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Just Joshin' Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Not an expert but seems like a bad decision. Worth a camp arm for the Bills as UDFA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Just Joshin' said: Not an expert but seems like a bad decision. Worth a camp arm for the Bills as UDFA? I think that’s a possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Yikes. Not a good decision at all IMO. I was not impressed by him this season. I doubt NFL scouts will be either. Poor ball security, benefited from good WR’s. Shouldn’t go any higher than the 5th round. More likely 6,7 or UDFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 He’s not an NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Congrats Tyree. He will become the first UB QB drafted in modern ERA thank you for what you did for the program and best of luck in the future Should get picked around round 5ish Horns up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Wow. Figured he’d try to elevate his status with one more year of college. But that could also backfire based on how his game was trending. Good luck to Tyree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I think it’s a good decision personally. This QB class is so weak that someone is going to take him. Next year’s class looks a lot tougher. This is just a down year for the position. He has raw physical tools. In the mid to late rounds you are probably looking for a “toolsy” prospect instead of a “pro-ready” guy like Peterman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think it’s a good decision personally. This QB class is so weak that someone is going to take him. Next year’s class looks a lot tougher. This is just a down year for the position. He has raw physical tools. In the mid to late rounds you are probably looking for a “toolsy” prospect instead of a “pro-ready” guy like Peterman. Peterman was drafted in the 5th round as an at best backup prospect I see Jackson being drafted lower than Peterman. I wish him the best. He had a good college career but I was disappointed in his last year because he didn't seem to advance his game. That was telling. I wish him the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JohnC said: Peterman was drafted in the 5th round as an at best backup prospect I see Jackson being drafted lower than Peterman. I wish him the best. He had a good college career but I was disappointed in his last year because he didn't seem to advance his game. That was telling. I wish him the best. This class is not good though. If you had a choice to take a guy late that has limited upside or a lottery ticket which way would you go? I’m buying lottery tickets late. I’d much rather draft a guy like Tyree that develops or washes out than a guy that will never be better than bad. You can find a zillion guys on the street to do that if you need it. The Bills added Barkley and Anderson off the street and both were better than Peterman. Don’t bother with guys like him or Levi Brown or Gibran Hamadan. Buy lottery tickets because you can always find a competent back-up. Edited January 6, 2019 by Kirby Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This class is not good though. If you had a choice to take a guy late that has limited upside or a lottery ticket which way would you go? I’m buying lottery tickets late. I’d much rather draft a guy like Tyree that develop or washout than a guy that will never be better than bad. You can find a zillion guys on the street to do that if you need it. The Bills added Barkley and Anderson off the street and both were better than Peterman. Don’t bother with guys like him or Levi Brown or Gibran Hamadan. Buy lottery tickets because you can always find a competent back-up. I have no problem using a fifth round pick on a qb who you believe can be a backup qb in this league. If I am going to use a lottery ticket pick I would use it for another position such as running back or even DB or a small school prospect with tools for those other positions who are more likely to hit the jackpot for you. I'm comfortable in saying that I believe that Peterman will turn out to be drafted higher than Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: I have no problem using a fifth round pick on a qb who you believe can be a backup qb in this league. If I am going to use a lottery ticket pick I would use it for another position such as running back or even DB or a small school prospect with tools for those other positions who are more likely to hit the jackpot for you. I'm comfortable in saying that I believe that Peterman will turn out to be drafted higher than Jackson. We disagree on the backup QB as a draft pick at this point. You can throw a rock and get a guy to fill that role. As an example, if one of these QBs went out now and his team needed a guy they could add Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler or Matt Moore. Every one of those guys is WAY ahead of where a young backup is. You don’t need to waste a late round asset on a low ceiling QB. It is a terrible strategy. Either go for a guy with the tools to eventually play or fill out the back of your roster with guys that will contribution special teams. We will see I guess but I doubt it. It will take one team to look at Jackson’s raw skill set and take a swing on developing him. I’m thinking he goes late 3rd to 4th. He is Cardale Jonesish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We disagree on the backup QB as a draft pick at this point. You can throw a rock and get a guy to fill that role. As an example, if one of these QBs went out now and his team needed a guy they could add Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler or Matt Moore. Every one of those guys is WAY ahead of where a young backup is. You don’t need to waste a late round asset on a low ceiling QB. It is a terrible strategy. Either go for a guy with the tools to eventually play or fill out the back of your roster with guys that will contribution special teams. We will see I guess but I doubt it. It will take one team to look at Jackson’s raw skill set and take a swing on developing him. I’m thinking he goes late 3rd to 4th. He is Cardale Jonesish. Cardale Jones played in a big time program while Jackson didn't. I believe you are over-valuing Jackson's draft status. I stand by my prediction that Jackson will be drafted at a lower spot than Peterman. That's how I see it. Don't get me wrong I wish Jackson the best. Without a doubt he helped elevate the UB program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 CBS Sports says he could be a first rounder: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2019-nfl-draft-buffalo-quarterback-tyree-jackson-latest-play-caller-to-enter-draft-class/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: He’s not an NFL QB. I will say this much...........I think he was more likely to HURT his stock transferring to and playing in the SEC. He's not even SEC ready let alone NFL ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Hope he gets a chance if he really deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Draft Him AND Anthony Johnson... Our QB room consists of a suspect backup, an old and not-so-wily veteran, and a rookie who's development is uncertain. This offense needs to be able to put a different product on the field, in the event the current one flops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Not an expert but seems like a bad decision. Worth a camp arm for the Bills as UDFA? I wouldn't, but good luck to him. But yes on Anthony Johnson. 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I will say this much...........I think he was more likely to HURT his stock transferring to and playing in the SEC. He's not even SEC ready let alone NFL ready. I agree. 2 hours ago, bbb said: CBS Sports says he could be a first rounder: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2019-nfl-draft-buffalo-quarterback-tyree-jackson-latest-play-caller-to-enter-draft-class/ I'd be shocked. I wonder if Todd McShay is consulting him? Edited January 6, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Wish him the best but I think it's a bad decision. Should have just stayed at UB. Would have had 2 young studs coming up in WR room. With one of those rated as one of the highest rated recruits ever at UB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Is it possible the power 5 schools weren't as interested as he thought they'd be? So it kind of forced his hand. He's not very good but seems to think strongly otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 hours ago, JohnC said: Cardale Jones played in a big time program while Jackson didn't. I believe you are over-valuing Jackson's draft status. I stand by my prediction that Jackson will be drafted at a lower spot than Peterman. That's how I see it. Don't get me wrong I wish Jackson the best. Without a doubt he helped elevate the UB program. 8 hours ago, bbb said: CBS Sports says he could be a first rounder: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2019-nfl-draft-buffalo-quarterback-tyree-jackson-latest-play-caller-to-enter-draft-class/ That what happens with raw guys. Someone has an undrafted grade and someone else has a 2nd. How many QBs in this class are better prospects than Jackson? 5 maybe? Haskins, Lock, Jones, maybe Grier and/or Finley? It’s not a lot. I dont think that he goes kn the 1st coming off of a bad year but wouldn’t at all be surprised if he were off the board by the end of day 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, noacls said: Wish him the best but I think it's a bad decision. Should have just stayed at UB. Would have had 2 young studs coming up in WR room. With one of those rated as one of the highest rated recruits ever at UB. Which recruit are you talking about because Malik Brooks was the #1 player committed to UB and a top 70 WR but decomitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Which recruit are you talking about because Malik Brooks was the #1 player committed to UB and a top 70 WR but decomitted The 2 receivers I was talking about were Charlie Jones and Rodney Scott, both redshirt freshman this year. Jones played well early. According to 24/7 Sporrts Scott is UB's 3rd highest rated recruit ever. Sucks they did not get Brooks wonder if he knew Jackson was not going to stay. What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, noacls said: The 2 receivers I was talking about were Charlie Jones and Rodney Scott, both redshirt freshman this year. Jones played well early. According to 24/7 Sporrts Scott is UB's 3rd highest rated recruit ever. Sucks they did not get Brooks wonder if he knew Jackson was not going to stay. What say you? Jones is already ahead of Scott on the DC as of know I’d sY Being a midteir 3* recruit is great but Where you are ranked coming in really has no barring on where you are 2+ years later some kids grind hard and rise , some fall Charlie Jones looks like the low tier 2* kid who busted his butt and will be good.. I love me some Charlie Jones scott has potential but needs to put it all together... Jonahthan Hawkins is the highest rated RB in UB history and is now relegated to 4th-5th string pretty much As for Brooks , ZERO chance it has anything to do with Jackson... he would’ve had 1 year at most with him my feelings are UB thought he was a lock and didn’t make him feel like he was their #1 priority... he is going to Monmouth where they made him feel like “ family “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: That what happens with raw guys. Someone has an undrafted grade and someone else has a 2nd. How many QBs in this class are better prospects than Jackson? 5 maybe? Haskins, Lock, Jones, maybe Grier and/or Finley? It’s not a lot. I dont think that he goes kn the 1st coming off of a bad year but wouldn’t at all be surprised if he were off the board by the end of day 2. Here's Brad Riter: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, bbb said: Here's Brad Riter: Well he’s smoking the good stuff. No scout in their right mind has a Day1 grade on this kid. I’m the biggest UB supporter you’ll find but I’m not gonna lie and say he’s a future star He has tons of issues , I wouldn’t take him in the top 100 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Well he’s smoking the good stuff. No scout in their right mind has a Day1 grade on this kid. I’m the biggest UB supporter you’ll find but I’m not gonna lie and say he’s a future star He has tons of issues , I wouldn’t take him in the top 100 I see him somewhere between about 90-150. That is certainly subject to change though (especially for such a flawed prospect). There will be a huge variance on team’s boards when it comes to Jackson just like there was with Josh. Some teams will look at Tyree Jackson as a day 2 guy with huge upside and others will see a player that shouldn’t be drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Wow. With UB gaining national press I watched a number of games this season and this guy has NFL bust written all over him, but in a QB-needy league he has the "prototypical" size teams drool over so I guess we can be prepared to have another team make the EJ Manuel mistake and over-draft him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Well he’s smoking the good stuff. No scout in their right mind has a Day1 grade on this kid. I’m the biggest UB supporter you’ll find but I’m not gonna lie and say he’s a future star He has tons of issues , I wouldn’t take him in the top 100 Most experts I’ve heard, have at most 2 legit QBs and skill players first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: That what happens with raw guys. Someone has an undrafted grade and someone else has a 2nd. How many QBs in this class are better prospects than Jackson? 5 maybe? Haskins, Lock, Jones, maybe Grier and/or Finley? It’s not a lot. I dont think that he goes kn the 1st coming off of a bad year but wouldn’t at all be surprised if he were off the board by the end of day 2. Kirby, I respectfully disagree with where you think Jackson will be drafted. His last year's collegiate performance downgraded his draft prospects. He certainly has impressive tools but he didn't show that he had the recognition ability that is essential for his position. I'm not rooting against him. His prospects for success is more predicated on going to an organization that knows how to develop qbs rather than the round he is drafted. If he went to a team coached by McVay or Shanahan his chances for success would significantly increase. I'm rooting for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The Bills might give him a look as an UDFA simply because his skill-set is similar to Josh's, albeit even more raw. BIg, strong arm, mobile. Overall I don't see this as a good move on his part but will probably end up on someone's practice squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: Kirby, I respectfully disagree with where you think Jackson will be drafted. His last year's collegiate performance downgraded his draft prospects. He certainly has impressive tools but he didn't show that he had the recognition ability that is essential for his position. I'm not rooting against him. His prospects for success is more predicated on going to an organization that knows how to develop qbs rather than the round he is drafted. If he went to a team coached by McVay or Shanahan his chances for success would significantly increase. I'm rooting for him. But you are already seeing the varying opinions. Someone has him in the 1st and someone else has him undrafted. He doesn’t need 32 teams to believe in him. He needs 1. Toolsy prospects ALWAYS get pushed up because of that. His ceiling his high and his floor is really low. FWIW, I don’t like him as a pro prospect. I’m not saying what I would do. I’m saying what I think will happen. I’m thinking between 90-150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: But you are already seeing the varying opinions. Someone has him in the 1st and someone else has him undrafted. He doesn’t need 32 teams to believe in him. He needs 1. Toolsy prospects ALWAYS get pushed up because of that. His ceiling his high and his floor is really low. FWIW, I don’t like him as a pro prospect. I’m not saying what I would do. I’m saying what I think will happen. I’m thinking between 90-150. Quite conceivable that he could be drafted in the same range as a Cardale Jones. Not sure why Brad Riter is CONVINCED he'd be better off staying in college. There's absolutely no way to know what would happen. If I'm a prospect, I'm going pro as soon as someone is willing to pay me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: But you are already seeing the varying opinions. Someone has him in the 1st and someone else has him undrafted. He doesn’t need 32 teams to believe in him. He needs 1. Toolsy prospects ALWAYS get pushed up because of that. His ceiling his high and his floor is really low. FWIW, I don’t like him as a pro prospect. I’m not saying what I would do. I’m saying what I think will happen. I’m thinking between 90-150. Anyone who has Jackson pegged as a first round prospect (not saying you do) should be forever ignored on anything to do with the draft in general. I know I'm jumping the gun but that Clemson freshman qb in a few years is going to be the first pick in the draft. For a freshman he is stunningly good. 12 hours ago, bbb said: Here's Brad Riter: Brad Riter is publicly displaying his ignorance. Should he be mocked or pitied? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: Anyone who has Jackson pegged as a first round prospect (not saying you do) should be forever ignored on anything to do with the draft in general. I know I'm jumping the gun but that Clemson freshman qb in a few years is going to be the first pick in the draft. For a freshman he is stunningly good. Brad Riter is publicly displaying his ignorance. Should he be mocked or pitied? Lawrence is going to be an elite prospect. He just looks like Peyton Manning back there but he can move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: Anyone who has Jackson pegged as a first round prospect (not saying you do) should be forever ignored on anything to do with the draft in general. I know I'm jumping the gun but that Clemson freshman qb in a few years is going to be the first pick in the draft. For a freshman he is stunningly good. Brad Riter is publicly displaying his ignorance. Should he be mocked or pitied? Go to my Trevor Lawrence thread which I started before he walked on campus he could’ve gotten drafted out of HS he was the best HS QB I have ever seen and will Be the #1 pick whenever he decides to come out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Go to my Trevor Lawrence thread which I started before he walked on campus he could’ve gotten drafted out of HS he was the best HS QB I have ever seen and will Be the #1 pick whenever he decides to come out He's a gem. There is no doubt about his physical talents but what makes him special is his instincts for the game. You can't teach that inherent point guard instinct on the football field. His preternatural composure as a freshman is a trait that is going to make him the type of pro qb (assuming he stays healthy) who will some day be at the podium at a HOF ceremony. He's simply special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Lawrence is going to be an elite prospect. He just looks like Peyton Manning back there but he can move. He actually looks like Charlotte from “Ozark” but yeah I do see his potential 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: He's a gem. There is no doubt about his physical talents but what makes him special is his instincts for the game. You can't teach that inherent point guard instinct on the football field. His preternatural composure as a freshman is a trait that is going to make him the type of pro qb (assuming he stays healthy) who will some day be at the podium at a HOF ceremony. He's simply special. Exactly. I said I would’ve drafted him as a SR out of HS because mentally he was way ahead of everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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