctor says, "Taking the extra pounds off is the easy part. Keeping them off is a real challenge. Your body naturally seeks it's highest weight." I should add that taking the extra pounds off isn't easy at all. I lost nearly 50 lbs within the last 2 years and put it all back on. I had to just stay hungry all the time to lose that weight. It was driving me crazy being so hungry all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Well of course that's what apple does. They don't have a monopoly on the labor demand for professional engineers. But as far as sports teams go I'm simply saying NFL makes the most, yet players (collectively) get a smaller portions of the pie relative to other Leagues. Yet their jobs are much more dangerous than an an NBA player. That just sucks. I know they have a fun job we would do for practically free and all but athletes are worth so damn much I'll stand on my soap box and say they should get a larger pie relative to owners. If this was cricket with no CTE, Obesity (although that's one of the sillier dangers), I wouldn't mind them getting less % of NFL revenue. But football players damn well deserve more than baseball or basketball based on their relative danger compared to other popular sports. I'd simply argue for a lucrative pension plan to cover future medical costs as they wrack up medical bills and inevitably mostly blow their money out of stupidity. Certainly a strong long term disability insurance plan really. Mostly a privatized insurance industry not given by employers but very applicable to NFL players above most all team sports. The NFL doesn't have a monopoly on college athletes. NFL teams pay more than 53 players at a time. By your logic, each of them generates far less revenue per player than any NBA or MLB player NFL players, like all employed people, are free to contribute to a retirement fund for themselves. No company compensates former employees who squandered their earnings. Cops, people in the armed services (as examples of an endless list of actually underpaid employees) deserve more money than guys who live a celebrity lifestyle to play a game. Everybody who chooses any job knows what the risks and benefits are--and they make their choice. NFL players realize this is their best option (by far) and they know that very few of them will suffer a higher rate of neurological disease than the general public. So that's really not something they (as opposed to other jobs that entail far greater risk) should be compensated for. 10 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: How many of them generate the revenue NFL players do? The NFL generates income. Edited January 19, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, billsintaiwan said: Bill Burr rightly summed this up. It really is, almost all the time, a question of will. Nobody is being force fed. A friend of mine has a fat kid, he can't figure it out. The kid doesn't buy his own food. Not a mystery. You brought up Bill Burr but didn’t use his best line? “Stick some ***** lettuce in there once in awhile” Edited January 19, 2019 by CommonCents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Shortchaz said: i agree in principle with what you're saying, but 2 points by "eating less" to lose weight a distinction should be drawn between calories and volume. the average person eats between 3-5 pounds of food daily, you can still eat that much food and reduce calories. the best way to do that is to up your vegetable intake. the importance of this distinction is because of the satiation created by stretch receptors in the stomach. in other words, your stomach needs volume to trigger a feeling of satisfaction in the brain. exercise isn't great for weight loss. it is healthy, but if your goal is to lose weight, diet is a better solution. the reason for this is that exercise burns your energy stores which triggers hunger. you will typically eat more calories than you burned. so, yes, burning calories creates a deficit (which is good for losing weight) but you eat more because of the triggered hunger, net more calories. the human body is efficient when it comes to burning calories through movement. i think a 200 pound person burns one oreo cookies worth of energy going up 26 flights of stairs. Yeah, that's why I included "better" which can encompass a lot of things. As for exercise, true and again it's a matter of controlling what you eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, GreggTX said: True, but once you add those extra pounds, it gets so much harder to take them off. Not only that, but as my doctor says, "Taking the extra pounds off is the easy part. Keeping them off is a real challenge. Your body naturally seeks it's highest weight." I should add that taking the extra pounds off isn't easy at all. I lost nearly 50 lbs within the last 2 years and put it all back on. I had to just stay hungry all the time to lose that weight. It was driving me crazy being so hungry all the time. ...great point......put on an extra 50 caring for my late wife and putting myself aside....trying to get serious about losing it but it is going to be tough at age 65.....just bought a new Bowflex and exercise bike and need to get after it along with treadmill....can't wait any longer for my water to break.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 so much condescension here for some of the games best players. Calling a HOFer like Willie Roaf undisciplined is the height of arrogance. Maybe all you cat callers should upload pictures of your perfect physiques. This sport takes prisoners and destroys peoples' bodies. It is doomed. Enjoy it while you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Please separate the discussion of NFL from the general discussion on obesity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I"m finding that the hardest part about losing weight as I get older is the strain it's putting on my body. I haven't been able to go more than a few weeks before I develop some type of injury, usually foot/knee/shoulder related that prevents me from continuing to exercise. Then I take time to let it heal and lose motivation to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, stuvian said: so much condescension here for some of the games best players. Calling a HOFer like Willie Roaf undisciplined is the height of arrogance. Maybe all you cat callers should upload pictures of your perfect physiques. This sport takes prisoners and destroys peoples' bodies. It is doomed. Enjoy it while you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 52 minutes ago, stuvian said: so much condescension here for some of the games best players. Calling a HOFer like Willie Roaf undisciplined is the height of arrogance. Maybe all you cat callers should upload pictures of your perfect physiques. This sport takes prisoners and destroys peoples' bodies. It is doomed. Enjoy it while you can. If i had a Big Mac for every time someone predicted the end of the NFL, I would be Willie Roaf's size. Meanwhile, guys like Jeff Saturday and Eric Wood are wasting away after the NFL. Someone should feed them what these other guys are eating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, unbillievable said: I"m finding that the hardest part about losing weight as I get older is the strain it's putting on my body. I haven't been able to go more than a few weeks before I develop some type of injury, usually foot/knee/shoulder related that prevents me from continuing to exercise. Then I take time to let it heal and lose motivation to continue. Yup never pay attention to the advice from people who are too young to have a clue about the realities of aging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: If i had a Big Mac for every time someone predicted the end of the NFL, I would be Willie Roaf's size. Meanwhile, guys like Jeff Saturday and Eric Wood are wasting away after the NFL. Someone should feed them what these other guys are eating... If you’re going to have that conversation you need to mention Joe Thomas. He looked great just a few months after hanging up the cleats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: NFL teams pay more than 53 players at a time. By your logic, each of them generates far less revenue per player than any NBA or MLB player I've been careful to say the entire collective group of NFL athletes get paid less than NBA and MLB athletes as a percentage of revenue. It's really the only league I'd argue justifies getting paid more and having more guaranteed than the other major leagues due to health risks. Taking into account how they compare with compensation to other leagues and the relative danger they play through, they just have a crappy union. I'm not going to keep going back to pretending professional athletes are in the same stratosphere to other professions. It's obviously a very different life style. Just comparing them with other professional team sports leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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