LSHMEAB Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The problem with "not wanting to show up" is that many would be students in those areas come from a culture which not only doesn't place a premium on education, but in many cases actually lionizes ignorance, taking open pride in what they don't know. There is no amount of glitter and gold on a school house which can replace parents active and involved in a child's education. Which is why I didn't dismiss that point out of hand. Fixing a culture that lionizes ignorance is above anyone's pay grade. I have seen improvements in that regard over the past two decades, but it's painfully slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LSHMEAB Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I don't think you'll find schools in such poor condition kids can't learn well. I have close friends who are teachers in low income Chicago areas. The stories they tell are incredible in terms of the total lack of effort and respect shown to teachers by students in these areas. There are stories every week about this. We're talking brutal acts of teacher disrespect and near zero effort on the part of many of the students. Where the schools get some share of the blame IMO is due to district-wide policies that won't allow teachers and administrators to discipline the kids or require that homework is done or give them failing grades. They simply move the kids along from year to year and allow them to behave horribly and rarely with discipline. I ref high school basketball games in Las Vegas. There are schools in "NorthTown" that make prisons look like the Ritz. Whether or not structural improvements would lead to better outcomes is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I ref high school basketball games in Las Vegas. There are schools in "NorthTown" that make prisons look like the Ritz. Whether or not structural improvements would lead to better outcomes is debatable. I really enjoy high school basketball. You probably see a lot of great games and some really talented kids. Off topic but I saw a high school game here several years ago that featured Ryan Boatright, Frank Kaminsky, Ben Sobolewski and Bobby Wehrli all in one game - all pro and/or D1 players. It was quite a show. Edited October 19, 2018 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 12:47 PM, LSHMEAB said: This is a post I can respect. I think when you talk about a city like Newark, ANY improvement should be lauded. It's admittedly difficult to pinpoint major initiatives that lead to Newark becoming some kind of utopia. There was the well publicized 100 million dollar investment into education funded by Zuckerberg with the "Foundation for Newark's Future." It lead to improvements in english, but not math. Zuckerberg has publicly lamented the effort, but it was worth a shot. He's also a proponent of school choice and actually worked with Betsy Devos if I remember correctly. I tend to respect pols willing to go against the prevailing winds in their own party. There's the prisoner re-entry program "Newark Now" that helped thousands of ex-offenders reintegrate into society. What's the alternative? Far too many felons can't gain employment and the result is recidivism which could affect YOUR family. The city's property taxes decreased 13% due to the budget you referenced. Two new hotels were built in downtown Newark for the first time in 40 years! That's just sad actually. For the first time since the 1960's, the population of Newark actually INCREASED during his run as mayor. Look, Newark is a disgusting place so it's only fair to judge his mayoral tenure on a curve. I tend to think it was positive. Uh, the myth felons can't get a job is one of the greatest lies out there, hoss. The offender training and re-entry ***** is just that. Nothing more than a lip service facility that operates like a job link to send offenders to low income jobs where they have to work to get ahead. Edited October 19, 2018 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I really enjoy high school basketball. You probably see a lot of great games and some really talented kids. Off topic but I saw a high school game here several years ago that featured Ryan Boatright, Frank Kaminsky, Ben Sobolewski and Bobby Wehrli all in one game - all pro and/or D1 players. It was quite a show. Also off topic; I'm a die hard Michigan BASKETBALL fan so Frank Kaminsky was naturally one of my least favorite collegiate players of all time. That's a ton of talent on one high school court! Never done a game that would approach that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: I ref high school basketball games in Las Vegas. There are schools in "NorthTown" that make prisons look like the Ritz. Whether or not structural improvements would lead to better outcomes is debatable. Is there air conditioning in the desert summer? Are the bathrooms clean? Are the locker rooms disgusting? Classrooms smelly? Hallways unsafe? Caferia disgusting? All of that plays a role. All of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: Is there air conditioning in the desert summer? Are the bathrooms clean? Are the locker rooms disgusting? Classrooms smelly? Hallways unsafe? Caferia disgusting? All of that plays a role. All of it. They literally couldn't open the schools without air conditioning in May, June, or September, so even the bad ones have that. As far as the other criteria, it's all trash. All of it. While I don't disagree with the premise that parents are failing their kids, I think about those that could possibly thrive if the conditions weren't so bad. The whole teacher salary argument doesn't appeal to me. You shouldn't go into primary or secondary education if you want to get rich. Classroom size has proven to be a myth. Countries that far outpace us in education don't necessarily have smaller classes. A modest investment in infrastructure seems like a practical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: A modest investment in infrastructure seems like a practical one. You're not going to get a modest infrastructure investment until the teacher unions are gone because the unions rule the school. Edited October 19, 2018 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: They literally couldn't open the schools without air conditioning in May, June, or September, so even the bad ones have that. As far as the other criteria, it's all trash. All of it. While I don't disagree with the premise that parents are failing their kids, I think about those that could possibly thrive if the conditions weren't so bad. The whole teacher salary argument doesn't appeal to me. You shouldn't go into primary or secondary education if you want to get rich. Classroom size has proven to be a myth. Countries that far outpace us in education don't necessarily have smaller classes. A modest investment in infrastructure seems like a practical one. You don't throw good money after bad. Change the culture surrounding education in these communities so that the overwhelming majority of the parents are involved and clamoring for upgraded infrastructure, and we can have that conversation. Prove to me first that the money won't be wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You don't throw good money after bad. Change the culture surrounding education in these communities so that the overwhelming majority of the parents are involved and clamoring for upgraded infrastructure, and we can have that conversation. Prove to me first that the money won't be wasted. hey now... that would be setting precedent for all the other wasteful .gov programs. can't have that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Et tu, Spartacus? You can read it on the google drive. (Does #metoo care about gay men also?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 1:44 PM, LSHMEAB said: I don't entirely buy that argument, although it has some merit. Have you been to schools in low income urban areas? The dilapidation alone make it a less than ideal situation for education. I don't blame kids for not wanting to show up. They could at the very least invest in the infrastructure. Maybe they'd be crap again in 10 years, but a just society makes the effort. One wonders how this nation and indeed the entire western world was able to advance to the greatness that it is when our ancestors had to get their learning from a single teacher in one-room school houses made of non-insulated wooden walls with a pot bellied Franklin stove to keep the students warm in the winter. ***** that entitlement attitude that you can’t learn unless you’re in a Beaux Art palace like the NY Public library. I went to school in a building that was built by the WPA. It had radiators for heat and no stalls in the bathrooms. And, we swam in the nude in gym class. (Simmer down Boyst and BLarge) Suck my nuts if you need a multimillion dollar palace to learn how to succeed in life in America. Motivation is the critical component to success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: One wonders how this nation and indeed the entire western world was able to advance to the greatness that it is when our ancestors had to get their learning from a single teacher in one-room school houses made of non-insulated wooden walls with a pot bellied Franklin stove to keep the students warm in the winter. ***** that entitlement attitude that you can’t learn unless you’re in a Beaux Art palace like the NY Public library. I went to school in a building that was built by the WPA. It had radiators for heat and no stalls in the bathrooms. And, we swam in the nude in gym class. (Simmer down Boyst and BLarge) Suck my nuts if you need a multimillion dollar palace to learn how to succeed in life in America. Motivation is the critical component to success. Yeah we swam nude too. Was that a Buffalo thing? I've told many friends not from Buffalo about that and they all think it's pretty ridick-ulous. Nobody I know not from Buffalo did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 This will be ignored. Supplement to Buffalo_Gals post. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/breaking-man-steps-forward-with-sexual-assault-allegations-against-sen-cory-booker-with-lawyer-response-to-gateway-pundit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: This will be ignored. Supplement to Buffalo_Gals post. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/breaking-man-steps-forward-with-sexual-assault-allegations-against-sen-cory-booker-with-lawyer-response-to-gateway-pundit/ The Democrats will want indisputable physical evidence, backed by an affidavit from God, notarized by Jesus Christ, but only after the existence of God is proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Koko78 said: The Democrats will want indisputable physical evidence, backed by an affidavit from God, notarized by Jesus Christ, but only after the existence of God is proven. Democrats have already set the precedent that accusations matter more than proof. Accusations like this against a sitting Senator merits an inquiry by the Senate Ethics Committee But don't expect to hear anything soon, too close to the election. If the Democrats take the Senate, these allegations will vanish like a fart in the wind If the Republicans keep the Senate, Cocaine Mitch is going to hold this in his pocket and slow roll Booker's re-election in 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Democrats have already set the precedent that accusations matter more than proof. Accusations like this against a sitting Senator merits an inquiry by the Senate Ethics Committee But don't expect to hear anything soon, too close to the election. If the Democrats take the Senate, these allegations will vanish like a fart in the wind If the Republicans keep the Senate, Cocaine Mitch is going to hold this in his pocket and slow roll Booker's re-election in 2020 Yes, allegations matter more than proof - but only if you're a Republican. Look at Ellison, for example. There's actual proof that he beats his women, but it's swept under the carpet by their media allies. Can't have the #2 guy at the DNC going down, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Koko78 said: Yes, allegations matter more than proof - but only if you're a Republican. Look at Ellison, for example. There's actual proof that he beats his women, but it's swept under the carpet by their media allies. Can't have the #2 guy at the DNC going down, after all. True, the media does their best to sweep accusations against Democrats under the rug. But the media does not control the Senate Ethics Committee. If Cocaine Mitch calls an inquiry, these allegations become a part of the Senate record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Uncle Joe's crowd didn't break 200 people. 45's crowd was much bigger. It won't be Joe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: What an attention-seeking goof. He truly is an ambulance chaser. He won't last past the first debate - if they'll even let him in the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Nanker said: One wonders how this nation and indeed the entire western world was able to advance to the greatness that it is when our ancestors had to get their learning from a single teacher in one-room school houses made of non-insulated wooden walls with a pot bellied Franklin stove to keep the students warm in the winter. ***** that entitlement attitude that you can’t learn unless you’re in a Beaux Art palace like the NY Public library. I went to school in a building that was built by the WPA. It had radiators for heat and no stalls in the bathrooms. And, we swam in the nude in gym class. (Simmer down Boyst and BLarge) Suck my nuts if you need a multimillion dollar palace to learn how to succeed in life in America. Motivation is the critical component to success. Send your kids to the kind of schools I'm talking about and we'll see how well they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Send your kids to the kind of schools I'm talking about and we'll see how well they do. Kids today act like wild animals. Especially the inner city schools were the parents are not a good role model for the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, westside said: Kids today act like wild animals. Especially the inner city schools were the parents are not a good role model for the kids. I proposed modest investments in the infrastructure of urban schools that make prisons look like the Ritz. He stated that it matters not the condition of the school. If that's the case, he should be out there fighting tooth and nail against improvements to the schools his children attend. Waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: I proposed modest investments in the infrastructure of urban schools that make prisons look like the Ritz. He stated that it matters not the condition of the school. If that's the case, he should be out there fighting tooth and nail against improvements to the schools his children attend. Waste of money. Throwing money at the schools doesn't work. The problem is how do you get kid's to want to learn? I've always thought that the kids who are the trouble makers, should be taken out of the school system and put into the military, were they can learn discipline and get there GED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Send your kids to the kind of schools I'm talking about and we'll see how well they do. It's the cultures of the people attending the schools, not the schools themselves, which amounts for the majority of the descrepancy. The infrasrtucture is not the reason I'd never send my kids to one of those school. The people who attend them, and the lack of values their families impart on them are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: I proposed modest investments in the infrastructure of urban schools that make prisons look like the Ritz. He stated that it matters not the condition of the school. If that's the case, he should be out there fighting tooth and nail against improvements to the schools his children attend. Waste of money. Blow me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: Blow me. Who do you think you are, Corey Booker? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It's the cultures of the people attending the schools, not the schools themselves, which amounts for the majority of the descrepancy. The infrasrtucture is not the reason I'd never send my kids to one of those school. The people who attend them, and the lack of values their families impart on them are. Fair. 2 hours ago, Nanker said: Blow me. I don't swing that way bro. Try Craigslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Fair. I don't swing that way bro. Try Craigslist. Then don't tell me what I should or should not be doing. ***** you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Nanker said: Then don't tell me what I should or should not be doing. ***** you. Craigslist bro. Let me leave this alone as it was a rough afternoon for all Bills fans. Enjoy the rest of your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Avenatti just got evicted. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Avenatti just got evicted. Wow, for a guy who claims he's won a billion dollars in judgments, he sure can't seem to pay his bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Avenatti just got evicted. Seems like the Stormy case isn't bearing as much fruit as expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Avenatti just got evicted. Sorry for replicating this in the porn thread. We should just have a thread called "Annoying Douchenozzles" and post stuff like this in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 15 alt-right TBDers arguing over who the Democratic Primary winner will be - This thread was a Twilight Zone episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 PeaceOut/Gary/BenFranklin is back with another screen name Reminder: Peace Out was created because he was leaving the board. Months and months ago. Liars just can't help lying. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: PeaceOut/Gary/BenFranklin is back with another screen name Reminder: Peace Out was created because he was leaving the board. Months and months ago. Liars just can't help lying. He gets extra points for labeling libertarians, traditional conservatives, and classical liberals as "alt-right". Case in point as to why the NPC meme has been so effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: He gets extra points for labeling libertarians, traditional conservatives, and classical liberals as "alt-right". Case in point as to why the NPC meme has been so effective. It's fantastic comedy. And he still won't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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