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Allen is NOT inaccurate unless Baker, Lamar, Darnold, Rosen, 2017 Watson & 2016 Wentz are, too

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I'm totally sick of hearing about Lamar Jackson and Rosen.  They are worse than Allen.  Particularly, when I hear that Rosen had a "bad supporting cast."   He has a HOF WR who is still productive, a great rookie WR, and a pro-bowl RB.  

 

 

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14 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

I'm totally sick of hearing about Lamar Jackson and Rosen.  They are worse than Allen.  Particularly, when I hear that Rosen had a "bad supporting cast."   He has a HOF WR who is still productive, a great rookie WR, and a pro-bowl RB.  

 

Well amazingly the Cardinals GM was pretty non-committal about Rosen being the Cardinals QB next year when asked before the combine.

 

"...right now..." sure isn't a huge vote of confidence.

 

What a royal screw up that will turn out to be if they draft a QB #1. :doh:

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9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Well amazingly the Cardinals GM was pretty non-committal about Rosen being the Cardinals QB next year when asked before the combine.

 

"...right now..." sure isn't a huge vote of confidence.

 

What a royal screw up that will turn out to be if they draft a QB #1. :doh:

 

If I'm the Cardinals, and I think Murray is better than Rosen, I take him #1 and try to trade Rosen somewhere for a 1st.   Perhaps the Giants? 

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Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

If I'm the Cardinals, and I think Murray is better than Rosen, I take him #1 and try to trade Rosen somewhere for a 1st.   Perhaps the Giants? 

 

I doubt you're getting a 1 for Rosen at this point; it's just not a strong endorsement that teams weren't in a hurry to get him last year, and the GM that drafted him is already looking to move on from him.

 

I also don't see the Giants, who could've had Rosen, but instead took a RB at #2 overall, giving up the #6 overall pick this year--a pick where they will very likely have their choice of the 2nd QB off the board.

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In the era of things like the Internet, cell phones, drive through liquor stores, etc, etc where we expect anything we want to be at our fingertips right now, I suppose it's to be expected that a team would draft a QB top ten one year and give up on himafter one season.

 

Rosen will be fine I think with time.  But why not replace him with a midget QB that could run towards MLB whenever he wants?

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Their best bet for a trade partner would be a team like New Orleans or NE, where they are going for it all this year and can afford to let Rosen sit a year

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5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I doubt you're getting a 1 for Rosen at this point; it's just not a strong endorsement that teams weren't in a hurry to get him last year, and the GM that drafted him is already looking to move on from him.

 

I also don't see the Giants, who could've had Rosen, but instead took a RB at #2 overall, giving up the #6 overall pick this year--a pick where they will very likely have their choice of the 2nd QB off the board.

 

will be interesting to see.  Barkley is/was a stud.  Too good to pass-up.   But your right, the QB2 this year is likely better than Rosen.  Perhaps the Jags, who need an immediate player, and Rosen has the 1 year of experience to step-in day 1.  Or the Dolphins.  That would be fun.  

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8 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I doubt you're getting a 1 for Rosen at this point; it's just not a strong endorsement that teams weren't in a hurry to get him last year, and the GM that drafted him is already looking to move on from him.

 

I also don't see the Giants, who could've had Rosen, but instead took a RB at #2 overall, giving up the #6 overall pick this year--a pick where they will very likely have their choice of the 2nd QB off the board.

 

If the Cardinals are already shopping Rosen, no way in HELL do they get a 1 for him!

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Here's a hypothetical: if Josh Allen was in the draft this year, would he go number 1? Would the Cards trade Rosen and take him, or would another team give up a bundle to trade up to number 1 and snag him?

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On 3/1/2019 at 5:16 PM, RobbRiddick said:

Here's a hypothetical: if Josh Allen was in the draft this year, would he go number 1? Would the Cards trade Rosen and take him, or would another team give up a bundle to trade up to number 1 and snag him?

 

It's possible.

 

Both Murray, who is predicted to go #1 this year, and Allen have or were big questions marks as to whether or no they will work out in the NFL. But the elite skills are tangible for both.

 

Murray's college resume was elite where as Allen's was not. I think that would prevent a team like the Cards to move off of a former 1st round pick the year prior to take a QB like Allen. 

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On 3/1/2019 at 3:16 PM, RobbRiddick said:

Here's a hypothetical: if Josh Allen was in the draft this year, would he go number 1? Would the Cards trade Rosen and take him, or would another team give up a bundle to trade up to number 1 and snag him?

 

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

It's possible.

 

Both Murray, who is predicted to go #1 this year, and Allen have or were big questions marks as to whether or no they will work out in the NFL. But the elite skills are tangible for both.

 

Murray's college resume was elite where as Allen's was not. I think that would prevent a team like the Cards to move off of a former 1st round pick the year prior to take a QB like Allen. 

 

Not that this is necessarily meaningful since Murray might replace a guy Jeremiah had graded out better than both him and Mayfield...

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-how-does-kyler-murray-compare-to-josh-allen

“In terms of grades, now this is the grade I had on them coming out, not what they've done. I have Darnold with the highest grade,” Jeremiah said. “Then it was Rosen, then it was Mayfield, and then I gave the same grade to Josh Allen as my fourth quarterback last year as I gave to Kyler Murray this year. So they would be tied for my fourth, and then I would have Haskins would be behind them and then Lamar Jackson would be behind him. So that would be the order I have stacking those guys in with last year's class based purely off the grade.”

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I think Jeremiah and Brooks largely nail why Allen is never going to be tops in the league in completion percentage.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/what-they-re-saying-6-observations-on-the-bills-from-the-nfl-combine

“I think Brandon Beane and that organization is going to be able to go out there and surround him with the talent he needs, that fits what he does well,” says Jeremiah. “In my opinion, that’s getting a track team. Some speed out there. You can run the ball, run the ball, and then with his arm he’ll get big chunks. You don’t need to have 12-14 play drives with Josh Allen—you can eat the same with one bite.”

 

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“The best thing that Josh Allen does is he can throw the ball down the field. You have to find a guy who can be a vertical threat down the field and also be a chain mover.”

 

If you're throwing downfield, they're lower percentage throws naturally.  You can be an accurate passer, but if you're throwing the ball downfield a lot more than your peer group, your completion % is naturally going to take a dip.

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On 2/28/2019 at 9:03 AM, RyanC883 said:

I'm totally sick of hearing about Lamar Jackson and Rosen.  They are worse than Allen.  Particularly, when I hear that Rosen had a "bad supporting cast."   He has a HOF WR who is still productive, a great rookie WR, and a pro-bowl RB.  

 

 

 

If I could give you 1000 trophies for this post I would.  Rosen had a better cast than Allen, yet Allen got more out his worse cast and Rosens team is giving up on it seems after one season.  

 

I would kill to swap receivers and RBs with the Cardinals.  And our OL was just as bad, just that Allen isnt a statue back there and turns on the burners to escape.  

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Ya know... this is the kind of cherry picking that's just irritating:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-trade-rumors-conflicting-reports-emerge-about-potential-bills-trade-as-free-agency-nears/amp/

Antonio Brown trade rumors: Conflicting reports emerge about potential Bills trade as free agency nears

But from Brown's perspective, it'd be impossible to see the reported trade as a win. He'd be going from Big Ben, a future Hall of Famer, to an inaccurate second-year quarterback who looks significantly better as a runner than a passer.

 

 

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Exactly Mr. Beane.... exactly...

 

Courtesy of @stevewin

AS – We know he’s a great athlete, know he has a cannon for an arm.  In your opinion where does he need to get better

BB – It’s his decision making.  I hear the accuracy criticism, I don’t totally agree with that narrative.  It’s the decision making – and what it is is Josh is so competitive and he’s obviously got the arm, that he tries to make throws that a lot of guys can’t make so they don’t try even try it.  That was one of the areas of growth that we ket stressing to him – is it’s OK to take the 5 yd check down and move it to 2nd and 5 instead of trying to squeeze it into the hole 18 -20 yards down the field that’ just lower percentage.  There are times for those but sometimes you just want to possess the ball and keep the chains moving depending on your defense.  There’s times we’re playing a tom Brady we don’t want to score too quick, we ant to keep him on the sidelines.  That’s just a maturity thing.  I’d rather have to pull him back then him be check down Charlie and trying to kick him and ask him to drive it down the field.

 

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Touch goes a long way when you talk about accuracy. Tyree Jackson was putting them on the money at the combine, but he was whipping fastballs on 5 yard routes and he got chewed out for making his WRs drop balls. This is something Allen did consistently his rookie year. To put him in the same class as Mayfield is ridiculous. If the Browns fire Hue before the season they win the division on his shoulders.

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4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Touch goes a long way when you talk about accuracy. Tyree Jackson was putting them on the money at the combine, but he was whipping fastballs on 5 yard routes and he got chewed out for making his WRs drop balls. This is something Allen did consistently his rookie year. To put him in the same class as Mayfield is ridiculous. If the Browns fire Hue before the season they win the division on his shoulders.

No. It is not.

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4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Touch goes a long way when you talk about accuracy. Tyree Jackson was putting them on the money at the combine, but he was whipping fastballs on 5 yard routes and he got chewed out for making his WRs drop balls. This is something Allen did consistently his rookie year. To put him in the same class as Mayfield is ridiculous. If the Browns fire Hue before the season they win the division on his shoulders.

 

Show us a few examples of this consistent fastball-that-an-NFL-WR-can't-catch tendency from Josh's rookie season 

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