MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Link Below. A federal judge in New York blocked the Trump administration Tuesday from adding a question about citizenship to the 2020 United States Census. U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman said that while a citizenship question is constitutional, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross failed to follow the correct procedure to include it in the forthcoming census. “Secretary Ross’s decision to add a citizenship question in the 2020 census — even if it did not violate the Constitution itself — was unlawful for a multitude of independent reasons and must be set aside,” Furman wrote in his 277-page opinion. “To conclude otherwise and let Secretary Ross’s decision stand would undermine the proposition — central to the rule of law — that ours is a government of laws, not of men.” The question which Ross sought to add reads: “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” A question of such nature has not appeared on the census since 1950. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/15/judge-orders-removal-citizenship-question-census/ Of course, this Judge was appointed by Obama in 2011 and his brother worked in the Obama administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_M._Furman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Judge declines to block citizenship question from the 2020 census on privacy grounds A federal judge ruled late Friday she is unconvinced of an immediate need to block a citizenship question from the 2020 census over privacy concerns. US District Judge Dabney Friedrich declined to issue a preliminary injunction requested by a privacy and civil liberties nonprofit group, the Electronic Privacy Information Center. </snip> 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 ? shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 The Supreme Court just granted cert. in the case about adding a question about citizenship to the 2020 census. Robert Barnes reports at WaPo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 A 277 page opinion? Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, KD in CA said: A 277 page opinion? Good grief. Must have been written by @OCinBuffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Must have been written by @OCinBuffalo. Did it have a lot of emojis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, KRC said: Did it have a lot of emojis? No, but the judge referred to himself 1067 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, grinreaper said: No, but the judge referred to himself 1067 times. 782 of those self-references were claims that the judge owned DC Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 12:42 PM, Koko78 said: 782 of those self-references were claims that the judge owned DC Tom. Please. I have owned Tom, as a wholly owned subsidiary, in so many threads, and you know know this. The simple fact is the kid needs to wait until the thought leaders speak, and then find fault. Doubt me? I came here to start 2 new threads...and we shall see exactly what he contributes: substantively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 .....does anybody know who started censuses and what exactly their purpose was? Answer, the Romans. Other answer, to determine citizenship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, The_Dude said: .....does anybody know who started censuses and what exactly their purpose was? Answer, the Romans. Other answer, to determine citizenship. Those Romans could do anything: https://www.getroman.com/?campaign=TM-GetRoman&medium=cpc&msclkid=59d3dbeeba2414a8f78e87657f67f5c2&ro_a={creative}&ro_c=267633122&ro_ch=cpc&ro_con=0&ro_d=c&ro_g=1142393070213077&ro_n=o&ro_p=bing&ro_t=kwd-71399973954074%3Aloc-4116&source=bing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 FTA: The federal government appealed the rulings, which led them to the Supreme Court. The government’s argument in front of the justices took place at the end of March, but the ruling should come out at the end of June Insiders claimed that “the case is likely to go in favor of the administration.” From Bloomberg: Key U.S. Supreme Court justices seemed inclined to let the Trump administration add a question about citizenship to the 2020 census in a clash that will shape the allocation of congressional seats and federal dollars. In an 80-minute argument Tuesday that was both technical and combative, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh directed almost all their questions to the lawyers challenging the decision to ask about citizenship. Kavanaugh said Congress gave the Commerce secretary “huge discretion” to decide what to ask on the census. The Democrats forget that “a citizenship question has appeared in some form or another on censuses throughout our history.” President Barack Obama removed these type of questions in 2010. Ken Paxton also noted in his op-ed at The Hill: It is worth noting that the citizenship question does not ask about a person’s legal status; it merely asks about citizenship status and thus has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration enforcement. In fact, federal law prevents census data from being used for anything other than statistical analysis. That is the law and there is no evidence any agency intends to violate it. But Orange Man Bad. https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/trump-invokes-executive-privilege-over-census-documents-sought-by-oversight-committee/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: It is worth noting that the citizenship question does not ask about a person’s legal status; it merely asks about citizenship status and thus has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration enforcement. In fact, federal law prevents census data from being used for anything other than statistical analysis. That is the law and there is no evidence any agency intends to violate it. But Orange Man Bad. https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/trump-invokes-executive-privilege-over-census-documents-sought-by-oversight-committee/ Bah, when has the truth ever mattered to the left when there's histrionics to be had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 The 14th Amendment seems to imply that the Federal government is required to have a count of citizens within each state. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 12:24 PM, grinreaper said: No, but the judge referred to himself 1067 times. Obama appointee? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, row_33 said: Obama appointee? OC got a judgeship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 17 hours ago, B-Man said: It is worth noting that the citizenship question does not ask about a person’s legal status; it merely asks about citizenship status and thus has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration enforcement. In fact, federal law prevents census data from being used for anything other than statistical analysis. That is the law and there is no evidence any agency intends to violate it. Was this ever in question? Census forms are anonymized. You could use the data for deportation if you wanted...but you'd have to do the matching across seven different databases just to generate the court filings for the detainment orders that would never be enforced. It'd be a hell of a lot of work for no purpose. It'd be far easier to just deport DACA filers for being here illegally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 18 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The 14th Amendment seems to imply that the Federal government is required to have a count of citizens within each state. well... they don't like it so they think it should be overturned, BAM!!, just like that.... 21 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Was this ever in question? Census forms are anonymized. You could use the data for deportation if you wanted...but you'd have to do the matching across seven different databases just to generate the court filings for the detainment orders that would never be enforced. It'd be a hell of a lot of work for no purpose. It'd be far easier to just deport DACA filers for being here illegally. i worked census for a few summer jobs, and people HATE!!!!! the concept and filling out the form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: well... they don't like it so they think it should be overturned, BAM!!, just like that.... i worked census for a few summer jobs, and people HATE!!!!! the concept and filling out the form. If it came to it, I'd be the one they ask to generate the deportation list. But it won't come to it, because "Are you a citizen (Y/N)?" is an absolutely lousy starting point for that list. There are about thirty different programs under which a non-citizen can reside here legally (a few off the top of my head...TPS, VAWA, green card, diplomats, foreign journalists, students, ship crews, au pairs, work visas, actors and artists.) The idea that "Are you a citizen?" is in any way a practical starting point for any sort of anti-immigrant effort is ludicrous pap for the simple-minded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, DC Tom said: If it came to it, I'd be the one they ask to generate the deportation list. But it won't come to it, because "Are you a citizen (Y/N)?" is an absolutely lousy starting point for that list. There are about thirty different programs under which a non-citizen can reside here legally (a few off the top of my head...TPS, VAWA, green card, diplomats, foreign journalists, students, ship crews, au pairs, work visas, actors and artists.) The idea that "Are you a citizen?" is in any way a practical starting point for any sort of anti-immigrant effort is ludicrous pap for the simple-minded. they don't listen to reason they kneejerk react and that settles it for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 i see where the ACLU has asked the Supreme Court to delay ruling on the issue of whether or not to include the citizenship question. they are saying it is part of a larger conspiracy to increase Republican political power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Foxx said: i see where the ACLU has asked the Supreme Court to delay ruling on the issue of whether or not to include the citizenship question. they are saying it is part of a larger conspiracy to increase Republican political power. And they're transparently asking the Court to delay the decision until it's too late to print. I'd actually argue the court should wait, even at the risk of not including it in the 2020 census...IF the administration wasn't simply restoring a question the Obama Administration unilaterally decided to remove in 2010, which wasn't causing any harm before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: i see where the ACLU has asked the Supreme Court to delay ruling on the issue of whether or not to include the citizenship question. they are saying it is part of a larger conspiracy to increase Republican political power. So assigning congressional seats and electoral votes based on the population of eligible voters in each state is in the mind of the ACLU, a conspiracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: So assigning congressional seats and electoral votes based on the population of eligible voters in each state is in the mind of the ACLU, a conspiracy. to the pure in heart, all things are pure to the Dems, all things are a conspiracy worse than the one they are hatching, tough way to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And they're transparently asking the Court to delay the decision until it's too late to print. I'd actually argue the court should wait, even at the risk of not including it in the 2020 census...IF the administration wasn't simply restoring a question the Obama Administration unilaterally decided to remove in 2010, which wasn't causing any harm before then. well, the removal is what arguably caused harm. as keepthefaith alluded to, congressional seats are based upon eligible voters not simply the population. which in turn makes the ACLU's argument ridicules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Guess we will know tomorrow ... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Quote WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court sent the Trump administration's request to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census back to a lower court Thursday, giving challengers another chance to block it. The ruling by Chief Justice John Roberts and joined at least in part by the other justices questioned the rationale for the administration's effort, just as challenging states and immigrant rights groups have done. "The evidence tells a story that does not match the explanation (Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross) gave for his decision," Roberts wrote. "The sole stated reason seems to have been contrived." Polite way of saying they are f'n lying https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/27/2020-census-citizenship-question-supreme-court-avoids-trump-request/1289738001/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 ######ed. The obvious reason is obvious... You can't count your citizens unless you know if they're citizens! Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 12:32 PM, MILFHUNTER#518 said: JUDGE BLOCKS TRUMP FROM ADDING CITIZENSHIP QUESTION TO 2020 CENSUS WHY ARE WE TYPING IN CAPS? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Why would any legal resident or citizen be discouraged from reporting their status on a document designed to tally the number of citizens living in the country for representative and funding purposes? Oh... right... it's not about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) In Convoluted Ruling, SCOTUS Blocks Citizenship Question On Census This is very complicated and I’m not going to try to describe in detail every aspect of the decision. There were multiple parts to this and multiple votes on those parts. The short of it is that SCOTUS ruled that the question itself is constitutional and does not violate the Census Act, but they also ruled that the Commerce Department did not give a sufficient explanation during judicial review, therefore, they can’t use the question. The partial dissent pointed out the obvious problem with ruling something constitutional and then arbitrarily deciding it can’t be done anyway. While theoretically, Commerce could just come up with a more fleshed out explanation and probably win the case, the timing of all this makes it unlikely. Printing has to start this month and it’s unlikely a lower court would rush a decision. .https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/06/27/breaking-scotus-blocks-citizenship-question-census/ Edited June 27, 2019 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: WHY ARE WE TYPING IN CAPS? WHAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Edited June 27, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Another power grab CHECKED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Ok, so I don't understand this ruling. As I am reading it, according to the SC, Wilbur Ross (the Trump Administration) has every right to ask the citizenship question on the census, but that the administration has to go back to a lower court so they can justify why they have every right to ask this question? Am I missing something? Edited June 27, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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