The Cap situation for 2018 is the biggest reason we should all relax about McBeane..

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Available cap space must be allocated properly via good decision making in UFA and/or trades. Can the Bills' front office led by Beane make the right decisions to address the talent deficiencies?  That's the real question at hand.  Just stating the amount of cap space for '19 shouldn't give anyone comfort enough to relax.

No not relax

 

but also not slit their wrists

[BillsVet]

Even with all this cap room, McBeane are build through the draft types who focus on getting their guys.  In  UFA they're looking for certain types (former Panthers, or less heralded team first guys) and not big name types.  At the same time, I could see them going full Buddy Nix circa 2012 when they realize their jobs are on the line if the team doesn't significantly improve.  They certainly won't make the same mistake former NYJ GM John Idzik did saving all that cap room in a do or die season.

 

If McBeane want the instant results it'll require wading into the dark waters of potentially bad UFA contracts and therefore going outside "the process."  Yet, if they don't spend big, it'll mean being less than a playoff team and probably cost them their jobs.  I still don't know how they'll spend these cap dollars, but I'm willing to bet most of it won't be on the defensive side.  

[John from Riverside]

Just now, apuszczalowski said:

They backed into the playoffs on a fluke TD by another team to end a game. They tried their best to miss the playoffs. Theres just as likely a chance that the players overachieved in spite of the coaching staff then the coaching staff going everything right to get them into the playoffs. During the "playoff run" they dumped one of their best run defenders on a defense that wasnt very good against the run, they also switched QBs to Peterman for a critical game during their playoff run. The entire run was dependent on the defence taking the ball away  more then what can be expected.

First of all....there is no such thing as fluke...they had to win enough games to qualify for the playoffs and teams get lucky along with way which is what happened for us......another team helped us get it in.

 

Having said that.....last year was a total rebiuld year based on their actions and I really dont think they expected to have to give up 2 additional 2nd round picks to get to their qb.

 

I am wondering who those 2nd round players could have turned into.

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Even with all this cap room, McBeane are build through the draft types who focus on getting their guys.  In  UFA they're looking for certain types (former Panthers, or less heralded team first guys) and not big name types.  At the same time, I could see them going full Buddy Nix circa 2012 when they realize their jobs are on the line if the team doesn't significantly improve.  They certainly won't make the same mistake former NYJ GM John Idzik did saving all that cap room in a do or die season.

 

If McBeane want the instant results it'll require wading into the dark waters of potentially bad UFA contracts and therefore going outside "the process."  Yet, if they don't spend big, it'll mean being less than a playoff team and probably cost them their jobs.  I still don't know how they'll spend these cap dollars, but I'm willing to bet most of it won't be on the defensive side.  

I honestly do not care about names.....I care about guys that actually fit debolls system.  Playmaking will be made from players doing what they are supposed to do.

[apuszczalowski]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

First of all....there is no such thing as fluke...they had to win enough games to qualify for the playoffs and teams get lucky along with way which is what happened for us......another team helped us get it in.

 

Having said that.....last year was a total rebiuld year based on their actions and I really dont think they expected to have to give up 2 additional 2nd round picks to get to their qb.

 

Well that coach that got us to the playoffs decided to ditch the QB who took them to the playoffs for the guy who couldnt make it through half a game. 

 

And of course theres no such thing as a fluke, I'm sure if they had to the Bengals could replicate that catch again if they needed to.....

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Available cap space must be allocated properly via good decision making in UFA and/or trades. Can the Bills' front office led by Beane make the right decisions to address the talent deficiencies?  That's the real question at hand.  Just stating the amount of cap space for '19 shouldn't give anyone comfort enough to relax.

This is true. Massive cap space does not automatically mean that the Bills will be getting a lot of top notch free agents.

 

That being said, look at who the Bills signed in free agency this year.....

 

Star Lotuleilei. Without question this guy is overpaid. However, he is far from being the liability that a lot fans have said that he would be or is. In fact, he's been a positive addition for the Bills.

 

Trent Murphy. Yes, the injury history has reared it's ugly head regarding him, but he has been a good pass rusher for us, and his contract is team friendly.

 

Chris Ivory. Many people here bemoaned this signing. I wasn't exactly doing handsprings when we signed him either. Yet look at how he has done. I know he's not the starter, but he's been a lone bright spot on our terrible offense.

 

The front office did strike out on Jeremey Kerley & Corey Coleman, and that's too bad. Yet they did a pretty good job with these three players considering how much cap space we had.

 

Like I said, there are no guarantees that will attract a lot of top name free agents, but it's not impossible to think that the Bills will get a few players that will be an upgrade for the team, either.

[billsfan89]

 

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

Even with all this cap room, McBeane are build through the draft types who focus on getting their guys.  In  UFA they're looking for certain types (former Panthers, or less heralded team first guys) and not big name types.  At the same time, I could see them going full Buddy Nix circa 2012 when they realize their jobs are on the line if the team doesn't significantly improve.  They certainly won't make the same mistake former NYJ GM John Idzik did saving all that cap room in a do or die season.

 

If McBeane want the instant results it'll require wading into the dark waters of potentially bad UFA contracts and therefore going outside "the process."  Yet, if they don't spend big, it'll mean being less than a playoff team and probably cost them their jobs.  I still don't know how they'll spend these cap dollars, but I'm willing to bet most of it won't be on the defensive side.  

 

This offense is historically bad, you could see McD watching the offense on the sidelines and it is clear that they will need to spend significant free agent money on the offense. I agree with you in general that McBeane is more of a retain your own players type regime but they will have to at least bring in 3-4 starters via free agency on the offense and I suspect they will sign a corner on the defensive side as well. They can spend every draft pick on the offensive side of the ball and it won't be enough of an infusion of talent to impact the tide of the offense enough. 

 

They need to infuse the offense with talent using at least a significant chunk of their cap space. Considering the good market for interior O-line players and the massive need there I can't help but think that they will at least go big game hunting to sign one big contract there. Although the WR market isn't all that great I think they bring in at least one veteran of note there too. I am hoping for a somewhat big spending spree along the offense (I would love to see Saffold from the Rams and one other interior O-line player come in along with Golden Tate) but I am prepared for a more modest spending season. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’ll simplify it. You don’t get to be a terrible 2-7 team with tons of dead cap unless someone in the front office screwed up BIG TIME. The only debate now is whether that ‘somebody’ is the current GM or the last one. We won’t know the answer for a year or two but I’ve got to believe the current group is getting real nervous.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

 

Well that coach that got us to the playoffs decided to ditch the QB who took them to the playoffs for the guy who couldnt make it through half a game. 

 

And of course theres no such thing as a fluke, I'm sure if they had to the Bengals could replicate that catch again if they needed to.....

Tyrod Taylor was a band aid....he made this OL look better then it was......and even though he had totally hit is ceiling as a QB he was never as bad as some would have made himout to be

 

but

 

He also was not going to get us where we needed to go...and that was also true....the 2 steps back to go 3 steps forward turned into 5 steps back to go (I dont know how many steps forward yet)

[ALLEN1QB]

Wait until next year the most used phrase in Buffalo.

[buffalostu2]

50% of that dead cap are contracts Beane signed in less than two years!  That does not bode well for his cap management skills

 

They are not all Whaley clean up moves contrary to popular belief for people who don't want to put in the Spotrac research team.

 

 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

 

Great, The Bills will have all that cap space next year, to do what with exactly?

Any competent WR, TE, RB is going to avoid this team like the plauge.

 

most Bills fans were demanding Whaley had to go because of how he F)*(^ the cap situation.

 

Beane "Cleared" the dead weight/talent off this roster. Fans rejoiced.

 

Now as we head to UFA fans are ok with overpaying UFAs only to get right back in "cap hell"?

 

If you were Randall Cobb or Golden Tate and you saw this team trotting out Nate Peterman at QB, and you had offers from Buffalo and a few other teams, that were rough;y identical why would you choose Buffalo? Its going to take 13-15+MM a year to land a Top UFA WR this year. none of those guys are worth that amount.

 

Currently, it looks like impact players will have to come from the draft and draft only. 

I disagree. Number 1. , Allen will likely be the starter and I'm confident we address the backup spot. Besides Allen , Dawkins,Teller , Shady , Murphy ,Zay ,Ray Ray and Croom , no one on O is safe, including Daboll. 

 

You can say the same thing about Cleveland last year . Yet they added probably the top WR FA in Landry . Money talks with these guys . Obviously the player needs to buy in but we have the luxury to totally overhaul this debacle on offense and target specific players to build around Allen.

 

Will we pay a little more than a different team? Possibly. But if it is a high end talent like Tate or Cobb , they'll sit with Bills brass and discuss the changes and direction of the O , and we also have a phenomenal D they'll be playing with.

[BillsVet]

52 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I honestly do not care about names.....I care about guys that actually fit debolls system.  Playmaking will be made from players doing what they are supposed to do.

 

So basically, out-execute the opponent? 

 

Besides, I'm not clear what Daboll's system is or whether McCoach understands that side of the ball.

[JerseyBills]

39 minutes ago, PIP said:

Wait until next year the most used phrase in Buffalo.

But it's completely warranted for this current situation. They have a plan and this is part of the long term execution of their plan and vision for the team.

[Boca BIlls]

I am glad they ***** up on QB this bad, Imagine if we had Fitz as our backup... who wants to be 6-10 when you can be 2-14 and get a good draft pick not in just round 1 but all rounds.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

So basically, out-execute the opponent? 

 

Besides, I'm not clear what Daboll's system is or whether McCoach understands that side of the ball.

I dont mean you are devoid of playmaking ability......but players have to block....wr's catch......QBs throw

 

I dont care about the name on the back of the jersey so much as their ability to just play football

[Hebert19]

I agree.  And have said this a few times.  10 picks and 90 million.   Look at what rams did in year 2 of goff in draft and FA.

 

DE Connor Barwin, RB Lance Dunbar, QB Aaron Murray, CB Nickell Robey-Coleman, C John Sullivan, DT Tyrunn Walker, CB Kayvon Webster, OT Andrew Whitworth, WR Robert Woods, TE Gerald Everett (R2), WR Cooper Kupp (R3), S John Johnson (R3), WR Josh Reynolds (R4) plus Sammy Watkins.  

 

they really had not much outside Donald.  We have 3/4 of an elite D.   We need to find a new RB...but that isnt hard.  The rest is blueprint above.  Sign a WR or 2.  OL or 2 and surround Josh with a team and see what happens. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Having significant cap space is one thing; utilizing it properly is quite another.  It all comes down to judgement and with Beane, I'm definitely "from Missouri."

[BillsFanForever19]

They didn't have to cut/trade as many players as they did. They didn't have to rid themselves of everyone inherited by Doug Whaley. They chose to. They didn't have to make some of the moves they've made that haven't worked out to contribute to the number. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

They backed into the playoffs on a fluke TD by another team to end a game. They tried their best to miss the playoffs. Theres just as likely a chance that the players overachieved in spite of the coaching staff then the coaching staff going everything right to get them into the playoffs. During the "playoff run" they dumped one of their best run defenders on a defense that wasnt very good against the run, they also switched QBs to Peterman for a critical game during their playoff run. The entire run was dependent on the defence taking the ball away  more then what can be expected.

 

 

It's funny how McDermott will get credit for getting them into the playoffs just cause he was the coach, but many wont give Tyrod credit  even though he was the starting QB for them that season.

Or Whaley any credit because he was like 90% responding for every player in the team last year. 

 

But we fired him and he’s a loser so let’s not give him any credit. Instead let’s blame him for the dead cap money from good players he signed/resigned that this joke of a Front Office cut or traded and had to pay anyway. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

But what have they showed you so far on their tenure here that they know what they are doing on offence and the only reason they haven't been able to right the ship was money?

 

THEY CREATED THE DEAD CAP SPACE THEMSELVES. They decided that they had to get rid of good players and take the cap hits to get picks, they even dealt picks to obtain players they later dumped before playing in a meaningful game for them to take on dead cap. The have made more bad FA signings then good ones since coming here and haven't been great with trades either.

 

So we should cut them some slack for putting themselves in a dead cap issue and having little talent? I think most people could cut them slack if they had shown that they are as good at evaluating talent as their are with dumping it and collecting picks and cap space.

They’ve shown me that they are great at evaluating talent in the draft.  Allen being the biggest question mark in this draft.  Zay Jones being the only question mark in last years draft.  Edmunds, Phillips, Johnson all look to be core players, very good core players at that.  Tre’davious, Dawkins and Milano clearly Impressive.  Jury still out on Allen obviously and Jones has been much better in year 2.  That’s some reason for optimism.  If you disagree, you’re either blind or arguing just to argue.  In 2 years under McD, we’ve drafted very well.

 

free agency under Beane this year wasn’t very exciting.  

 

It seemed as if the Vontae signing was good value, until we found out he’s aged a decade in the last 2 years.

 

 I HATED the contract given to star.  That said, he’s overpaid, but he’s been doing exactly what we overpaid him to do.  We HAVE to overpay good players to come to Buffalo. It’s the fact of the matter.  

 

Trent Murphy’s health has been a real issue and it’s been hurting our pass rush.  When he’s been healthy, our pass rush was impressive.  When he’s out, it suffers.  So is he a bad signing?  7 mill a year for a productive pass rusher....when he’s healthy enough to suit up.  I wouldn’t say it’s bad.  What other productive pass rusher would’ve signed here for 7 mill a year?

 

philip Gaines sucks.  We barely paid him anything to compete for the #3-4 cb.  Vontae makes this signing look worse than it is.  But I do hate Gaines.  Those that said we should’ve resigned Ej, I agree.....but he’s been hurt all year too.

 

jordan Phillips has been a nice addition.  

 

 Sure, people will always be pissed while Mahomes is throwing 5 TDs a week to the most talents group of receivers in the last decade+ while executing Andy Reid’s playcalls, meanwhile we’re 2-7.  I get it hurts, but because we missed on a couple QBs, doesn’t mean we haven’t drafted well.  We’ve drafted very well the last 2 years imo.  And while we didn’t have much cap room and 56mill in dead cap, we also added a few solid FA’s that we overpaid for.  Guess what?  We’re going to overpay for free agents next year too.  If we have GM other than Beane, he’s going to overpay for free agents too.  That’s not going to change anytime soon.

 

in summary, I believe McBeane has shown us that they’re capable of building for the long run. Not to say that they will succeed in sustaining long term success, which is their motto, but I believe they know how to identify talent.  They just didn’t have the resources to fix the offense last year.  I saw this as a 3 year minimum rebuild after they traded Tyrod, Sammy, Darby and Dareus and has to absorb all that dead money this year.  This current team is a reflection of that dead cap number.  Sure, they’re responsible for the dead cap number but taking 1 step backward in order to take 2 steps forward is in play.  We took a step back this year. I believe we will see some steps forward in the coming seasons, due to their ability to draft well and hopefully use their cap room to improve the rest.....and cut sweet nate pete.