The biggest myth on the Process/Rebuild

[Niagara Dude]

Pass on QB Mahomes to pick DB CHECK

Trade  Sammy #1 WR for second rounder CHECK

Trade Darby DB for third rounder CHECK

Trade third round for garbage WR Benjamin

Trade MD CHECK

Trade up to draft Allen CHECK

 

HC and GM are two losers,  Sean thinks Caveman football wins in this and Beane backs him.  Fire both guys and hire young offensive minded HC

[Albany,n.y.]

43 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

is there was no need for a rebuild. Trying not be beat a dead horse, but the talent was here. If they weren’t your guys, McBeane, then maximize their abilities to fit your scheme. The cap still would’ve opened up after contracts expired. This is utter disaster. 

The goal is to win the Super Bowl, not to be the last playoff team & exit after the 1st wild card game.  The team had no chance of becoming a Super Bowl contender as it was constituted.  Management is tearing it down in hopes of building that champion.  If you like 7 -10 wins a season, then there was no need for a rebuild.  I like their plan better, championship or bust.  This season is the bust, but I'm willing to give them the time to see if they're right.  

[Sgt. Ski]

it all started with incognito and wood gone. no one was prepared for that

 

[Success]

We keep wanting this season to be something it isn’t.

 

We’re rebuilding.  Maybe it could have been avoided, but it’s where we’re at and we have to ride it out

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

And this is the root of the issue.

 

Every few years we clean house, change scheme, drop and add players, get impatient, lather rinse and repeat over and over again.

 

And you were over joyed last time it happened.  Whats with your new found passion for continuity during the worst season we have witnessed since the Super Bowl era?

[major]

2 hours ago, Success said:

We keep wanting this season to be something it isn’t.

 

We’re rebuilding.  Maybe it could have been avoided, but it’s where we’re at and we have to ride it out

It seems like we’ve been rebuilding since 1997

[Fadingpain]

7 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

What did McDermott say to Pegula to get this gig, Rex is laughing his ass off

Probably something like "To God be the glory," combined with the secret born again voodoo handshake.

 

 

[mrags]

8 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

if youre defending Rex you lose all credibility 

Funny, I was gonna say if you’re defending McDermott, YOU lose all credibility. 

 

There isnt a coach we’ve had in forever that has suffered this many absolute blowout losses in such a short time. And the teams were getting blown out by aren’t exactly world beaters. 

4 hours ago, Sgt. Ski said:

it all started with incognito and wood gone. no one was prepared for that

 

Except they started it with asking Incognito to take a pay cut. And that was AFTER they received confirmation that’s Woods career was over. 

 

Oh, and they decided that Russell Bodine was a solid replacement for both of them. 

 

Smooth move by this coaching staff and GM if you ask me. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by mrags

[NoHuddleKelly12]

8 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

McDermott had cincinnati help his sorry ass

Still had to win out against Miami in order for the Ravens result to even matter

1 hour ago, major said:

It seems like we’ve been rebuilding since 1997

I feel like we never truly hit rock bottom though during the Drought--always able to "middle through" somehow to a bare amount of respectable mediocrity (which was also stifling at the same time), but this time, it really feels like we are falling fast past that point. Where that winds up for next year and beyond is still anyone's guess.   

[row_33]

8 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The goal is to win the Super Bowl, not to be the last playoff team & exit after the 1st wild card game.  The team had no chance of becoming a Super Bowl contender as it was constituted.  Management is tearing it down in hopes of building that champion.  If you like 7 -10 wins a season, then there was no need for a rebuild.  I like their plan better, championship or bust.  This season is the bust, but I'm willing to give them the time to see if they're right.  

 

The goal is not to win the Super Bowl, get real.

 

the goal is to be decent enough to keep the coaches employed for the next two years, which they are not meeting so far.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

And you were over joyed last time it happened.  Whats with your new found passion for continuity during the worst season we have witnessed since the Super Bowl era?

 

You have a short memory. 2001 was worse than this by a wide margin.  And to answer your question, I want to see where this goes. 

[Jauronimo]

6 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

You have a short memory. 2001 was worse than this by a wide margin.  And to answer your question, I want to see where this goes. 

Wrong as usual.  This is the biggest string of blowouts the Bills have seen since I was old enough to watch.  Look at the scores in 2001.  We would KILL for double digit points week in and week out.

 

2001 Point differential was -155

Through 8 games 2018 Bills are sitting at -145

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Wrong as usual.  This is the biggest string of blowouts the Bills have seen since I was old enough to watch.  Look at the scores in 2001.  We would KILL for double digit points week in and week out.

 

2001 Point differential was -155

Through 8 games 2018 Bills are sitting at -145

 

We started that year 1-10.

 

ONE AND TEN.

 

Point differential is meaningless, Wins and Losses are what matters.

 

That year was DEFINITELY worse. I should know. I had season tickets that year, driving 6 hours each way. It was hell.

 

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

We started that year 1-10.

 

ONE AND TEN.

 

Point differential is meaningless, Wins and Losses are what matters.

 

That year was DEFINITELY worse. I should know. I had season tickets that year, driving 6 hours each way. It was hell.

 

 

i stopped that drive back and forth at some point in The Losman Era

 

not even a shred of a regret.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

i stopped that drive back and forth at some point in The Losman Era

 

not even a shred of a regret.

 

 

 

The game against the patriots with the body part out of bounds therefore ball out of bounds nearly made me quit the team.

That was HORRIBLE so freaking cold, and such bad football

 

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

The game against the patriots with the body part out of bounds therefore ball out of bounds nearly made me quit the team.

That was HORRIBLE so freaking cold, and such bad football

 

 

and yet I watch every Sunday with some hope in my heart

 

at least I won't catch bronchitis on the couch

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

and yet I watch every Sunday with some hope in my heart

 

at least I won't catch bronchitis on the couch

 

 

 

I thought I might lose a toe or three that game. Tunnel end zone seats pre-remodel

 

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I thought I might lose a toe or three that game. Tunnel end zone seats pre-remodel

 

 

i never took chances like that, a few people in my life would have killed me

 

 

[Spiderweb]

20 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

And John gruden won the supernowl, you gonna defend him now

Note: It was done with a team built by Tony Dungy.

[Jauronimo]

9 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

Note: It was done with a team built by Tony Dungy.

And against the team he coached the year whose new HC didn't update the playbook.  Gruden knew exactly what was coming all game.  Also, Barret Robbins....

[Mango]

The biggest myth in all of this was that we were in salary cap hell. This is a self created problem. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

20 hours ago, sullim4 said:

Bingo.  McDermott has lost the locker room and respect of the fans.  Even with tens of millions in cap space, who would want to come here?

 

Not one player has asked for a trade that we know of and fans are still going to games, stop spewing nonsense as fact. Money talks!

[ctk232]

21 hours ago, sullim4 said:

Bingo.  McDermott has lost the locker room and respect of the fans.  Even with tens of millions in cap space, who would want to come here?

He hasn't lost anything - players play for money. While I agree Buffalo isn't the sexiest destination for players, we've learned what happens when we go big in FA, as well as other teams. But if you present the money, players will come to play. 

 

To OP's point about breeding a losing culture, a single rebuild doesn't build a losing culture. One season, does not build a losing culture. Losing four super bowls in a row and having the past 20+ years happen can breed a losing culture. Thing about breeding is that it takes time. And while the national media has never helped us in this regard, what creates true losing cultures is multiple "rebuilds" of 2-3 year stints. In regard to "losing cultures," all it takes is for a team to start winning and the entire national media conversation changes. Jags were a laughing stock of a yearly game, and now they're in the competitive conversations. 

 

I'd go as far to make the argument that "losing cultures" are really self-imposed and don't exist, not really. Sure other cities and teams can pass the Bills or another lackluster competitor as a soft opponent, or easy-win. But most of those determinations are momentary given the immediate season. To me, "losing cultures" are often misidentified as immediate responses to terrible situations, much like the historic precedence being set on offense right now. But does this create a long-term culture of losing? No. The plan is to get better and win, just go do it and you won't ever have to talk about this again.

Edited November 5, 2018 by ctk232

[Helpmenow]

On 11/4/2018 at 3:57 PM, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

McD had to turn the season around to get the team there. Cry about it. 

 

Gruden is also rebuilding the team. 

 

You don't like McD, you didn't like Rex, to my recollection you didn't like Marrone. 

I don’t like anybody. Liked Saban and Knox. Probably before your time

[iinii]

On 11/4/2018 at 2:59 PM, Albany,n.y. said:

The 1985 & 1986 Bills lost a lot, but guys like Talley, Reed, B. Smith hated to lose and were key players on AFC championship teams.  One bad year does nothing other than give a team a chance to weed out the bad players.  You'll see a totally new group of receivers next year with the possible exception of Zay Jones.  

 

You amateur psychiatrists should stick to your day job. 

And you amateur GMs should stick to fantasy football. 

[TwistofFate]

On 11/4/2018 at 3:40 PM, bostonadguy said:

The biggest problem you have with tearing down a roster and getting rid of good players is that by becoming so non-competitive, the players remaining get comfortable with losing and you breed  a losing culture and undermine what you are trying to do in the first place.

 

It seems all they care about is high character guys and not football players. You kind of need both.

 

if McDermott and Beane aren’t careful, they won’t last long enough for the rebuild.

High character guys never become comfortable with losing, because they are of high character.   

 

Honor, loyalty, passion, and accountability to yourself and one another breed success.   You take beatings together, and grow together.   It breeds success, the exact opposite of what you believe. 

 

It's the negative veteran presence and "players" you speak of which were quickly shuffled off the team.   Their talent will be replaced through the draft this year, and free agency.