Allen not showing progress

[Estro]

When I watch Josh Allen I see Blaine Gabbert, which is the player he reminded me of coming into the draft. 

 

He has the same 2 fatal flaws:

 

Wildly Inaccurate, which IMO, is not fixable 

 

&

 

Drops his eyes and stares at the rush when he feels pressure. 

 

Gun to my head, my take right now.....hes going to be a massive flop, as many smart people predicted he'd be.  

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You said specifically back then you would have traded everything to get him.  And thus far his career has been less than impressive. Good game today, less than impressive overall.

 

You like to pontificate about QBs as if you have some grand understanding of the position.  In reality you're no more knowledgeable than anyone else and based on your Winston love worse than most.

 

Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. 

 

Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. 

 

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. 

 

Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. 

 

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. 

My point is simple and stated above.  You come in here as if you're some sort of QB expert and you're not as shown by your Winston love.

 

You also like to cherry pick throws.  You've harped on Allen's first throw of the game as if that proves he can never succeed  and ignore a number of other good throws he made today.  The kid has things to learn but objective views suggest he is coming along.

 

To make my point even clearer:  you aren't knowledgeable about QBs.  Does that explain it clearly enough?

[Best Player Available]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. 

 

Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. 

 

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. 

If Fitz had not reverted back to form. Winston would be riding pine. That's how much faith

the Bucs really have in him and his BS.

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, Estro said:

When I watch Josh Allen I see Blaine Gabbert, which is the player he reminded me of coming into the draft. 

 

He has the same 2 fatal flaws:

 

Wildly Inaccurate, which IMO, is not fixable 

 

&

 

Drops his eyes and stares at the rush when he feels pressure. 

 

Gun to my head, my take right now.....hes going to be a massive flop, as many smart people predicted he'd be.  

Go back and watch the game.  Watch his throws.  Seriously.  I knew the outcome before I watched and read some of the crap posted before I did.  So I watched specifically to see how Allen did. The kid made one truly bad throw today, his first pass of the game.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

My point is simple and stated above.  You come in here as if you're some sort of QB expert and you're not as shown by your Winston love.

 

You also like to cherry pick throws.  You've harped on Allen's first throw of the game as if that proves he can never succeed  and ignore a number of other good throws he made today.  The kid has things to learn but objective views suggest he is coming along.

 

To make my point even clearer:  you aren't knowledgeable about QBs.  Does that explain it clearly enough?

 

I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. 

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Go back and watch the game.  Watch his throws.  Seriously.  I knew the outcome before I watched and read some of the crap posted before I did.  So I watched specifically to see how Allen did. The kid made one truly bad throw today, his first pass of the game.

 

He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. 

 

The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. 

And you are no more knowledgeable about playing QB in thie NFL than anyone else around here.  Quit pretending that you are.

[Matt_In_NH]

They showed Allen sitting alone a couple times and even after the TD, he looked down.  I was wondering if he was ok to play but the coaches said no we are going with Peterdude.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. 

 

He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. 

 

The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. 

That's a blatant lie. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. 

 

He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. 

 

The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. 

To a guy that was double covered.  Perhaps he wanted to be sure it wasn't picked?

 

Watching Brady right now.  See a lot if short patterns.  Do you know what Daboll called?  We're longer patterns run?  Were guys open on those?  Should I go on?

[jrober38]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

That's a blatant lie. 

 

He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. 2 of those completions contributed 61 yards to that total.

 

How do you average 2.5 yards per completion on the remaining 9 throws and not throw the ball at or behind the LOS?

[Success]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. 2 of those completions contributed 61 yards to that total.

 

How do you average 2.5 yards per completion on the remaining 9 throws and not throw the ball at or behind the LOS?

You’re moving the goalposts from what he was saying is a lie.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That's a blatant lie. 

 

For the completions I think that is true.  He had 10 completions fro 84 yards, one went for 39, one for 22.   That means 8 went for a total of 23 yards.   And the 22 yarder was not down the field.....some of the incompletions were further down the field and had no chance

[DrDawkinstein]

How can he show progress when he has no one developing him?

 

Daboll's offense cant even line up correctly within the rules we learn in pop warner.

 

Culley is too busy carrying McDs mic in the hopes of parlaying his 20 year unsuccessful WR/QB coaching career into an OC/HC spot somewhere.

 

We had to bring in a lower-mid level veteran QB to "mentor" him because we made it 5 weeks into the season before someone in the FO figured out someone should be coaching the kid.

 

Yet another prospect the Bills franchise will ruin.

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

You’re moving the goalposts from what he was saying is a lie.

 

How?

 

Allen threw the 39 yarder to Benjamin, the 22 yarder to McCoy, he attempted a deep in to Jones, and he threw the deep ball out of bounds to Benjamin.

 

Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm pretty sure everything else was within about 5 yards of the LOS. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by jrober38

[targetweight185]

6 minutes ago, mattynh said:

They showed Allen sitting alone a couple times and even after the TD, he looked down.  I was wondering if he was ok to play but the coaches said no we are going with Peterdude.

 

Nope. Allen was injured. They showed him on the sideline, high fiving his teammates, trying to keep everyone pumped.

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

How?

 

Allen threw the 39 yarder to Benjamin, the 22nd yarded to McCoy, he attempted a deep in to Jones, and he threw the deep ball out of bounds to Benjamin.

 

Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm pretty sure everything else was within about 5 yards of the LOS. 

 

Makin a lot of noise.      Making a lot of noise 

 

You gonna eat yo cornbread 

[Rocbillsfan1]

4 hours ago, Fred Clause said:

Yet he is better than anything in our roster, so your point is foolish, nice try though...

The point isn’t about comparing him to our wrs but to act like Arizona is stacked with amazing wrs is pretty laughable. 

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

For the completions I think that is true.  He had 10 completions fro 84 yards, one went for 39, one for 22.   That means 8 went for a total of 23 yards.   And the 22 yarder was not down the field.....some of the incompletions were further down the field and had no chance

He said passes I thought. He threw three deep to Benjamin, one thrown away on purpose, one great pass caught, one great pass caught and called back. He threw a ball on third and long to Zay that was dropped. One of the dart completions to Clay was longer than five yards. 

 

[ShakAttack]

I was disgusted when we drafted Allen over Rosen and I’m not sure if he will ever be able to grow enough to be a solid nfl qb, but I will say this... there has definitely been some signs of growth since the Green Bay game. It has been coming little by little but it has been progress nonetheless. We have been up against a lot of relatively strong defenses too. This is why I really hope he is good to go against the Colts because everyone scores on the Colts so I expect to see his own performance improve when his competition is not as strong. If he were to take a step back against a Colts defense, that’s when I would be feeling sick to my stomach 

[Matt_In_NH]

6 minutes ago, targetweight said:

 

Nope. Allen was injured. They showed him on the sideline, high fiving his teammates, trying to keep everyone pumped.

Nope he was sitting on the bench emotionless after the TD.  Other times he was high fiving teammates.   

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He said passes I thought. He threw three deep to Benjamin, one thrown away on purpose, one great pass caught, one great pass caught and called back. He threw a ball on third and long to Zay that was dropped. One of the dart completions to Clay was longer than five yards. 

 

Just because a pass has a good result does not make it a great pass or read by the QB.  The one called back was out of structure and definitely showed the arm but I would not call that one great.  The 39 yarder that counted was a nice pass for sure.  Longer than 5 yards, like 6 or 7?  He had some RAC....regardless it was routine.  I dont remember Zay dropping one but I believe you.

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Nope he was sitting on the bench emotionless after the TD.  Other times he was high fiving teammates.   

Just because a pass has a good result does not make it a great pass or read by the QB.  The one called back was out of structure and definitely showed the arm but I would not call that one great.  The 39 yarder that counted was a nice pass for sure.  Longer than 5 yards, like 6 or 7?  He had some RAC....regardless it was routine.  I dont remember Zay dropping one but I believe you.

That was a great play and pass. Period. 

[targetweight185]

4 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Nope he was sitting on the bench emotionless after the TD.  Other times he was high fiving teammates.   

 

To accuse JA of being a bad teammate is blasphemous. His teammates love him.

 

You know who has a bad personality? Josh Rosen. And he's also an atheist.

[Matt_In_NH]

Just now, targetweight said:

 

To accuse JA of being a bad teammate is blasphemous. His teammates love him.

 

You know who has a bad personality? Josh Rosen. And he's also an atheist.

I didn’t do that.  Reread what I wrote.   I have it on dvr.   He just sat there with no emotion when the camera went to him after the td to Jones.  

[oldmanfan]

Anyone with an objective view of this game saw progress from Allen.  He may or may not be the guy long term,  but if you watched today and claim he showed no progress you are simply biased against him.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That was a great play and pass. Period. 

A good result is great for the Team but a great result does not mean everyone made the right decsions.  

[VW82]

Bills media reported that Kelvin refused to work out with Josh pregame when Allen asked him to work on routes/throws with him. Unreal. That obviously looks terrible for KB but you have to wonder if Josh has already lost the confidence of his receiving core. Those guys aren't the most talented bunch but their QB is definitely making them look a lot worse than they are. For someone like Benjamin who's in a contract year that's probably tough to take. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by VW82

[djdaddykool]

6 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He’s certainly not going to develop under this staff

That is the crux of the problem.

He should NEVER be starting this soon. It shows how deer in the headlights he is.

They need to have him work with some QB gurus as whatever is happening now is clearly not working.

We have seen this play too many times before with past QB picks.

Too bad, as I like the kid and his attitude.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

A good result is great for the Team but a great result does not mean everyone made the right decsions.  

Of course. But on two separate plays, Allen threw it down the field 30-40 yards right on the money and the WR caught it. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Kelly the Dog

[John from Riverside]

Just now, VW82 said:

Bills media reported that Kelvin wouldn't work out with Josh pregame when Allen asked him to work on routes/throws with him. Unreal. That obviously looks terrible for KB but you have to wonder if Josh has already lost the confidence of his receiving core. Those guys aren't the most talented bunch but their QB is definitely making them looks worse than they are. For someone like Benjamin who's in a contract year that's probably tough to take. 

LOL.....just lol...do you really believe your own bull ****?

 

[jrober38]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Anyone with an objective view of this game saw progress from Allen.  He may or may not be the guy long term,  but if you watched today and claim he showed no progress you are simply biased against him.

 

I'm sorry but I didn't see it.

 

He was 10 of 17 for 84 yards and put 6 points on the board through almost 3 quarters of play. He also got sacked twice for a loss of 16 yards. 

 

This is inept offensive production. We just can't pass the football like 90% of the teams in the NFL. 

 

I wasn't expecting a star QB off the get go, but this is the worst offense I've ever witnessed in my life as a Bills fan. 

[Wayne Arnold]

Just now, mattynh said:

I didn’t do that.  Reread what I wrote.   I have it on dvr.   He just sat there with no emotion when the camera went to him after the td to Jones.  

 

Could have been the fact that he was in excruciating pain at the time. Apparently he should have been doing incessant Tiger fist pumps with his bad elbow?

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, djdaddykool said:

That is the crux of the problem.

He should NEVER be starting this soon. It shows how deer in the headlights he is.

They need to have him work with some QB gurus as whatever is happening now is clearly not working.

We have seen this play too many times before with past QB picks.

Too bad, as I like the kid and his attitude.

 

 

Wow!  I've never ignored someone only 9 minutes after they signed up!

 

A new personal best!    Woo hoo!!!

 

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Lurker

[Wayne Arnold]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I'm sorry but I didn't see it.

 

He was 10 of 17 for 84 yards and put 6 points on the board through almost 3 quarters of play. He also got sacked twice for a loss of 16 yards. 

 

This is inept offensive production. We just can't pass the football like 90% of the teams in the NFL. 

 

I wasn't expecting a star QB off the get go, but this is the worst offense I've ever witnessed in my life as a Bills fan. 

 

It's a team sport, rober.

[Johnnycage46]

2 fouls...but were there 2 flags?  Home cookin

[Wayne Arnold]

This Brady fella doesn't have what it takes to succeed in this league. Should we pick him up when the Pats release him this week?

 

 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

It's a team sport, rober.

 

Sure, but the QB is the most important player on the offense and our offense is the worst in the league. 

 

The offense needs better players at a variety of positions for sure, but I don't think it's any surprise that we're last in pass yards, last in scoring and last in QB Rating.

[VW82]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm sorry but I didn't see it.

 

He was 10 of 17 for 84 yards and put 6 points on the board through almost 3 quarters of play. He also got sacked twice for a loss of 16 yards. 

 

This is inept offensive production. We just can't pass the football like 90% of the teams in the NFL. 

 

I wasn't expecting a star QB off the get go, but this is the worst offense I've ever witnessed in my life as a Bills fan. 

 

I didn't see improvement either. Ask yourself this: how many of Allen's completions today came in the pocket? He seems to only be able to make a play once the play breaks down, and frequently he's just taking off and running before there's any real pressure. He's actually gone backwards with his pocket presence. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by VW82

[djdaddykool]

3 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Wow!  I've never ignored someone after only 9 minutes!

 

A new personal best!    Woo hoo!!!

I feel honored.

SO what is your solution? Inquiring minds want to know.

But yeah, i'm on ignore.

[Matt_In_NH]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Could have been the fact that he was in excruciating pain at the time. Apparently he should have been doing incessant Tiger fist pumps with his bad elbow?

No he was not in pain