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2 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Don't mean you are right either; time will tell!

obviously

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5 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I might sound a little ignorant, but now that we've drafted our franchise qb(hopefully) I don't find as important to have a top 3 or 5 pick. 

I agree with you from here out his development is the most important thing.   But can he really develop with a bad oline and no wrs?   All he can do is learn bad habits.    Now if he's watching from the sidelines he can at least see what is going on downfield without taking the hits.  he can be in Daboll's ear and hear his thinking from one play to the next.   Andy Reid didn't play Mahomes until he was ready.   Allen isn't ready.    

 

This offense isn't capable of winning so to say we're taking is just acknowledging how bad we are as an offense and how far we have to go to get back to being competitive.    A top 5 pick affords us the ability to draft a blue chip prospect or trade back and acquire more picks.   It helps, but not as much as developing Allen and getting him some weapons on offense and some blocking does.   I think the 80 mil in cap space goes further to helping Allen because we can get ready to play guys who do not need to be developed.  Plug and play. 

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Screw that! If Allen is healthy, then he plays. You can draft a great player from the first pick to the 32nd. We don’t need to be top 5 to get a good/great pick. Let the scouts do their job.

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2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

No. If he's not mentally tough enough to handle the learning curve and adversity, then he won't cut it in the NFL.  I don't believe you get better by sitting and watching for a season. And for all his faults, Allen has led the Bills to two NFL victories.  That's not an easy thing to do for this club.  So play him.

 

 

 

I kind of understand what youre saying.

 

But Josh just doesnt have the tools around him to succeed. 

 

Its like trying to learn to play golf without taking lessons. Youre going to learn how to hit the ball...but you are going to learn poor and improper habits. Youll never hit the ball as far or as accurately without the proper technique and instruction. 

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9 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I might sound a little ignorant, but now that we've drafted our franchise qb(hopefully) I don't find as important to have a top 3 or 5 pick. 

It's not.  Usually the excitement about having a pick like that is to take a QB and were not gonna do that.  And if the Bill's dont trade down I can see them going defense with that pick.

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The problem with purposely playing not to win in order to improve draft position is that drafting by its very nature is still a gamble with no assurances of a payoff, and in the meantime your “culture,” “process” all suffer with deteriorating morale for the ones already here and being pegged to build around. Just win baby! Or at least try your absolute best and make sure your team knows and respects your efforts to win. 

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I agree 2018 season is done; I hope we finish 2-14.

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53 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Now is not the time to be winning these kinds of games. 

 

Peterman all the way. 

Find a way???

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20 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I might sound a little ignorant, but now that we've drafted our franchise qb(hopefully) I don't find as important to have a top 3 or 5 pick. 

I agree with you, but; the Bills could probably get quite a bit in return for a top 3 or even top 5 pick, let alone the #1.  I would like to see them acquire 1st and 2nd round picks for 2 seasons. My thing is that this team needs a complete overhaul under any conditions. There is no offense and key defenders are old.

 

I was never one to want the Bills to lose. Never, and I have been around for some bad teams. But, Alex Van Pelt was better than Anderson and Peterman. How scary is that?

 

I hate to say it but in this one instance, losing out might not be the worst thing that could happen to Bills Fans.  :(

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44 minutes ago, nucci said:

Here we go.....let's keep losing because that helps...:wallbash:

We have be losing so long that is the only mentality many fans have. I personally would like to see us win again and re learn a winning culture. You are right, losing does not help. 

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I don’t think you really need to hope they lose. Just relax. They are gonna lose. 

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43 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

No. If he's not mentally tough enough to handle the learning curve and adversity, then he won't cut it in the NFL.  I don't believe you get better by sitting and watching for a season. And for all his faults, Allen has led the Bills to two NFL victories.  That's not an easy thing to do for this club.  So play him.

 

 

Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes?

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1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I have stated recently that I am warming up to the idea of shelving Josh Allen for the rest of the season.  If Derek Anderson is healthy enough he is playing on Sunday.  McD has stated as much.  I am fine with riding out DA and Matt Barkley to finish the season and secure a top 3-5 pick.  I never want to see Peterman under center again though.

 

You need to adjust your expectations about Bills games.  Think of "Peterman under center" from the comedic aspect...

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Its one of those things where I will be watching the game and going for the Bills to win as I find it impossible to go against them.

 

But once the game is done it will probably be better if the Bills lose. Unless Allen plays and lights it up, then I am all for celebrating the W

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1 hour ago, vorpma said:

You have have no concept whatsoever!

losing has worked so well for us in the past.

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1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Dude eff that. I hate the Jets. I hope we make Darnold look like a joke and Allen throws 6 Tds in his return

 

Agreed, it’s a defensive draft anyways. Pointless to have a top 5 pick especially with no QB looking like a top 10 pick. We are a lock to pick in the top 10 and should be able to add an OT at that point in the draft. Josh Allen playing well is way more important than draft position.

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36 minutes ago, iinii said:

Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes?

Doesn’t prove they got better while sitting. Rodgers improved as he continued starting. Mahomes was raw (  kind of like Allen in that regard) but probably was ready at some point last year after seeing things on film etc. They should have sat Allen for at least half the year, but famously screwed it up. There’s no point in turning back now. Allen isn’t going to improve by watching the worst NFL offense in generations do its thing. 

3 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Agreed, it’s a defensive draft anyways. Pointless to have a top 5 pick especially with no QB looking like a top 10 pick. We are a lock to pick in the top 10 and should be able to add an OT at that point in the draft. Josh Allen playing well is way more important than draft position.

Well stated. Timing once again doesn’t appear to be on the Bills side. They need offense, and that’s not the strength of this draft. Live reps are critical for Allen if they’re going to show any improvement next season. Find out which players can at least be backups as most of the offensive starters should be replaced. 

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IF Josh Allen starts, I'm rooting for a win and we should all be doing the same. 

He needs as many wins and as much locker room confidence as possible.

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1 hour ago, nucci said:

Here we go.....let's keep losing because that helps...:wallbash:

 

I don't think winning and making the playoffs helped much last year...

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1 hour ago, nucci said:

Here we go.....let's keep losing because that helps...:wallbash:

It's what turned the Browns into a powerhouse.....

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Just now, Dr Doom said:

 

I don't think winning and making the playoffs helped much last year...

This team won’t come close to the playoffs, and they’re not looking to draft a franchise QB in the upcoming draft. Last years playoff berth may have hurt somewhat by increasing the cost of securing a high pick. It’s all about what you’re willing to pay. In the end, Beane may have been a bit too penny-wise with his picks. They need a lot of players in this draft. Not one specific player. They need to increase their odds of success by drafting many players and hoping for an above average hit rate if they are going to be around to see this through. 

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6 minutes ago, Dr Doom said:

 

I don't think winning and making the playoffs helped much last year...

because they decided to gut the team instead of improve it....most teams build on a playoff season...

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Great organizations make the right picks when it is their turn in the NFL Draft. Bills have draft capital to move up if they need to get someone. The goal now is to get Allen game time and see some progression. If the Bills finish 5-11 and get say the 6th pick, so be it.

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27 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

You need to adjust your expectations about Bills games.  Think of "Peterman under center" from the comedic aspect...

 

 

Is it a comedy or a tragedy?

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How many years of losing and top draft picks do we need? We've had almost two decades worth of high draft picks. How has it worked out for the Browns?

 

This team needs to win as many games as possible. They need to learn to win. Winning is what will give Allen confidence.

 

I hope we never have a top 10 draft pick again.

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