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1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Rex stayed everyone got tired his act for many things. When players become lazy or sleeping during meeting and stuff you gotta make a change

Yep...Rex is like one of those door to door salesman.....The Bills bought the 5 Million dollars vacuum...and our rugs got even dirtier....

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On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 1:54 AM, Peter said:

 

Playoff expectations?  Whaley may have been pushing that narrative with the Pegulas, but the "money" did not foresee playoffs for the Bills:

 

2015 Over and Under Wins 8.5 (hardly playoff expectations)

 

2016 Over and Under Wins 8 (hardly playoff expectations)

 

"In 2016 [Rex] was given a draft to add some pieces to the defense and the team still had mediocre results."

 

Hmmm. Top two Bills draft choices were hurt.  One was out for the year, and the other was out for a good portion of the year and probably was not fully recovered when he returned.

 

 

 

Destroyed???  That seems to be the narrative that the Rex haters love to push.

 

As I mentioned before in an earlier post, let's put things in perspective:

 

2013 Points Against        24.3 (20th in NFL)

2013 Point Differential   -49 (22nd in NFL)

 

2014 Points Against        18.1 (4th in NFL)

2014 Point Differential  +54    (12th in NFL)

 

2015 Points Against         22.4 (only 4.3 points per game more than 2014 & 1.9 point per game less than 2013) (15th in NFL)

2015 Point Differential   +20 (13th in NFL - only one back from 2014)

 

2016 Points Against         23.6 (only 5.5 points per game more than 2014 and .7 points per game less than 2013) (16th in NFL)

2016 Point Differential   +21  (14th in NFL - two back from 2014)

 

2017 Points Against         22.4 (same as 2015) (18th in NFL)

2017 Point Differential    -57   (21st in NFL)

 

2018 Points Against        26.8 (more than both 2013, 2015, and 2016) (26th in NFL)

2018 Point Differential  -145 (Dead last in NFL through 9 games)

 

Rex did this and was the most successful Buffalo Bills head coach since Wade (and still is) even though Mario went on strike, Gilmore did not think tackling was part of his job, and with one of the most injured teams in the NFL with among the most games lost due to injury:

 

 
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4.3 and 5.5 points in the NFL are HUGE differences.

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10 hours ago, Peter said:

Please let me know when the NFL stops choosing who wins games by point differential.

If you win 5 games by 3 and then get blown out in your only loss by 30 points your point differential is negative, but your record is 5-1. Using season long point differential is rather meaningless.

 

As for the injuries, I left them out because every team deals with injuries, and not all losses are the same. Can you tell me who exactly we lost to injury on Defense? I have no idea how they weighted who, when, or why.

The only 2 that come to mind for me are Aaron Williams who had his neck issues, and Kyle Williams in 2015, though he did play for ~1/3 of the season.

 

10 hours ago, Peter said:

In citing to Football Outsiders, you also did not consider that, according to your own authority, our defenses while Rex was the coach were especially hard hit by injury each year.

No, because I don't consider Football Outsiders an authority over all stats. Their DVOA metric for offense and defense are very good. DVOA for quarterbacks is pretty bad. Adjusted Games Lost is something I've never given any credence to whatsoever.

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I knew at  the time when we had the #1 rushing attack that we would really miss it someday.  Like now.  I was Lukewarm about Rex but it was mainly the D that disappointed.  They scored plenty and controlled the ball.  He had Anthony Lynn on staff, and some solid coaches. 

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3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If you win 5 games by 3 and then get blown out in your only loss by 30 points your point differential is negative, but your record is 5-1. Using season long point differential is rather meaningless.

 

 

 

the more variables you put into an analysis the stronger it is

 

cherry picking point differential is an admission one knows 100% their argument sucks in the first place

 

 

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Take out those majical 50 minutes (second half vs. LAC & first 20 minutes vs. Minny) where the bills scored 41 points and were +38 point differential it would really be scary.......

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Rex got 2 years because he was a loudmouth buffoon hired to be a shot in the arm, winning team from the jump, and he failed miserably.  Rather than instill the motivated and aggressive mindset that he was known for, he decided to hire 1 million coaches and rest on his laurels. He failed to get the team to buy in, a team that had spent the last two years crushing Rex teams. 

 

He was a failure in every way. The Pegs HC decisions have blown up in their faces.

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2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

the more variables you put into an analysis the stronger it is

 

cherry picking point differential is an admission one knows 100% their argument sucks in the first place

 

 

 

The Bills have lost 5 games by 20+ points this year. Last years 0-16 Browns lost only 1 by more than 20. This team is obviously not even competitive. Does anyone really think the Rex teams were worse? This could go down as one of the worst teams ever in the NFL. They have 8 TD's scored vs 27 given up. They have only scored a TD in 5 of 9 games. The Defense looks better than it is because teams take the foot of the gas when they are up big. 

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The best thing Rex ever did for the Bills was coach the jets. He destroyed that franchise. 

 

His life accomplishments amount to (1) having a daddy that was considered to be a good football coach (2) riding Marvin Lewis’s coattails

 

 

Apparenly Hoodie and Kraft loved Wrecks... lol

 

 https://www.businessinsider.com/patriots-wanted-jets-to-keep-rex-ryan-2018-11

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Took a 9-7 team to an 8-8 team , then a 7-9 team. Rex wasn't brought in to rebuild, he was supposed to take us over the top. Yet, he decided this really good defense needed to be rebuilt. Mcd took Rex's crap team and took them to the playoffs in his 1st year. Built a really good d by yr 2 and even said prior to the season, we might be looking at a season where the team is not as good as last year's playoff team(which wasn't that good).  As far as finding a link to Mcd. saying this, I know what I heard. If you want a link, look for it. I'm working. Plus, I think we have 1 player left from the 2 drafts where Rex was coach. 1 Player that I can tell(Miler). Rex didn't draft the players, but had plenty of input. I think what I am trying to say is Rex didn't last cuz he sucked. Pretty bad too.

JMO

 

 

2015 draft:

Ronald Darby, John Miller, Karlos Williams, Tony Stewart, O'leary and Dezmund Lewis.

2016 draft:

Lawson, Ragland, Adolphus Washington, Cardale Jones, Johnathan Williams, Listenbee, and Kevon Seymore.

2107 draft

White, Zay, Dion Dawkins, Millano, Peterman and Vallejo.

2018 draft

Allen, Edmunds, Phillips, Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, Wyatt Teller, Ray-Ray and Proehl

 

 

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1 hour ago, ngbills said:

 

The Bills have lost 5 games by 20+ points this year. Last years 0-16 Browns lost only 1 by more than 20. This team is obviously not even competitive. Does anyone really think the Rex teams were worse? This could go down as one of the worst teams ever in the NFL. They have 8 TD's scored vs 27 given up. They have only scored a TD in 5 of 9 games. The Defense looks better than it is because teams take the foot of the gas when they are up big. 

 

Rex's teams weren't remotely as bad as this, i don't care what "stats" people want to throw at me.....

 

They've won twice, that puts them well above 0 or 1 win teams

 

i agree about the D coasting through garbagetime, but it's still the only decent facet of this team....

 

 

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On 11/5/2018 at 1:46 AM, RosenNOTchosen1 said:

If my memory serves me correct this season is much worse than a couple years ago under Rex. Under Rex the team was very competitive and was almost in every single game that is played. Why did Ryan only get 2 years but with McDermott it's an automatic that he's coming back?

 

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My take here:

 

Not a given McD is back next year.

As for Rex, per staff at OBD he and Rob were last ones to work in AM and first to leave at night.  Not the best management skills.

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1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

My take here:

 

Not a given McD is back next year.

As for Rex, per staff at OBD he and Rob were last ones to work in AM and first to leave at night.  Not the best management skills.

And they took 4 hr lunches. 

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3 hours ago, freddyjj said:

My take here:

 

Not a given McD is back next year.

As for Rex, per staff at OBD he and Rob were last ones to work in AM and first to leave at night.  Not the best management skills.

🎵We get up at 12,

and go to work at 1🎶

🎵Take an hour for lunch,

and then at 2 we're done🎶

🎵Jolly good fun!🎶

 

EDIT:  Maybe Brandon's and Whaley's advice to Pegula about "don't let him out of the building" really was an attempt to highlight Wrecks' penchant for sneaking out early.  A Simplex punch clock would have put a stop to that!

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Russ! Come back! All is forgiven! 🙄😒😁
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On 11/9/2018 at 7:01 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

 

4.3 and 5.5 points in the NFL are HUGE differences.

 

This might help explain.  Our adjusted games lost rankings due to injury for defense by year were:

 

11th in 2014

 

28th in 2015

 

28th in 2016

 

8th in 2017

 

Notice the correlation . . . .  We were the 28th - in other words we were among the most injured team on defense during the two years Rex was the coach.  Hmmmm.

 

Also, you will notice that the point differential rankings were only within 1 and 2 spots off each other comparing 2015 and 2016 with 2014.  

 

 

On 11/9/2018 at 8:11 AM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If you win 5 games by 3 and then get blown out in your only loss by 30 points your point differential is negative, but your record is 5-1. Using season long point differential is rather meaningless.

 

As for the injuries, I left them out because every team deals with injuries, and not all losses are the same. Can you tell me who exactly we lost to injury on Defense? I have no idea how they weighted who, when, or why.

The only 2 that come to mind for me are Aaron Williams who had his neck issues, and Kyle Williams in 2015, though he did play for ~1/3 of the season.

 

No, because I don't consider Football Outsiders an authority over all stats. Their DVOA metric for offense and defense are very good. DVOA for quarterbacks is pretty bad. Adjusted Games Lost is something I've never given any credence to whatsoever.

 

If you do not understand or even give credence to the fact that injuries affect teams - especially when we were one of the most injured teams on the defensive side of the ball (28 out of 32) during the two years Rex was the coach, you just are revealing your bias.

 

You are highlighting your bias when you cite to Football Outsiders as authoritative on one metric, but choose to ignore them on another metric.

 

This is especially true when the injury metric helps explain the other metric and puts it in context.

 

P.S.  It is interesting that you mentioned getting blown out.  That seems to be happening an historic amount of times since Rex got fired.

 

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These are the reasons Rex was fired after 31 games (in no particular order) 

 

- Rex was a defensive minded HC that took over a defense that had 2 consecutive seasons of being in the top 5 and turned it into a below average unit. 

 

- Rex's nepotism hire with his dumb ass brother as DC.

 

- Rex set expectations too high. He promised we would make the playoffs. He said we "won the offseason". 

 

- Rex's team took a lot of dumb penalties that one would normally associate with bad coaching. We routinely looked unprepared and undisciplined. 

 

- Rex made poor in game coaching decisions. He did not manage the clock well and made dumb challenges. 

 

- The week 17 TT situation. Whaley demanded that Rex bench TT for fear that TT would be injured which would trigger an injury clause in his contract. Rex refused and lost the power struggle. 

 

All things considered I think we made the right choice by firing him. Time will tell if we made the right decision by hiring Mcdermott 

 

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There's also another major difference between Rex and McD......Our current HC is only on his 2nd year as the top coach.....Rex was supposed to be a knowledgeable vet and was a self proclaimed defensive guru.....now... which one brought us to the playoffs again ?.....Maybe McD will end up being a bad HC.....by this time next year, we should have a clearer picture.....that does not change the fact that Rex's tenure was an absolute ***** show....

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3 hours ago, PittsforDave said:

It had to be THE affair. 

 

It was personal, not business. 

There was no 'affair'.  Someone saw Wrecks talking to a larger woman with grey, frizzy hair, and only saw this mystery lady from behind.  It turns out it was Wrecks asking his brother which 'all you can eat' buffet they were dining at that evening.

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5 hours ago, Peter said:

 

This might help explain.  Our adjusted games lost rankings due to injury for defense by year were:

 

11th in 2014

 

28th in 2015

 

28th in 2016

 

8th in 2017

 

Notice the correlation . . . .  We were the 28th most injured team on defense during the two years Rex was the coach.  Hmmmm.

 

Also, you will notice that the point differential rankings were only within 1 and 2 spots off each other comparing 2015 and 2016 with 2014.  

 

 

 

If you do not understand or even give credence to the fact that injuries affect teams - especially when we were one of the most injured teams on the defensive side of the ball (28 out of 32) during the two years Rex was the coach, you just are revealing your bias.

 

You are highlighting your bias when you cite to Football Outsiders as authoritative on one metric, but choose to ignore them on another metric.

 

This is especially true when the injury metric helps explain the other metric and puts it in context.

 

P.S.  It is interesting that you mentioned getting blown out.  That seems to be happening an historic amount of times since Rex got fired.

 

 

The injuries excuse doesn't wash because while some of what hurt us was execution I would say the majority was scheme. His scheme was sliced and diced because it relied on the blitz and the game had moved on and QBs were beating it by getting it out fast. We should have known that would be a problem though... it was in his final 2 years with the Jets too. 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The injuries excuse doesn't wash because while some of what hurt us was execution I would say the majority was scheme. His scheme was sliced and diced because it relied on the blitz and the game had moved on and QBs were beating it by getting it out fast. We should have known that would be a problem though... it was in his final 2 years with the Jets too. 

 

We go from being one of the healthiest to nearly the most injured and it did not have an affect?

 

Hmmm.

 

You are just revealing your bias against him.  Got it.

 

Go Gunners.

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